[D] Is 6 pool overpowerd? - Page 12

On September 30 2011 13:26 Oreo7 wrote:


Zergs hatch first, this protoss is forging first and then depending on zerg spawn location, occasionally auto losing. If a zerg were to pool first then hatch and then lose based on spawn location, they'd have my sympathy.

You can't really make a comparison.

On September 30 2011 16:41 willsterben wrote:


well you might not feel like it but technically you ARE ahead.
you have an early queen and can produce nothing but drones and an early expo without having to fear anything at all.
just try to hit every inject even if you can't use the larvae right away

On September 30 2011 07:06 Zanzabarr wrote:


Lol Blizzard just "nerfed" bunker rushing slightly because of how good it was. I highly doubt any of you people mentioning stuff like "just wall" have ever even played Protoss or have any inclination about how fast the lings come. You actually lose if you wall off completely... your zealot can't get on the outside to attack lings and you lose your gateway. Also going forge first and building a bunch of cannons behind a wall off for your main puts you behind the zerg economically, as he is free to drone/expand.

On September 30 2011 20:51 -Dustin- wrote:

I feel no sympathy for you. 6Pool is weak I face it all the time in ZvZ I defend it by making nothing but Drones. Workers competely destroy any kind of early pool, You just mieral walk and surround them and its pretty much GG right there even if you lose some of yor probes. You can also pull back the low hp ones so you take no loses its not that hard but most people don't even bother. Atleast Toss have the luxury of cannons in their mineral lines we don't have that its Drones or nothing.(We can wait for Lings to pop but thats only on 6Pool Drone allin other wise Drones will hold it)

Dance around(Pull back when shields are gone as you regenerate faster than Lings do.) as you don't have creep in your main the Lings can't catch our Probes and make a a cannon/Chrono boost a Zealot and its gg right there. Follow up with 2 Gate/4 Gate and the Zerg can't defend it. Unless they 9Pooled like I do then you will get compeltely stomped. I don't see how you say if you Pool>Hatch and then we can't lose, If we pool>hatch and you wall our expo and cannons as Lings pop its GG. We had to change from Hatch first to Pool first just because Toss started Forge first and if you start getting 6Pooled more then change up your build we had to do it.

On September 30 2011 21:11 tsango wrote:
i have a preference to open 13 forge anyway, not only because its safer but because you can use cannons to pressure zergs who open hatch first, especially the really greedy ones who then make several drones before starting a pool.

On October 03 2011 04:46 askTeivospy wrote:
Play protoss and try to defend a 6 pool with your ideas. you'll fall behind in tech/pylons especially if you walled your ramp

imo best way to counter a 6 pool is to skip gas, get second gateway and mass zealots. getting a forge sets you way behind and is auto lose in some cases ._>

On October 03 2011 05:41 TaKiTaKi wrote:

and by "pressuring" zergs you mean straight up cannon rushing them.

On October 03 2011 04:46 askTeivospy wrote:


Play protoss and try to defend a 6 pool with your ideas. you'll fall behind in tech/pylons especially if you walled your ramp

imo best way to counter a 6 pool is to skip gas, get second gateway and mass zealots. getting a forge sets you way behind and is auto lose in some cases ._>

On October 05 2011 09:24 michaelhasanalias wrote:


Considering that's the opposite of what he just advocated, I don't see how this response is even valid.



Anyway, here are some mid-master replays on 6pool vs 12 forge FE on shakuras plateau:


http://drop.sc/40746 --> 12 forge, walled with cannon, easy win


http://drop.sc/40747 --> 12 forge, lings didn't focus the forward forge, loss (should have been an easy win)


http://drop.sc/40748 --> 12 forge (this is the standard wall in my opinion), easy win


http://drop.sc/40749 --> 12 forge L-wall, lings didn't focus side pylons, loss (should have been easy win)


http://drop.sc/40750 --> 12 forge L-wall, easy win



Essentially, all five of these games should have been easy wins, of which three actually were. This is a 12 forge that goes down blindly in the cases when he doesn't scout me first, with full probe cutting once he scouts the 6 pool. My build order each time was 6 pool, 10 lings, double extractor trick into 4 more lings, scout on 1:39-1:42 (specific to this map).

The wall fails (or should have failed) in every one of these games. I still believe there are no FFE wall placements that will sustain against a well-executed 6 pool on this map. The counter has and will continue to be simply making a pylon and cannon in your mineral line.

If you watch closely though, especially in game 5, there are some things a protoss could probably do to survive this with minimal probe losses with very clever backup pylon placement and partial walling with probes/etc. But all of this is so much more difficult to execute than simply placing a pylon in your mineral line followed by a cannon.

If you FFE on this map, scout a 6 pool, and then try to wall instead of pylon/cannoning your mineral line, expect to die.

On October 05 2011 11:14 roymarthyup wrote:

i really feel the best way to beat a 6pool is with a 14forge that does a pylon/gateway/forge/pylon wall at the front and puts a cannon in the mineral line, cannon at the wall, and does a temp walloff when the lings arrive and pulls some probes to protect the cannon as its warping in

14forge has more economy and is able to do this easily

id gladly play against your 6pool to show how its done

On October 04 2011 11:59 roymarthyup wrote:



hey zel id be willing to 6pool against you once just so we can provide a replay for this thread. im pretty confident in my ability to do a perfect 6pool, however i still believe it only works against tosses opening a greedy FFE. safe FFE with a 14forge and pylon/gateway/forge/pylon wall should always beat 6pool


i think we should do it on shakuras or TDA or heck maybe 1game on each


ill pm you my charactor ID tomorrow or in 2days or somethin and whenever were not busy we can play a game or something to see

On October 05 2011 12:06 michaelhasanalias wrote:


Do you have a replay? I also saw your post in the 7 pool thread claiming the same thing, and I've yet to see a replay...




If you FFE, pylon/cannon in mineral line is the best way to defend 6 pool, hands down. It doesn't mean protoss is miles ahead or even very ahead at all. But it's the only safe way to not die if you FFE'd and scout a 6 pool.

If i saw this being attempted, I wouldn't even bother going into the mineral line, and instead would just take the free gateway, forge and 2 pylons and be ahead... Why would you commit an extra 250 minerals to a wall that will die?

Is your line of thought "I can get him to come into my main and keep the gateway/forge alive" ?? Doing this is no better than simply opening pylon/forge at the natural then pylon/cannon at teh mineral line. The difference is that you'll lose that gateway and extra pylon...