• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:21
CEST 22:21
KST 05:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting2[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent6Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO65.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)67Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition325.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) IP For new Brazil servers for NA Players TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent I'm making videos again Any rep analyzer that shows resources situation? Whose hotkey signature is this?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal A [ASL20] Semifinal B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop the Construction YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1289 users

[OSL] Korean Air Ro16 Tiebreakers - Page 117

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 115 116 117 118 119 Next
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
April 18 2010 21:57 GMT
#2321
Of course Zero got stuck with the ZvZ.
Zero fighting.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 18 2010 22:02 GMT
#2322
On April 19 2010 06:57 Jaksiel wrote:
Of course Zero got stuck with the ZvZ.


He had a protoss last OSL on zerg favoured maps.

He didn't fare much better with that. Zero is just a Ro8 player.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 18 2010 22:37 GMT
#2323
On April 19 2010 07:02 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 06:57 Jaksiel wrote:
Of course Zero got stuck with the ZvZ.


He had a protoss last OSL on zerg favoured maps.

He didn't fare much better with that. Zero is just a Ro8 player.


Considering he's made a Ro4, I don't think that's very accurate.
Remember Violet.
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
April 18 2010 22:39 GMT
#2324
good thing i slept instead of watching another 5 games of draws until effort finally won...
PM me if you want random korean images translated.
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 22:42:19
April 18 2010 22:40 GMT
#2325
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)EffOrt
When there's Flash there's a way.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
April 19 2010 00:23 GMT
#2326
any interviews from this epic tie breaker?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10342 Posts
April 19 2010 02:24 GMT
#2327
Yeah, it's the next day. And this is still pretty absurd. People jumping back on the Effort bandwagon dispite being as equally bad as go.go and Shine. LoL.

Requesting 2-month ban, I've been neglecting all of my schoolwork and other shit, and there's no greater evidence of that than watching 17 OSL games, plus the 9 proleague games I watched before those, and spending over 6 hours updating this OP.

Love you all, see you after my finals.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
TacToSs
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia330 Posts
April 19 2010 02:30 GMT
#2328
rofl awesome paint, so true
Jaedong <3
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
April 19 2010 02:41 GMT
#2329
Mirrors account for 50% of matchups, from the perspective of the observer.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 03:10:47
April 19 2010 03:10 GMT
#2330
On April 19 2010 11:41 RoieTRS wrote:
Mirrors account for 50% of matchups, from the perspective of the observer.



no?!

assuming all 3 races are played equally often:

then 1/9th of the games will be tvt, 1/9th will be tvp, 1/9th will be pvt... wait, thats the same from the observers perspective.

each particular mirror makes up for 1/9th of the games, so 1/3rd of all games are mirrors. each particular nonmirror makes up for 2/9th of the games, so 2/3rd of all games are non-mirrors.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
April 19 2010 03:26 GMT
#2331
lol i thought germans were good at math/stats
u need to count tvt etc twice
hence there is half chance of getting mirror
Buy prints of my photographs at Redbubble -> http://www.redbubble.com/people/shoenberg3
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8553 Posts
April 19 2010 03:44 GMT
#2332
On April 19 2010 12:26 phosphorylation wrote:
lol i thought germans were good at math/stats
u need to count tvt etc twice
hence there is half chance of getting mirror

*facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm*
Jaedong
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 03:54:59
April 19 2010 03:50 GMT
#2333
On April 19 2010 12:26 phosphorylation wrote:
lol i thought germans were good at math/stats
u need to count tvt etc twice
hence there is half chance of getting mirror



roll 2 dices simultaneously for 100 or 200 times and count how often u roll 2 sixes and how often u roll a six and a five. this should teach u.


some other reasoning:

we randomly choose 2 players, player A and player B, out of a huge pool of players. lets say that all races are played by an equal amount of players, so the chance for player A to be a terran player is 1/3rd.


we only get a tvt if both player A and player B are terrans. as both events are independent assuming a large enough playerpool, the probability for this to happen is 1/3*1/3 = 1/9.


to get a pvt, we need EITHER player A to be toss and player B to be terran, which has a probability of 1/9th, or player A to be terran and player B to be toss, which also has a probability of 1/9th. the overall probability of a pvt thus is 2/9.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
April 19 2010 03:54 GMT
#2334
TvT
TvP
TvZ
PvT
PvP
PvZ
ZvT
ZvP
ZvZ

each are equally likely assuming equal amounts of each race, 1/3 are mirrors

therefore about 1/3 of the total matchups will be mirrors
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 19 2010 03:54 GMT
#2335
MS Paint to the rescue.

[image loading]
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8132 Posts
April 19 2010 03:55 GMT
#2336
omg i hate this discussion whenever it comes up

hurts my head so bad
Free Palestine
Rucky
Profile Joined February 2008
United States717 Posts
April 19 2010 05:54 GMT
#2337
wow you guys are all saying 1/3....did you not even read the guy. It says from observer's point of view. Watching a tvz vs a zvt is the same damn thing. Observers don't play. But when you play the game, you are either the terran or the zerg so that makes 2 matchups.
Beyond the Game
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
April 19 2010 05:56 GMT
#2338
lol damn my bad
even monkeys fall off the tree
Buy prints of my photographs at Redbubble -> http://www.redbubble.com/people/shoenberg3
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
April 19 2010 07:18 GMT
#2339
On April 19 2010 14:54 Rucky wrote:
wow you guys are all saying 1/3....did you not even read the guy. It says from observer's point of view. Watching a tvz vs a zvt is the same damn thing. Observers don't play. But when you play the game, you are either the terran or the zerg so that makes 2 matchups.


look at the chart again.

even from a player's perspective you still have a 1/3 chance at getting a mirror
Jaester88
Profile Joined September 2009
United States143 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 07:24:05
April 19 2010 07:20 GMT
#2340
No, that's not what RoieTRS said. He didn't say from the perspective of the observer, mirrors happen 50% of the time, he said from the perspective of the observer, mirrors account for 50% of the matchups. The way he said it, it's true.

edit: This is, unless, everyone's responding to a different post than I am.
Prev 1 115 116 117 118 119 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#26
Clem vs herO
RotterdaM1456
TKL 496
ZombieGrub306
IndyStarCraft 238
BRAT_OK 103
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1456
TKL 496
ZombieGrub306
IndyStarCraft 238
BRAT_OK 103
ProTech100
Livibee 66
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 19954
Shuttle 554
firebathero 133
Backho 63
Aegong 25
Movie 11
Dota 2
capcasts78
Counter-Strike
ScreaM941
pashabiceps524
Stewie2K426
Foxcn194
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu464
Other Games
Grubby3265
FrodaN1713
fl0m721
Skadoodle266
shahzam185
ToD168
C9.Mang0154
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 120
• poizon28 21
• Hupsaiya 18
• davetesta10
• Reevou 3
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1168
• Scarra623
• Shiphtur385
• WagamamaTV316
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 39m
Afreeca Starleague
13h 39m
Soma vs Bisu
OSC
17h 39m
OSC
21h 39m
MaxPax vs Gerald
Solar vs Krystianer
PAPI vs Lemon
Ryung vs Moja
Nice vs NightPhoenix
Cham vs TBD
MaNa vs TriGGeR
PiGosaur Monday
1d 3h
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Safe House 2
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Safe House 2
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.