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On August 11 2012 13:48 Carson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 13:40 Zahir wrote:On August 11 2012 13:33 Carson wrote:People seem to act like this only happens in shows like 24Obviously the governments that are sworn to protect their people from any threat "both foreign and domestic" are going to be eager to ensure that they aren't caught unawares by a plot that could be averted by thorough surveillance. I know many would say that security isn't worth their freedom (yadda yadda ben franklin), but it's easy to say that on this side of an attack. The funny thing is, it's outrage now, but if there was an attack, those same people would blame the government for not taking necessary steps to protect them. The problem is they set it up in secret using a bunch of corporations and also giving data to other random corporations, and there was no vote, no discourse... And the company who owns it is filled with ex government spooks not exactly known for refraining from drugging kidnapping blackmailing assassinating, and lately imprisoning and torturing. Being a us citizen has been no defense against the agencies in the past. I can dig it. However, my question is: is it better for these quasi-government relatively unaccountable agencies to be quietly used when it is deemed necessary, or should the nasty business of using assassination and torture be public knowledge?
Ummm... I'd have to think on that. I recognize sometimes nasty things need to be done quietly. I think public surveillance is not one of those things. I outlined what I think would be a sensible surveillance policy in an earlier post, basically, see the EUs proposed version of this.
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Holy shit. Big Brother truly is watching you...
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There isnt much to actually say here. Most Americans are against it for obvious reasons. Im thankful we have wikileaks and good sleuthing. And that shit like this doesnt go unnoticed. Or not forever anyway.
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On August 11 2012 13:39 mikell wrote:
The US is so totalitarian and yet the people do not care. This is something people should care about, but nobody will, because the majority will not be aware of it, even if it is posted all over the internet. If you speak up, they are going to listen, because they can't ignore you. Unfortunately, people do nothing.
Definition of totalitarianism:
"Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[1] Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media (Fox), a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism (people in America idealize leaders), control over the economy (yep), regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance (LOL), and widespread use of terror." (Wikipedia)
The US is not totalitarian, and I'm not saying that because I disagree but because as a political science masters student, I must tell you that you're essentially butchering a term that we need to actually use for real things. Just because some of that definition seems to apply to the US doesn't mean that the US is totalitarian. Totalitarianism is essentially big-time authoritarianism - and at best you can argue that the US is fairly authoritarian for a democracy.
1- Totalitarian regimes stay in power. The US has elections. Even though people argue that all parties are the same and that some elections are rigged, or that the corporations have all the power, this is only partially true. Different governments do have different tendencies - and those tendencies are not necessarily all driven by corporate greed. People have adopted this purely pessimistic view of US politics because frankly yes shit's bad, but there are still good people out there.
2- The US does not strive to "regulate very aspect of public and private life wherever possible". It does however try to regulate many aspects of public and private life - like ALL countries. And it's getting better. It's loosening up, getting less restrictive.
3- Free press in the US. The fact that the Republicans essentially drive Fox is not a symptom of totalitarianism. It's corruption perhaps, and bad journalism definitely.
4- "A single party" <- the US has multiple political parties
5- Cult of personality is more than fanboyism. True cult of personality is having Mao Zedong's face in every house and every building. Or Kim Jong Il's. Is Quebec totalitarian because some people have the hots for the leaders of our political parties?
6- The US government doesn't have "control over the economy". Corporations and the people behind them do. The US has SOME control over the economy - the government of every country does.
7- Freedom of speech is not perfectly respected in the US but it's doing good.
8- Mass surveillance, fine, that's bad.
9- Widespread use of terror, well, kind of - but I guess that's normal-ish considering.
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"Totalitarian regimes stay in power. The US has elections. Even though people argue that all parties are the same and that some elections are rigged, or that the corporations have all the power, this is only partially true. Different governments do have different tendencies."
Orly? You prefer the left dick or the right to fuck you in the ass, they are just figure heads... Anyone who still believes in politics is either naive or stupid.
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On August 11 2012 14:05 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
"Totalitarian regimes stay in power. The US has elections. Even though people argue that all parties are the same and that some elections are rigged, or that the corporations have all the power, this is only partially true. Different governments do have different tendencies."
Orly? You prefer the left dick or the right to fuck you in the ass, they are just figure heads... Anyone who still believes in politics is either naive or stupid.
That's an oversimplification. I view it as the easy way out... Governments too corrupt so there's no reason to go out and vote. In reality if one of our two parties wins a disproportionate amount of elections for 20 odd years then both parties will have moved left, or right, of where they were originally. Has happened several times in our history with an unpopular party dissolving and an overly popular one splintering into radical and moderate wings.
It's our demographics that suck, as much as our political candidates. Too much apathy, materialism and sheer spoiledness overwhelming the intelligence of the few.
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On August 11 2012 14:05 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
"Totalitarian regimes stay in power. The US has elections. Even though people argue that all parties are the same and that some elections are rigged, or that the corporations have all the power, this is only partially true. Different governments do have different tendencies."
Orly? You prefer the left dick or the right to fuck you in the ass, they are just figure heads... Anyone who still believes in politics is either naive or stupid.
I think it's strange that I'm getting called "naive or stupid" for being in the incredibly complex "grey area" of politics that common folks and simpletons view in black and white.
Some people are completely ignorant of the partially corrupt and incompetent governments that run our countries, and so they vote with their delusions that everything will change for the better overnight. That's naivety.
On the other hand you have people who know about the failings of the partially corrupt and incompetent governments that run, and so they come up with elaborate stories about how the big bad politicians are out to get us - all of them. That's another kind of naivety from you "NeMeSiS3". You've chosen not to blindly trust the government - good for you. Instead, you blindly your own imagination, or you trust pessimists who blow their negativity toward the government out of proportions, and come up with a view of the government that's much worse than the reality of things.
Your seem to have an extremely narrow-minded view of the "left dick" and the "right dick". Maybe it's because you're still young or somehow you've never actually had any financial responsibilities in your life, and hell, maybe you've never bothered to look into it and that's why you chose to despise "the authority" as a whole instead of singling out the parts that are bad (and I know, there are a lot of bad parts).
So here's what I'm trying to say. At least in Canada and in the US, there are actual tangible changes that happen when the composition of the federal government changes. Most obvious examples are your taxes. The budgets also are sometimes WILDLY different and the way that public funds are spent varies hugely. But you don't see that from your basement. Moving billions of dollars from one sector of the economy to another actually has a very significant impact on, for instance, what kind of equipment hospitals are able to buy, what kind of care people are able to get in retirement homes, how easily people can get on social security and for what reasons, and how much you get. As an everyday worker, you may not notice that you've been able to get a 15 cents an hour raise because of your government. You may not notice that your dollars are worth and your buying power increase by 2% more because your country has doing good in its imports and exports.
Of course, some things never change, no matter who's in charge. Some of your money will be lost to corruption, some of it will get lost or will be spent highly inefficiently because of the overly complex bureaucratic system that's all gooped up with bullshit. Perhpas one party is better than the other at handling that. These problems exist because the government, like the rest of the population, has some dishonest and incompetent people. It's not all bad - look at what we have. Look what we can do. There are difference between the left dick and the right dick. One is more competent, one is less corrupt - they have different ideals, and will distribute the public funds differently - perhaps one party fits your morals better than the other. I'm not telling you to expect everything to abruptly get better, they're people who work with what they got.
It always pains me to see the kids talking about how everything sucks rather than really seriously looking at the situation, picking it apart and figuring out really what sucks and what doesn't. Your dislike of government is understandable, but don't limit yourself to a childish binary view of a truly complex system.
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On August 11 2012 13:51 Soulstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 13:39 mikell wrote:
The US is so totalitarian and yet the people do not care. This is something people should care about, but nobody will, because the majority will not be aware of it, even if it is posted all over the internet. If you speak up, they are going to listen, because they can't ignore you. Unfortunately, people do nothing.
Definition of totalitarianism:
"Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[1] Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media (Fox), a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism (people in America idealize leaders), control over the economy (yep), regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance (LOL), and widespread use of terror." (Wikipedia) And if you speak out against the majority, you will be ostracized *by not only the government but the people too*, this thread has plenty of examples of this perhaps its because if they side with the majority they themselves cant be singled out, until its too late. And the worst part is the people literally cheer this behavior on.
This thread has plenty examples of what now? You paranoid trying-way-too-hard-to-be-cool hypercynics are the vast majority in this thread lol.
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On August 11 2012 14:32 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:05 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
"Totalitarian regimes stay in power. The US has elections. Even though people argue that all parties are the same and that some elections are rigged, or that the corporations have all the power, this is only partially true. Different governments do have different tendencies."
Orly? You prefer the left dick or the right to fuck you in the ass, they are just figure heads... Anyone who still believes in politics is either naive or stupid. I think it's strange that I'm getting called "naive or stupid" for being in the incredibly complex "grey area" of politics that common folks and simpletons view in black and white. Some people are completely ignorant of the partially corrupt and incompetent governments that run our countries, and so they vote with their delusions that everything will change for the better overnight. That's naivety. On the other hand you have people who know about the failings of the partially corrupt and incompetent governments that run, and so they come up with elaborate stories about how the big bad politicians are out to get us - all of them. That's another kind of naivety from you "NeMeSiS3". You've chosen not to blindly trust the government - good for you. Instead, you blindly your own imagination, or you trust pessimists who blow their negativity toward the government out of proportions, and come up with a view of the government that's much worse than the reality of things. Your seem to have an extremely narrow-minded view of the "left dick" and the "right dick". Maybe it's because you're still young or somehow you've never actually had any financial responsibilities in your life, and hell, maybe you've never bothered to look into it and that's why you chose to despise "the authority" as a whole instead of singling out the parts that are bad (and I know, there are a lot of bad parts). So here's what I'm trying to say. At least in Canada and in the US, there are actual tangible changes that happen when the composition of the federal government changes. Most obvious examples are your taxes. The budgets also are sometimes WILDLY different and the way that public funds are spent varies hugely. But you don't see that from your basement.Of course, some things never change, no matter who's in charge. Some of your money will be lost to corruption, some of it will get lost or will be spent highly inefficiently because of the overly complex bureaucratic system that's all gooped up with bullshit. Perhpas one party is better than the other at handling that. These problems exist because the government, like the rest of the population, has some dishonest and incompetent people. It's not all bad - look at what we have. Look what we can do. It always pains me to see the kids talking about how everything sucks rather than really seriously looking at the situation, picking it apart and figuring out really what sucks and what doesn't. Your dislike of government is understandable, but don't limit yourself to a childish binary view of a truly complex system.
"On the other hand you have people who know about the failings of the partially corrupt and incompetent governments that run, and so they come up with elaborate stories about how the big bad politicians are out to get us - all of them. "
Actually, I have never once said they're quote "out to get us" in fact I know many politicians and frankly that's far from it, I merely stated that whether you vote left or right "politics" has forgotten its role as public servant and now frankly is more of a joke, do I vote? Yes, might as well cast the ballot with everyone else but do I care whether Stephen Harper or some other idiot gets it? Not quite.
I am the type of person who looks at the fine print, and what I've noticed through years of being fucked over is that the government is supporting one thing alone, its own interests. Now you might say "well the government is for the people! That's YOUR interests you silly fuck" but that's not the case, as I put out they are not public servants anymore but people who rose to power out of ambition, not service. (obviously not all of them, but if you're moving up in the chain you are going to be the most ambitous and do the most things the higher ups want) I mean fuck, lobbying? That is pure bribing allowed for politics.
So if you want to generalize me, generalize me as a person who decides not to blindly follow the government or it's comments since in the past (Opera house germany, gulf of tolken etc) there have been so many lies told to make the public think one way but move the other that it isn't worth it. I also don't think government is "out to get you" but I do think it is fine with keeping things the way they are, and I disagree with how things "are" so I prefer to diverge from the path and try out new ideas.
On August 11 2012 14:37 Blennd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 13:51 Soulstice wrote:On August 11 2012 13:39 mikell wrote:
The US is so totalitarian and yet the people do not care. This is something people should care about, but nobody will, because the majority will not be aware of it, even if it is posted all over the internet. If you speak up, they are going to listen, because they can't ignore you. Unfortunately, people do nothing.
Definition of totalitarianism:
"Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[1] Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media (Fox), a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism (people in America idealize leaders), control over the economy (yep), regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance (LOL), and widespread use of terror." (Wikipedia) And if you speak out against the majority, you will be ostracized *by not only the government but the people too*, this thread has plenty of examples of this perhaps its because if they side with the majority they themselves cant be singled out, until its too late. And the worst part is the people literally cheer this behavior on. This thread has plenty examples of what now? You paranoid trying-way-too-hard-to-be-cool hypercynics are the vast majority in this thread lol.
Sorry, when did not wanting my position known at all times wherever I might roam = to "paranoid trying-way-too-hard-to-be-cool hypercynics". Privacy is not a privilege and should be a right, just like freedom of speech etc. Not strapped with a GPS every time I decide to move in public. Like I've said before, people prefer security over freedom and well, if that's what you want then you have it, document your every move and send it off to Washington, but leave me and my actions alone. I guess I'm extremely cynical for wanting that^^
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Well we have flying cars and cyborgs, so I guess we get the dystopian part of living in the future too.
Despite my joking between this and surveillance drones the US is turning into a very scary place to be.
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What happens when all that information is used against you?
What happens when you protest any government action and these tools are used against you?
Who actually believes the war on terror?
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Looks like a typical overreaction to me. You guys are really giving the US government too much credit.
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This seems like bullshit, it seems like a desperation ploy by Wikileaks to invigorate its users more then anything else. Theres no actual information anywhere that I can find, no leaked documents anywhere at all, and with something this big you would send it to every fucking person ever and start up the revolution. Theres even a website for trapwire for fucks sake. This reminds me alot of War of the World's and when it first aired on radio. When the crazy conspiracy fucks on China daily don't even touch it..
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On August 11 2012 14:41 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:32 Djzapz wrote:On August 11 2012 14:05 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
"Totalitarian regimes stay in power. The US has elections. Even though people argue that all parties are the same and that some elections are rigged, or that the corporations have all the power, this is only partially true. Different governments do have different tendencies."
Orly? You prefer the left dick or the right to fuck you in the ass, they are just figure heads... Anyone who still believes in politics is either naive or stupid. I think it's strange that I'm getting called "naive or stupid" for being in the incredibly complex "grey area" of politics that common folks and simpletons view in black and white. Some people are completely ignorant of the partially corrupt and incompetent governments that run our countries, and so they vote with their delusions that everything will change for the better overnight. That's naivety. On the other hand you have people who know about the failings of the partially corrupt and incompetent governments that run, and so they come up with elaborate stories about how the big bad politicians are out to get us - all of them. That's another kind of naivety from you "NeMeSiS3". You've chosen not to blindly trust the government - good for you. Instead, you blindly your own imagination, or you trust pessimists who blow their negativity toward the government out of proportions, and come up with a view of the government that's much worse than the reality of things. Your seem to have an extremely narrow-minded view of the "left dick" and the "right dick". Maybe it's because you're still young or somehow you've never actually had any financial responsibilities in your life, and hell, maybe you've never bothered to look into it and that's why you chose to despise "the authority" as a whole instead of singling out the parts that are bad (and I know, there are a lot of bad parts). So here's what I'm trying to say. At least in Canada and in the US, there are actual tangible changes that happen when the composition of the federal government changes. Most obvious examples are your taxes. The budgets also are sometimes WILDLY different and the way that public funds are spent varies hugely. But you don't see that from your basement.Of course, some things never change, no matter who's in charge. Some of your money will be lost to corruption, some of it will get lost or will be spent highly inefficiently because of the overly complex bureaucratic system that's all gooped up with bullshit. Perhpas one party is better than the other at handling that. These problems exist because the government, like the rest of the population, has some dishonest and incompetent people. It's not all bad - look at what we have. Look what we can do. It always pains me to see the kids talking about how everything sucks rather than really seriously looking at the situation, picking it apart and figuring out really what sucks and what doesn't. Your dislike of government is understandable, but don't limit yourself to a childish binary view of a truly complex system. "On the other hand you have people who know about the failings of the partially corrupt and incompetent governments that run, and so they come up with elaborate stories about how the big bad politicians are out to get us - all of them. " Actually, I have never once said they're quote "out to get us" in fact I know many politicians and frankly that's far from it, I merely stated that whether you vote left or right "politics" has forgotten its role as public servant and now frankly is more of a joke, do I vote? Yes, might as well cast the ballot with everyone else but do I care whether Stephen Harper or some other idiot gets it? Not quite. I am the type of person who looks at the fine print, and what I've noticed through years of being fucked over is that the government is supporting one thing alone, its own interests. Now you might say "well the government is for the people! That's YOUR interests you silly fuck" but that's not the case, as I put out they are not public servants anymore but people who rose to power out of ambition, not service. (obviously not all of them, but if you're moving up in the chain you are going to be the most ambitous and do the most things the higher ups want) I mean fuck, lobbying? That is pure bribing allowed for politics. So if you want to generalize me, generalize me as a person who decides not to blindly follow the government or it's comments since in the past (Opera house germany, gulf of tolken etc) there have been so many lies told to make the public think one way but move the other that it isn't worth it. I also don't think government is "out to get you" but I do think it is fine with keeping things the way they are, and I disagree with how things "are" so I prefer to diverge from the path and try out new ideas.
I disagree that politicians have forgotten their role have public servants. There have always been bad and stupid people, we still have them. Regardless of that, here we are, one of the richest countries in the most prosperous times our species has ever known, no contest. We're more materialistic than ever, and that's nice for us because we have the most money we've ever had. Our life expectancy is extremely high, and every couple of months someone comes up with something that makes our lives better and easier to be lazy at.
And now you're that you have this little faith in the entire regime because "the government is the people" is a bit of a stretch?
There haven't been massive swings in the governments integrity and competence. Many people suck, and governments are made out of many people, many of which suck. We can say that about any specific group of people. Why not people from Montreal - or hell, why not my family, or yours!
So here's what we've got. A government that's as corrupt and inefficient as ever - and if we keep working at it, we'll keep it reasonably clean and reasonably efficient, while never elevating it to any sort of "divinity", because no matter what, people will always do things that'll make you ask what the fuck is going on.
Edit: If this thread's OP is true though, that's the government doing some really bad things. But they probably think they're doing good... It's that whole thing again.
Anyway going to bed, cheers.
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On August 11 2012 14:54 KnightwhoSaysNI wrote:
This seems like bullshit, it seems like a desperation ploy by Wikileaks to invigorate its users more then anything else. Theres no actual information anywhere that I can find, no leaked documents anywhere at all, and with something this big you would send it to every fucking person ever and start up the revolution. Theres even a website for trapwire for fucks sake. This reminds me alot of War of the World's and when it first aired on radio. When the crazy conspiracy fucks on China daily don't even touch it..
Nice of you to post that without reading anything to begin with. If you read the actual website for trapwire you'd see, "TrapWire is a unique, predictive software system designed to detect patterns indicative of terrorist attacks or criminal operations. Utilizing a proprietary, rules-based engine, TrapWire detects, analyzes and alerts on suspicious events as they are collected over periods of time and across multiple locations. Through the systematic capture of these pre-attack indicators, terrorist or criminal surveillance and pre-attack planning operations can be identified -- and appropriate law enforcement counter measures employed ahead of the attack. As such, our clients are provided with the ability to prevent the terrorist or criminal event, rather than simply mitigate damage or loss of life. "
As for the leaked documents that you spent 0 second searching for they are right here.
Here's a fun one, Godfather just called.... he "found" my luggage in CA..... don't want to know how or who died..... But it'll be in the States in a few days! --Lauren Goodrich Director of Analysis Senior Eurasia Analyst STRATFOR T: 512.744.4311 F: 512.744.4334 lauren.goodrich@stratfor.com www.stratfor.com
Another interesting one regarding public policy for Coca-Cola found here
Interesting, thanks Fred.
Fred Burton wrote:
The FBI has a classified investigation on PETA operatives. I'll see what
I can uncover.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From: "scott stewart"
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:01:30 -0400
To: 'bart mongoven'
Subject: RE: Public Policy Question for Coca-Cola
Yeah, I'm not sure how that works now either. Bart, is this something
you guys can still help with?
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From: Anya Alfano [mailto:anya.alfano@stratfor.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:56 AM
To: Fred Burton; scott stewart
Subject: Public Policy Question for Coca-Cola
Coca-Cola just sent me a long list of questions regarding PETA/Animal
Activism and the upcoming Olympics in Vancouver--I've pasted the
questions below. I'm not entirely clear on how much we can task the
public policy group at this point--is there any guidance you can give me
on that front? Coke has asked for a short teleconference with one of
our analysts to discuss this issue--is that something I could ask Kathy,
Bart or Joe to do, or would that be off the table at this point? Stick,
are these questions something that you have a handle on, if we aren't
able to get info from the policy folks?
Any thoughts or guidance would be helpful. Thanks, Anya
Questions---
-- How many PETA supporters are there in Canada?
-- How many of these are inclined toward activism?
-- To what extent will US-based PETA supporters travel to Canada to
support activism?
-- What is PETA's methodology for planning and executing activism?
(Understanding this better would certainly help us to recognize
indicators should they appear.)
-- To what extent is PETA in Canada linked to PETA in the US or
elsewhere?
-- To what extent are the actions of PETA in one country controlled by
an oversight board/governing body?
-- To what extent could non-PETA hangers-on (such as anarchists or ALF
supporters) get involved in any protest activity?
Then again I'm sure you didn't read any of this because anyone who thinks this stuff happens and is true is a "crazy conspiracy fuck"?
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This is absolutely absurd. We don't even have working security cameras in the vast majority of NYCHA houses in New York City. The ones that do work look like shit, and they certainly don't have facial recognition technology.
When it's a humongous uphill battle to get surveillance video of a three-year-old getting shot in the head in a public park, I can safely promise you that there is no quasi-secret government agency monitoring you with sophisticated facial recognition technology as you walk down the street in bumfuck-nowheresville.
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On August 11 2012 15:41 Epithet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:54 KnightwhoSaysNI wrote:
This seems like bullshit, it seems like a desperation ploy by Wikileaks to invigorate its users more then anything else. Theres no actual information anywhere that I can find, no leaked documents anywhere at all, and with something this big you would send it to every fucking person ever and start up the revolution. Theres even a website for trapwire for fucks sake. This reminds me alot of War of the World's and when it first aired on radio. When the crazy conspiracy fucks on China daily don't even touch it.. Nice of you to call people crazy conspiracy fucks without reading anything to begin with. If you read the actual website for trapwire you'd see, Show nested quote +"TrapWire is a unique, predictive software system designed to detect patterns indicative of terrorist attacks or criminal operations. Utilizing a proprietary, rules-based engine, TrapWire detects, analyzes and alerts on suspicious events as they are collected over periods of time and across multiple locations. Through the systematic capture of these pre-attack indicators, terrorist or criminal surveillance and pre-attack planning operations can be identified -- and appropriate law enforcement counter measures employed ahead of the attack. As such, our clients are provided with the ability to prevent the terrorist or criminal event, rather than simply mitigate damage or loss of life. " As for the leaked documents that you spent 0 second searching for they are right here. Here's a fun one, Show nested quote +Godfather just called.... he "found" my luggage in CA..... don't want to know how or who died..... But it'll be in the States in a few days! --Lauren Goodrich Director of Analysis Senior Eurasia Analyst STRATFOR T: 512.744.4311 F: 512.744.4334 lauren.goodrich@stratfor.com www.stratfor.com found here. Here is her Linkedin Profile. Another interesting one regarding public policy for Coca-Cola found hereShow nested quote +Interesting, thanks Fred.
Fred Burton wrote:
The FBI has a classified investigation on PETA operatives. I'll see what
I can uncover.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From: "scott stewart"
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:01:30 -0400
To: 'bart mongoven'
Subject: RE: Public Policy Question for Coca-Cola
Yeah, I'm not sure how that works now either. Bart, is this something
you guys can still help with?
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From: Anya Alfano [mailto:anya.alfano@stratfor.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:56 AM
To: Fred Burton; scott stewart
Subject: Public Policy Question for Coca-Cola
Coca-Cola just sent me a long list of questions regarding PETA/Animal
Activism and the upcoming Olympics in Vancouver--I've pasted the
questions below. I'm not entirely clear on how much we can task the
public policy group at this point--is there any guidance you can give me
on that front? Coke has asked for a short teleconference with one of
our analysts to discuss this issue--is that something I could ask Kathy,
Bart or Joe to do, or would that be off the table at this point? Stick,
are these questions something that you have a handle on, if we aren't
able to get info from the policy folks?
Any thoughts or guidance would be helpful. Thanks, Anya
Questions---
-- How many PETA supporters are there in Canada?
-- How many of these are inclined toward activism?
-- To what extent will US-based PETA supporters travel to Canada to
support activism?
-- What is PETA's methodology for planning and executing activism?
(Understanding this better would certainly help us to recognize
indicators should they appear.)
-- To what extent is PETA in Canada linked to PETA in the US or
elsewhere?
-- To what extent are the actions of PETA in one country controlled by
an oversight board/governing body?
-- To what extent could non-PETA hangers-on (such as anarchists or ALF
supporters) get involved in any protest activity? Then again I'm sure you didn't read any of this because anyone who disagrees with you is a "crazy conspiracy fuck" and you're the only sane person alive.
I don't see anything in your post that makes this any less of a "crazy conspiracy" pile of bullshit. So there's some e-mails by a private company who consults with firms on political activism. So they wrote a paragraph on their website, probably as part of some application for a grant/contract, that vaguely references collating information and predicting future events. I have no idea what the fuck that e-mail is supposed to show. That coca-cola is asking about PETA activisits? This is news? This is a surprise to someone? This is meaningful?
Where is the smoking gun here? I see absolutely nothing that even raises an eyebrow.
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Over-reaction.
Those "black globes" are closed circuit television systems...
Close circuit means they are not accessible from the outside. If they were, lawyers would have a field day with them in court, trust me.
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MURICA15980 Posts
Great. Now this will definitely feed the flames of conspiracy nuts.
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EPT
