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timmeh
Profile Joined September 2009
Austria177 Posts
December 13 2009 23:37 GMT
#401
If you can grant F91 permission to play qualifications from within China, then why not RO16? What difference does this really make then? May as well make an exception for him as a whole?

Granting F91 special participation rights has nothing to do with him abusing the ladder. You are just sour on a personal level there. He should not be shunned any more than any other "abuser".

Either way, he abused. DQ is fair. gg
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
December 13 2009 23:38 GMT
#402
On December 14 2009 08:37 timmeh wrote:
If you can grant F91 permission to play qualifications from within China, then why not RO16? What difference does this really make then? May as well make an exception for him as a whole?

Granting F91 special participation rights has nothing to do with him abusing the ladder. You are just sour on a personal level there. He should not be shunned any more than any other "abuser".

Either way, he abused. DQ is fair. gg

F91 could only have played the ladder from within China. Everything after that, he would've had to be somewhere else.
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 23:44:38
December 13 2009 23:43 GMT
#403
On December 14 2009 08:37 timmeh wrote:
If you can grant F91 permission to play qualifications from within China, then why not RO16? What difference does this really make then? May as well make an exception for him as a whole?

Granting F91 special participation rights has nothing to do with him abusing the ladder. You are just sour on a personal level there. He should not be shunned any more than any other "abuser".

Either way, he abused. DQ is fair. gg


China has major lag issues; whilst playing the ladder from China, with lag, was possible (as there is a lower level of significance and fewer people are affected by the issue), having lag during broadcasted Ro16 matches and beyond would have been unacceptable for viewers and other players.
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
December 14 2009 00:12 GMT
#404
On December 14 2009 06:16 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 05:59 .risingdragoon wrote:
On December 14 2009 05:48 StarBrift wrote:
It's kinda wierd how some of these people fucked themselves over a 100 times more than anyone else. A2, F91 and Dimaga WOULD have qualified atleast in the top 48 regardless. Now they face the disgrace of a DQ and the prospect of being shunned by the entire community for a long time. I wonder if they any of them feels like a better seed into the tournament or whatever was worth all that. I'm guessing not.


Don't put f91 in there, he at least was put in a unique situation by tsl rules.

What? Of course F91 belongs in this list, he cheated just like the rest. Every player on the TSL ladder wanted to be in the top 12.


I read it as "don't put F91 in there because he wouldn't have qualified" but reading some of the later posts by .risingdragoon, I think I was wrong
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 14 2009 00:19 GMT
#405
On December 14 2009 02:02 dshsdhk wrote:
Well, I'm ReasoN and I'm posting to clarify one thing, that TSL2 could have been one of the best online events of all time, if there weren't some extremely idiot rules, like forbidding smurfs, obviously the talented and famous players had a disvantage , especially those who were able to get excellent stats, and we, that did that, were praticaly dodged and ignored of the ladder, just in the most important fase (B+, A- above), with that we were unable or delayed pretty bad of getting a better rank (i didnt have 6hours per day to find people to play), and our unique solution would be playing with koreans (and that woudlnt be fair).
After spending hours trying to get games and being dodged and ignored by 99% of players, we got really in despair, and without thinking of the consequences we try to get some wins in a irregular way, which really hasn't changed anything in my situation (and the other tops that did the same). I even had classified myself by my own merits even without those wins. Dont get me wrong, im not saying that what we did was right, we did shit, but in my point of view, many of the other players had done too, like avoiding players with good stats, or spamming games on just one matchup like i saw some guys doing. (B+ A- only zerg msg for example...)

F91, Yosh, A2, Dimaga, ReasoN, Sarens

This list shows the total TSL2 fail in these requirements, players in this category with 80%++ win percentage with indisputable level were obligated to cheat for moving up in rank, because they were getting hard time to find games, u guys should reflect on what happend in this TSL2, and improve the rules for the next one, im retired since 2007 and i just came back to play this last tournament before quit this game definitely, sad that this shit had to happen, at least i had great time beating some players that are pretty active and who thinks that they are TOPS, and then they get raped by a retired player, i can quit this game satisfacted, peace all.

TSL2 = DODGER LADDER, congrats to the dodgers, they succeeded.


So basically TSL2 Failed because some faggots decided to abuse and get caught?
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 14 2009 00:23 GMT
#406
so will these guys be banned from future TSL/TL events?

(emphasis on future)
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
December 14 2009 00:29 GMT
#407
On December 14 2009 00:02 bEsT[Alive] wrote:
Coming from you that means very little to me. I was good friends with several of the top coaches and managers. I've been to many a clan war and I'm telling you these guys wouldn't win this tournament. A2 and Dimaga might have made the top 16, or Round of 8 but they most certainly wouldn't win it. I am very familar with both of their styles and I know what potential they have. For example, A2's Terran has always been very suspect against Zerg. Ret has a ridiculously good record against him. Right about now, I would start talking about F91 as A2 and F91 were teammates on MYM., but it's irrelevant because F91 already got caught.

Now then substandard, exactly who are you to say these guys would actually win it? Matter of fact, did you even say that. No, you didn't. All you said is they would reach the top ten. Did I dismiss that? NO. Now, ask yourself the question again? Would these two players win the entire thing? Simple answer: NO. They are long shots.

Verbatim: NO. They would not win this tournament.

EDIT: Bifur, coming from you that means little to me. Don't take what I said out of context. I know A2 almost as well as you and just because you are his countryman (we know you Russians have a great sense of pride, you don't have to preach it) and fought many a war with him doesn't mean you can negate facts. He hasn't played solidly in a while. Hell, the kid has been on and off for ages. When he's on his A game he is a very, very good player but no one other than his fellow countrymen and a few other fan boys would expect him to win this thing because the competition has risen tenfold since A2's hay day.

With that said, as much as I would looove to say who is going to win this thing. I don't. But, I can give you a shortlist of 5 to 8 players who most likely would.

Last year I chose NonY over JF. Close but no cigar. I was very close selecting my fellow countryman and it wasn't out of blind faith, but because I was quite familiar with him as well.

Now, then sir. What do you have to say to that?


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Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
December 14 2009 00:33 GMT
#408
On December 14 2009 00:40 bEsT[Alive] wrote:
That would be great news Naz but until then I'll stick around waiting for the news post with TSL3 with a bigger cash prize and more sponsors.

No one knows what the future holds, but you cannot deny all this abuse holds well for the community.

***

Considering you haven't really been around the clan leagues for such a long time I don't think you should be one to judge bro.

I'll end it at that.


ban the cunt?
Happiness only real when shared.
tinman
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States287 Posts
December 14 2009 00:35 GMT
#409
I don't have the strength right now to read through this thread.I just wanted to register my dismay about this whole situation.

Some players that I had really been looking forward to seeing in the Ro48 onward got DQed. That's balls. That was a very shortsighted, I want to say even selfish thing to do. Yosh? Dimaga? To say nothing of Advokate and F91. I'm not mad at you guys at all. Just depressed. And god damn it you were all in it. You had this shit made.

The quality of the tournament suffers from these losses. The spirit of 100% undiluted, compulsive-F5-on-the-Ladder-Standings euphoria that this tournament had been bringing me over the past few weeks began to taper. I feel like something was stolen. And I feel like the punishment for the people who stole it is the theft itself, which is like some entirely novel species of suck-assery.

*note: I respect the administration of the TSL for making these calls. Not a word to say against them. This tournament is a beautiful thing, really is. I just feel bummed, and I wanted to bitch about it in a sphere where someone might comiserate.*

**note: I am sure once the Ro48 starts, my spirits will pick up. I still got Drone, iNc, ret, Mondy, IdrA, etc., etc., et al.**
"Politics is an extravagance, an extravagance about grievances. And poetry is an extravagance about grief. And grievances are something that can be remedied, and griefs are irremediable."
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 14 2009 00:36 GMT
#410
To be honest, the potential of having entertaining games just dropped by 50%. I don't even know if I will watch it or not. DAMN CHEATERS!
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sword_siege
Profile Joined September 2002
United States624 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-14 00:42:40
December 14 2009 00:42 GMT
#411
On December 14 2009 09:36 Xiphos wrote:
To be honest, the potential of having entertaining games just dropped by 50%. I don't even know if I will watch it or not. DAMN CHEATERS!


Personally, I don't enjoy watching cheaters so the fact that they are banned is good news to me but to the point there are still 48 awesome players in this tournament and I for one am looking forward to watching as many matches as I can between now and the end.
Future_sc
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States783 Posts
December 14 2009 00:42 GMT
#412
Wow I wish I would of kept playing and not stopped. So many dirty players.
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Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
December 14 2009 00:49 GMT
#413
On December 14 2009 09:42 Future wrote:
Wow I wish I would of kept playing and not stopped. So many dirty players.


I wish I woulda stopped at 9560. I'd have been in. I'm a fucking retard. Fuck.

And yes ban that Vasilisk twat from everything for at least year... hacking then abusing in a span of 2 ICCup seasons is unacceptable.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
December 14 2009 00:52 GMT
#414
--- Nuked ---
shenlong
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
219 Posts
December 14 2009 00:58 GMT
#415
Who cares about the abusers, we have an awesome tournament to come up with amazing players, Ret, Idra, White Ra, Nyoken, Mana , Sen , Koll ect. , Bunch of dark horses , new players to the scene and most importantly, a lot of fun

Lets stop going "Fox News" on what happen with the abusers, lets let the admins handel it in their own way, and lets us focus just on following this kick ass tournament ;o
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 14 2009 01:02 GMT
#416
I personally don't care about the people that got banned. Sure they were famous players but they cheated so fuck them. There are so many more better and more-fun-to-watch players im looking forward to. TSL = The shit
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
December 14 2009 01:06 GMT
#417
On December 14 2009 09:58 zEroMiCro wrote:
Who cares about the abusers, we have an awesome tournament to come up with amazing players, Ret, Idra, White Ra, Nyoken, Mana , Sen , Koll ect. , Bunch of dark horses , new players to the scene and most importantly, a lot of fun

Lets stop going "Fox News" on what happen with the abusers, lets let the admins handel it in their own way, and lets us focus just on following this kick ass tournament ;o

I'm agree, let's focuse on play-off matches
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-14 01:08:02
December 14 2009 01:07 GMT
#418
On December 14 2009 09:58 zEroMiCro wrote:
Who cares about the abusers, we have an awesome tournament to come up with amazing players, Ret, Idra, White Ra, Nyoken, Mana , Sen , Koll ect. , Bunch of dark horses , new players to the scene and most importantly, a lot of fun

Lets stop going "Fox News" on what happen with the abusers, lets let the admins handel it in their own way, and lets us focus just on following this kick ass tournament ;o


This.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=106047&currentpage=172
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 14 2009 01:13 GMT
#419
i would just like to say to those who said "oh, they wouldn't have won anyways" that some people play not to win, but just to be a part of the thing. Of course, they'll try to win the whole thing, but just being a part of this great event is an achievement itself. That's why so many people play the ladder (regular TL members) even though they know they won't make top 48. They tried their best, but knew they wouldn't make it. However, just being a part of it all was great in itself.



and of course, upsets happen. so it's not necessarily idra vs ret in the finals.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
SarenS
Profile Joined January 2006
France36 Posts
December 14 2009 01:17 GMT
#420
hi,
was stupid decision and I regret it, to explain it I just must say that I didnt had the time to finish the ladder since I came away in weekend and decided to play TuZeR with his smurf. I just regret it was mostly due to a lack of time since I was losing 3 days of the ladder, I tryed and I failed.It's deserved. I dont search escuses or anything just want to apologize to every players and the organizers of this tour.

Have fun to everyone and good luck to the players.
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