EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1145
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Seldon
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AndAgain
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
On May 27 2011 12:53 iNcontroL wrote: incontroltv there  It's a project to be worked on when I get some more time on my hands... which is fairly soon actually!IDK sounds like Geoff might be cutting back on more than just SOTG??? (NASL perhaps?) | ||
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Squirrel_x360a
Australia305 Posts
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T4
Estonia5 Posts
I still love you incontrol <3, even tho SOTG isn't gonna be the same i'll still watch it and I'm NOT gonna watch Inside the game thanks to the bullsh*t they pulled. | ||
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faceless-
United States20 Posts
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mathershop
Canada104 Posts
i am watching it primarily for Tyler's monologues about Protoss and the laughs Geof was giving me  | ||
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Vysage
United States117 Posts
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
Also people saying they will remove him from twitter, yada yada. Not sure he or anyone wanted you assosiated with anything related to sc2. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:55 Vysage wrote: So has it pretty much been proven it was because of Inside the Game? I kinda wish someone would just come out and say what's going on, an official wording to clear everything up. I can't take anyone's posts seriously in this state. What could possibly be so bad about just detailing the reasons behind Incontrol's departure? It looks a lot worse if your ambiguous about it, take note of what happened with the EG master's cup and TL. I think it's just that Geoff has been so busy, aside from inside the game he's doing NASL casting, running around doing panels with intel, doing advertising shoots, coaching, and still trying to keep a practice schedule and his girlfriend. If he's going to cut something, it's just a natural that it's something that his sponsors aren't involved in. If he had infinite time, he's shown that he want's nothing more to contribute to SOTG but he's just at a point where he's forced to choose. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
Allow me to say a bunch of stuff practically no one will bother to read. The corporate nature of the "new esports” definitely has its positives. More content, more money in prizes, better games, a larger scene. However, I'm definitely starting to see the darker side of what I used to think was an entirely good thing. Even from someone who has only been a part of "starcraft" for a year now, I'm already becoming annoyed at the way content is largely merchandized, the constant requests to "support esports" and help these people live their dreams playing video games. It certainly hasn't seemed like a burden up until now. I've gladly forked over a number of HD passes to various events, watched streams without adblock entirely to support the player, and considered a number of my gaming related purchases entirely on sponsorships. Was I suckered? I'm not sure. Having a career in the private sector, I feel like I was blinded slightly by affection for the people, the community, and the game that came quite naturally. Looking more objectively at some of the things that have been happening, it stings slightly (and it's almost embarrassing to admit that I care) to realize how commercial this business has become in the short time I've been a part of things. And I fully recognize how awesome it is for those involved. A lot of really nice kids (and some unbelievably self-absorbed nerds, but I'll skip over the unpleasantness) are actually making careers out of playing Starcraft. But as they do, they become less beholden to us (me) and more beholden to the commercial interests at stake. This might not be as entirely obvious as I think, so I will state it directly: These are not the same. A lot of people have been asking for a more "professional" scene. I admit I've been one of them, wanting professional casters, professional players, considered and considerate interviews, among other things. I wanted more shit to consume like a monkey asking for peanuts, and I instinctively thought more was better. I don't know where I stand now. It's impossible to criticize the players for what seems to be a commercial decision, and I only state that because it seems like so many people are doing so. What I can state though is I'm not sure if a Starcraft, where one of the most enjoyable shows in the entire scene has one of the most charismatic personalities removed due to commercial interests, I'm not sure if that is what I want to be supporting. And, frankly, it might all be for naught, because it seems like Starcraft, and indeed esports, picked their direction a long time ago. | ||
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Ihpares
United States40 Posts
Also, in response to people of the thread unfollowing INcontrol over various mediums, I'm going on a campaign to follow him over those same mediums. INcontrol, we hate to see you go (But love to watch you leave). | ||
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Seldon
90 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:46 SimDawg wrote: Even from someone who has only been a part of "starcraft" for a year now, I'm already becoming annoyed at the way content is largely merchandized, the constant requests to "support esports" and help these people live their dreams playing video games. Yeah, I think if we can take something from this is that the pleads for "supporting esports" no longer make any sense. I don't think anybody can argue that handicapping SOTG is a good way to support esports. This is an industry now, just pay for what you want to consume. And if you really want to donate, donate to the players. | ||
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dtz
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unless JP brings Artosis + Tasteless permanently. And then all will be well. Maybe JP can get MLG to provide some budget for SOTG considering the popularity. Pay the pillars some money. Heck, i'm sure the community is even willing to donate. I know I would. Just set up the page and i'll be all over that thing. Hopefully they can afford 1 or 2 hours of their time to chit-chat with each other. No preparation needed as well! And Tasteless is already out of EG so probably no issues there. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
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BryanSC
United States455 Posts
On May 27 2011 16:32 TheButtonmen wrote: So do we if there is actually more to why he is leaving SotG then what he said in the previous show? There seems to be a meteric ton of speculation here but I've yet to see a single source that prompted it all. There has been nothing stated in addition the reasons Inc gave during the show, everything is speculation and this is the Internet so people like to argue. All I know is, SOTG will become a very dull show unless they pick up someone charismatic. | ||
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Seldon
90 Posts
On May 27 2011 16:32 TheButtonmen wrote: So do we if there is actually more to why he is leaving SotG then what he said in the previous show? There seems to be a meteric ton of speculation here but I've yet to see a single source that prompted it all. It all started with JP saying that "Idra was cleared" to appear in the next SOTG. There wasn't a clearing process before cause JP sometimes would say in the pre-show something like "hey let's see if Idra wants to come on the show". It was all pretty spontaneous. So the fact that there's now a clearing process for EG people to appear on SOTG and Incontrol coincidentally announced he was leaving that week prompted all the speculation. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On May 27 2011 07:27 unoriginalname wrote: He would certainly love having to wake up at 4am (if he's in the U.K. at the moment) to talk for 3 hours. He's in Germany (doesnt make it much better though). | ||
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:02 Seldon wrote: Please people don't blame Incontrol, being forbidden to do something you want to do, then being criticized for it when you are not allowed to offer an explanation has got to be one of the worst feelings there are. He probably objected to i(...) Just want to add to this although I mostly agree with you. If it is true that he was forbidden to do SotG, it is not like he has no choice. Not insinuating that he should leave EG over this particular instance, but if you chose to work for someone, they have to represent something you can stand by. An employer can only ask so much of his employee - if the latter feels it compromises him more than he he is willing to accept, he can look elsewhere for employment. Again, I'm not saying this is big enough, at all, it isn't - but you can't totally write off iNc's part in this. You should all read this great post by SimDawg: On May 27 2011 15:46 SimDawg wrote:+ Show Spoiler + (...) Allow me to say a bunch of stuff practically no one will bother to read. The corporate nature of the "new esports” definitely has its positives. More content, more money in prizes, better games, a larger scene. However, I'm definitely starting to see the darker side of what I used to think was an entirely good thing. Even from someone who has only been a part of "starcraft" for a year now, I'm already becoming annoyed at the way content is largely merchandized, the constant requests to "support esports" and help these people live their dreams playing video games. It certainly hasn't seemed like a burden up until now. I've gladly forked over a number of HD passes to various events, watched streams without adblock entirely to support the player, and considered a number of my gaming related purchases entirely on sponsorships. Was I suckered? I'm not sure. Having a career in the private sector, I feel like I was blinded slightly by affection for the people, the community, and the game that came quite naturally. Looking more objectively at some of the things that have been happening, it stings slightly (and it's almost embarrassing to admit that I care) to realize how commercial this business has become in the short time I've been a part of things. And I fully recognize how awesome it is for those involved. A lot of really nice kids (and some unbelievably self-absorbed nerds, but I'll skip over the unpleasantness) are actually making careers out of playing Starcraft. But as they do, they become less beholden to us (me) and more beholden to the commercial interests at stake. This might not be as entirely obvious as I think, so I will state it directly: These are not the same. A lot of people have been asking for a more "professional" scene. I admit I've been one of them, wanting professional casters, professional players, considered and considerate interviews, among other things. I wanted more shit to consume like a monkey asking for peanuts, and I instinctively thought more was better. I don't know where I stand now. It's impossible to criticize the players for what seems to be a commercial decision, and I only state that because it seems like so many people are doing so. What I can state though is I'm not sure if a Starcraft, where one of the most enjoyable shows in the entire scene has one of the most charismatic personalities removed due to commercial interests, I'm not sure if that is what I want to be supporting. And, frankly, it might all be for naught, because it seems like Starcraft, and indeed esports, picked their direction a long time ago. I have one comment on all of this. I agree that the darker side of the commercialism of starcraft II is not necessarily something we want, but I want to add that it is not like there is only one way to do business. You don't have to be all cut throat about defending your interests in all aspects, to a large extend I believe reaching out and trying to work with people all over the community, can be as profitable an endeavour. If this is a decision made by SirScoots I know where to place my antipathy, and try to "comsume" in a way that doesn't nurture this style of doing business. The choices we make of which corporations to support, directs the evolvement of the commercial starcraft scene. DISCLAIMER: This is all speculative and apply if only if the reason for iNc's leaving SotG is SirScoots wanting to protect EG interests. I'm keeping an eye on these affairs, not making a judgement yet. Also, I know I come off awfully serious with this post, but there is something here potentially rather important to the future of the starcraft scene. | ||
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Ruccola
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