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On May 27 2011 15:06 Dingobloo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 14:55 Vysage wrote:
So has it pretty much been proven it was because of Inside the Game? I kinda wish someone would just come out and say what's going on, an official wording to clear everything up. I can't take anyone's posts seriously in this state. What could possibly be so bad about just detailing the reasons behind Incontrol's departure? It looks a lot worse if your ambiguous about it, take note of what happened with the EG master's cup and TL. I think it's just that Geoff has been so busy, aside from inside the game he's doing NASL casting, running around doing panels with intel, doing advertising shoots, coaching, and still trying to keep a practice schedule and his girlfriend. If he's going to cut something, it's just a natural that it's something that his sponsors aren't involved in. If he had infinite time, he's shown that he want's nothing more to contribute to SOTG but he's just at a point where he's forced to choose.
But he just said he's going to get more free time soon and will be using it to make youtube videos for his channel. So I think its fair to assume hes already got enough time for everything you listed including gaming and will now use his former SOTG time for youtube.
Maybe google is the one who gave Anna that 1 million dollar check for exclusive Incontrol content on youtube instead of DJWheat. Inside the game and EG better watch out they might be next to lose him!
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On May 27 2011 14:02 Seldon wrote:
Please people don't blame Incontrol, being forbidden to do something you want to do, then being criticized for it when you are not allowed to offer an explanation has got to be one of the worst feelings there are. He probably objected to it. Hell, having listened to him for months I figure he probably even told them that it was good for EG and esports in the long term to allow him to stay in SOTG. Pure speculation, sure, but if some of the above is true (and it seems pretty clear some of it is with JP's comment on "Idra being cleared") imagine how it must suck for Inc to have people hate on *him* and not being able to defend himself.
Great post that everyone should read twice through.
I actually think it would be acceptable to leave the host position open and not "replace" incontrol. Just having JP, Day[9], and Tyler be the regulars with a 4th/5th guest(s) is good enough for me as long as all of them can commit to doing the show regularly.
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Could be hilarious if DeMusliM comes on the show, even if it's just guesting the same time IdrA is on. DeMusliM can be just as blunt and dismissive of other pro's as IdrA is but they are different races so would be much better than the protoss knitting circle the last show was.
And he has the singing voice of a drunken tone deaf angel.
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Demuslim on the show would be great. I don't know why they have not invited him yet.
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Demuslim!! Big up da UK innit!
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Isnt Demuslim another EG guy? so how likely is that to happen...
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On May 26 2011 07:52 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 07:22 The KY wrote:On May 26 2011 06:16 1Eris1 wrote:On May 26 2011 03:41 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On May 26 2011 02:34 1Eris1 wrote:
Anyone else find HuK's comment about zerg players learning to use infestors really stupid?
Zergs didn't figure out how to use them...they got buffed.
Really kinda sad these guys are starting to cry imba after just a couple of weeks (where zerg has won one tournament) when they have been dominating zergs for the past 2 months, and zerg players were just "bad and didn't know how to micro". Pretty hypocritical tbh. They got buffed and then zergs figured out how to use them. It's not easy to integrate new things. Infestors weren't being used in situations that they're being used in now. When a buff makes a unit good in situations that it was never used before then there's a delay between the change to the unit and players winning more because of the change. The delay is because players have to learn to use the unit in new situations. If stalker damage gets buffed, then I'm going to immediately start winning more games without having to change anything, since I've already been getting stalkers often and I don't have to do anything new to benefit from their extra damage. If carrier damage gets buffed, then I have a long grueling task ahead of me of figuring out when and how I'm going to integrate carriers into my play. For ZvP, infestor changes have been much more similar to a carrier buff than a stalker buff. No one was crying imba. One person said he thought one unit might be imbalanced. Outspoken players before us have set the stage for any discussion about the game to be viewed in the perspective you're now viewing it. It's a terrible perspective. Why aren't you interested in learning why we think the PvZ tables are turning? Or why are you more interested in seeing us proven wrong or hypocritical in some trivial respect? You are wrong if you think that any of us thinks the game is unfair or that a change is needed right now. The more accurate thing to say is that zerg is beginning to collectively outplay protoss. There's no frustration or ill feeling or whining or crying or anything from us like that about it. That you expect such feelings in this situation is indicative of how poorly so many outspoken people have handled these issues in the past. It's possible to share things with each other and learn things from each other without all that bullshit. By the way, I think calling someone out on being hypocritical when time has passed is worthless. Hypocrisy happens all at once. Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing something contrary at about the same time or supporting two contrary things simultaneously. Keeping a record of every attitude and opinion and position about everything, and then calling someone a hypocrite every time you note a change is a waste of time. People evolve. If someone isn't changing opinions, they're likely lying or just don't have anything of value to add anymore. Tyler, my point was more directed at HuK almost insulting zerg players. Things like zerg players just amoved and lost and then whined. Yes infestors were buffed, and this opened up various new strats. But a lot of these strats were not viable before the buff, and thus they weren't done. I don't think zerg players got better with infestors, they just weren't viable. Zerg were already using them in ZvT and ZvZ regularly. I am a random player, and I tried infestor play pre-patch. It wasn't very viable, at least at my level. But now with it's increased strength, it can help transition into say faster ultralisks, which means you can counter the deathball+sentrys push where you would normally just throw a roach/hydra/corrupter army and hope to remax and kill it. You couldn't get fast ultralisks before, because it would leave you at risk to certain timings, but now with the infestor being a much stronger and better defensive unit, it is a lot more viable. It was dumb and arrogant of him to say, oh zerg players learned how to micro. No they didn't. They got buffed, and discovered new strats, and thats completely different then learning to micro. Zergs already knew how to micro, there just wasn't a lot of micro oppurtunities. And as far as the a-moving, it was no different then the protoss deathball being clicked across the map, so it's a stupid point. My comment wasn't really directed at you, and I'm sorry if it seemed that way. I just greatly dislike players that generalize a group of people based on a small % of that group. Then again, I am just a masters random player. I have about a 90% winrate in PvZ right now, because I've been incorporating archons, even though they apparentely suck according to some pros. The infestor buff was designed to counter the colossi/deathball, so it should be beating it, because zergs other "supposed" counter wasn't working. I don't think infestors are too good right now, colossi simply aren't the anwser to them. Then again, maybe the zergs I am playing just aren't good enough. who knows Hang on hang on...you're saying the infestor buff is reason that protoss feel like the match up is having a turnaround...but you also feel like the infestor is rubbish vs protoss? Regardless, Tyler's post is excellent; shouldn't zergs be ecstatic that the tide is turning? But because of the terrible broken race imba mindset spread by certain players, a lot of zerg's reaction is 'OMIGOD how dare they even infer that protoss isn't overpowered as fuck, I'm so fucking mad I wish IdrA had been there he would've said how it is!'. Where did I say infestors are bad? I just said I don't find them overpowered at all. Maybe it's because I don't play a deathball style of PvZ though. And I don't think they should be, obviously it's better, but at this rate it's just going to be protoss bitching about zerg, and zerg players hardly want that. They should want the protoss to find some new strat that isn't too strong but beats infestors
Yeees...so you said that HuK insulted zergs by saying they learned to micro, actually they were buffed. Then you said that the buffed unit doesn't actually work against the prevalent PvZ style. But you accept that protoss players are having a harder time.
So what caused that? Maybe...zergs learned how to micro?
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On May 27 2011 18:34 RedBack wrote:
Isnt Demuslim another EG guy? so how likely is that to happen...
But he's not casting an SC2 league for 4+ hours a day so in theory should be practising enough already to remain as a committed SC2 pro who should be in EG. Although whether he would be back from the nightclubs in time to do SotG is a different matter 
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DeMuslim is fun, but he's not exactly a "pillar of the community", and I'm not sure how much contact he had with Sean and Tyler (if any). The reason Geoff fit so well with the two of them is because they all know each other for a very long time - you can't just artificially include a third person, even if they seem to have the right personality for it.
Artosis would be the perfect pick, but he's very unlikely to be able to fit SotG in his schedule. Chill would be my second pick (Chill get in!).
It's obviously hard for any European to be a regular as well if they keep airing at around 5 AM for us.
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My logical mind cannot process these cospiracies as truth just yet, but it STRUCK me like a train the reasoning of him leaving sotg.
You are the busiest man in Esports, whe know that for sure, Inc, but seriously, SOTG is just 2 hours a week, and it's just hanging out and chilling with friends discussing sc2.
It's not like NASL, it's not, a job...
It does not sound right to me, it's...it's..unreasonable. Unless sotg requires some sort of work behind the scenes from the pillars, that we don't notice at first glance....
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+1 for demuslim, hes great
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On May 27 2011 10:23 Bobster wrote:
Replace incontrol with a Terran please. I nominate Painuser or LzGamer.
I'd like to have Select there rather, so he can sing us some amazing stuff.
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if we are voting 
Poll: Who would you guys like to join?iNcontroL (yes i'm a moron) (34) 26% tlo (25) 19% Demuslim (21) 16% DeMusliM (17) 13% White Duckload Ra (9) 7% Uncontrollable (8) 6% HuK (7) 5% Kelly (6) 5% tb (2) 2% husky (1) 1% joshy (0) 0% hd (0) 0% 130 total votes Your vote: Who would you guys like to join? (Vote): iNcontroL (yes i'm a moron)
(Vote): Demuslim
(Vote): Kelly
(Vote): tlo
(Vote): DeMusliM
(Vote): Uncontrollable
(Vote): joshy
(Vote): husky
(Vote): hd
(Vote): tb
(Vote): White Duckload Ra
(Vote): HuK
ps: + Show Spoiler +i don't vote in polls i set up ;-p7 so i'm not one of the morons who voted staying true to themselves.. but i am the morron who copy pasted DeMuslim twice .. just ignore this (or me) edit: well, i would have voted for qxc myself  but when i got to 12, i frantically typed "post" thinking i had added him, anyway, no harm done, i prefer to not impair his stream time = awesomest streamer showman in star2
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I remember JP talking about new things and djWheat last time the show took a break. The archive for sotg ended up on djwheats site and nothing more happend.
Was all that scraped or was it just delayed and going to happen now? Will be interesting to see what will happen to the show after the break.
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Wow, the speculation is running rampant. Has *anyone* considered that Geoff single-handedly killed the ability to say "I'm going to announce on X-day... something big!"? The reason Geoff is leaving SOTG is likely for something he can't announce yet, and he is just avoiding telling us yet.
The most likely scenario is he won't be around Tuesday nights. What will he be doing? I don't know! But we'll find out soon.
As for the Scoots & Idra things. Scoots knows why but can't say (think NASL and the like) and Idra has his own schedule (he was casting EG Master's cup Monday night, so all JP did was confirm he'd be free), so neither of those statements mean anything.
It's like people have forgotten everything that happened with announcements of announcements earlier in the year, lol.
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Also, JP needs to get John the Translator on SOTG at some point. It'd be fun!
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On May 27 2011 19:30 adso wrote:if we are voting Poll: Who would you guys like to join?iNcontroL (yes i'm a moron) (34) 26% tlo (25) 19% Demuslim (21) 16% DeMusliM (17) 13% White Duckload Ra (9) 7% Uncontrollable (8) 6% HuK (7) 5% Kelly (6) 5% tb (2) 2% husky (1) 1% joshy (0) 0% hd (0) 0% 130 total votes Your vote: Who would you guys like to join? (Vote): iNcontroL (yes i'm a moron)
(Vote): Demuslim
(Vote): Kelly
(Vote): tlo
(Vote): DeMusliM
(Vote): Uncontrollable
(Vote): joshy
(Vote): husky
(Vote): hd
(Vote): tb
(Vote): White Duckload Ra
(Vote): HuK
Out of those, it would be easily Huk. He's funny, speaks his mind, and watches most, if not all, GSL action and can comment about the games. Same thing would be with Artosis. I mean, the guys barely talked the GSTL Finals, and that was the best games of the entire week by a wide, wide margin, in my belief.
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