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so many respected top foreigners being put on the list-of-d-bags in this TSL  .
So sad...
Dimaga
A2
Sarens
Yosh
wtf is going on?
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On December 14 2009 10:17 SarenS wrote:
hi,
was stupid decision and I regret it, to explain it I just must say that I didnt had the time to finish the ladder since I came away in weekend and decided to play TuZeR with his smurf. I just regret it was mostly due to a lack of time since I was losing 3 days of the ladder, I tryed and I failed.It's deserved. I dont search escuses or anything just want to apologize to every players and the organizers of this tour.
Have fun to everyone and good luck to the players.
at least not a bunch of smilie faces in this apology...
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On December 14 2009 09:19 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 02:02 dshsdhk wrote:
Well, I'm ReasoN and I'm posting to clarify one thing, that TSL2 could have been one of the best online events of all time, if there weren't some extremely idiot rules, like forbidding smurfs, obviously the talented and famous players had a disvantage , especially those who were able to get excellent stats, and we, that did that, were praticaly dodged and ignored of the ladder, just in the most important fase (B+, A- above), with that we were unable or delayed pretty bad of getting a better rank (i didnt have 6hours per day to find people to play), and our unique solution would be playing with koreans (and that woudlnt be fair).
After spending hours trying to get games and being dodged and ignored by 99% of players, we got really in despair, and without thinking of the consequences we try to get some wins in a irregular way, which really hasn't changed anything in my situation (and the other tops that did the same). I even had classified myself by my own merits even without those wins. Dont get me wrong, im not saying that what we did was right, we did shit, but in my point of view, many of the other players had done too, like avoiding players with good stats, or spamming games on just one matchup like i saw some guys doing. (B+ A- only zerg msg for example...)
F91, Yosh, A2, Dimaga, ReasoN, Sarens
This list shows the total TSL2 fail in these requirements, players in this category with 80%++ win percentage with indisputable level were obligated to cheat for moving up in rank, because they were getting hard time to find games, u guys should reflect on what happend in this TSL2, and improve the rules for the next one, im retired since 2007 and i just came back to play this last tournament before quit this game definitely, sad that this shit had to happen, at least i had great time beating some players that are pretty active and who thinks that they are TOPS, and then they get raped by a retired player, i can quit this game satisfacted, peace all.
TSL2 = DODGER LADDER, congrats to the dodgers, they succeeded. So basically TSL2 Failed because some faggots decided to abuse and get caught?
how the fuck can you fail so bad at paraphrasing. try to be a productive poster and respond to the issue he puts forth as the main problem with tsl2: after a certain point, everyone dodges to save their own rating and it becomes impossible to get a game. no one cares how you feel about cheating as such opinions have been expressed by more than enough spectators, admins, players and the cheaters themselves
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holy shit...
everybody is cheating?
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On December 14 2009 10:55 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 09:19 arb wrote:On December 14 2009 02:02 dshsdhk wrote:
Well, I'm ReasoN and I'm posting to clarify one thing, that TSL2 could have been one of the best online events of all time, if there weren't some extremely idiot rules, like forbidding smurfs, obviously the talented and famous players had a disvantage , especially those who were able to get excellent stats, and we, that did that, were praticaly dodged and ignored of the ladder, just in the most important fase (B+, A- above), with that we were unable or delayed pretty bad of getting a better rank (i didnt have 6hours per day to find people to play), and our unique solution would be playing with koreans (and that woudlnt be fair).
After spending hours trying to get games and being dodged and ignored by 99% of players, we got really in despair, and without thinking of the consequences we try to get some wins in a irregular way, which really hasn't changed anything in my situation (and the other tops that did the same). I even had classified myself by my own merits even without those wins. Dont get me wrong, im not saying that what we did was right, we did shit, but in my point of view, many of the other players had done too, like avoiding players with good stats, or spamming games on just one matchup like i saw some guys doing. (B+ A- only zerg msg for example...)
F91, Yosh, A2, Dimaga, ReasoN, Sarens
This list shows the total TSL2 fail in these requirements, players in this category with 80%++ win percentage with indisputable level were obligated to cheat for moving up in rank, because they were getting hard time to find games, u guys should reflect on what happend in this TSL2, and improve the rules for the next one, im retired since 2007 and i just came back to play this last tournament before quit this game definitely, sad that this shit had to happen, at least i had great time beating some players that are pretty active and who thinks that they are TOPS, and then they get raped by a retired player, i can quit this game satisfacted, peace all.
TSL2 = DODGER LADDER, congrats to the dodgers, they succeeded. So basically TSL2 Failed because some faggots decided to abuse and get caught? the main problem with tsl2: after a certain point, everyone dodges to save their own rating and it becomes impossible to get a game.
This is simply inaccurate. There is a constant presence of non-TSL players on iccup who rarely dodge. And the TSL players themselves were playing each other to the very end anyway. Look at match lists.
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On December 14 2009 11:07 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 10:55 d_so wrote:On December 14 2009 09:19 arb wrote:On December 14 2009 02:02 dshsdhk wrote:
Well, I'm ReasoN and I'm posting to clarify one thing, that TSL2 could have been one of the best online events of all time, if there weren't some extremely idiot rules, like forbidding smurfs, obviously the talented and famous players had a disvantage , especially those who were able to get excellent stats, and we, that did that, were praticaly dodged and ignored of the ladder, just in the most important fase (B+, A- above), with that we were unable or delayed pretty bad of getting a better rank (i didnt have 6hours per day to find people to play), and our unique solution would be playing with koreans (and that woudlnt be fair).
After spending hours trying to get games and being dodged and ignored by 99% of players, we got really in despair, and without thinking of the consequences we try to get some wins in a irregular way, which really hasn't changed anything in my situation (and the other tops that did the same). I even had classified myself by my own merits even without those wins. Dont get me wrong, im not saying that what we did was right, we did shit, but in my point of view, many of the other players had done too, like avoiding players with good stats, or spamming games on just one matchup like i saw some guys doing. (B+ A- only zerg msg for example...)
F91, Yosh, A2, Dimaga, ReasoN, Sarens
This list shows the total TSL2 fail in these requirements, players in this category with 80%++ win percentage with indisputable level were obligated to cheat for moving up in rank, because they were getting hard time to find games, u guys should reflect on what happend in this TSL2, and improve the rules for the next one, im retired since 2007 and i just came back to play this last tournament before quit this game definitely, sad that this shit had to happen, at least i had great time beating some players that are pretty active and who thinks that they are TOPS, and then they get raped by a retired player, i can quit this game satisfacted, peace all.
TSL2 = DODGER LADDER, congrats to the dodgers, they succeeded. So basically TSL2 Failed because some faggots decided to abuse and get caught? the main problem with tsl2: after a certain point, everyone dodges to save their own rating and it becomes impossible to get a game. This is simply inaccurate. There is a constant presence of non-TSL players on iccup who rarely dodge. And the TSL players themselves were playing each other to the very end anyway. Look at match lists.
But of course noone would EVER have the balls to play reason...
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How about a wildcart tournament?
Grab all the people who where borderline, maybe 8, and do a battle royale for a special spot similar to what happens when a korean goes to the army. AKA for all the massgamers at the last second or reset stats ?
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Thank goodness some of the players have the balls to admit that what they did was wrong and be manner about it such as SarenS instead of douching out like Reason. i can understand and forgive an abuser for at least being honest about it, but never someone crying like a bitch after they got caught and blaming the organizers of the TSL.
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On December 14 2009 10:17 SarenS wrote:
hi,
was stupid decision and I regret it, to explain it I just must say that I didnt had the time to finish the ladder since I came away in weekend and decided to play TuZeR with his smurf. I just regret it was mostly due to a lack of time since I was losing 3 days of the ladder, I tryed and I failed.It's deserved. I dont search escuses or anything just want to apologize to every players and the organizers of this tour.
Have fun to everyone and good luck to the players.
Did you think you deserved to be in the top48 and got denied just by having not enough time?
Honestly these are really low motives! At least you phrased an excuse without excusing yourself -saving a last bit of honor.
I am honestly pissed with people feeling to have the right to decide who deserves to be in the TSL - i mean both the abusers and their "fanboys"! Who are you to decide that dedication is worth less than (partly subjective) ability?
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lol, people know none of them are actually sorry for abusing right?
They`re only sorry for getting caught.
There`s probably also other abusers that aren`t caught. They could easily ask their friends to give them free wins. As long as the IP isn`t the same as anyone in TSL there`s no way for them to get caught.
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wish i knew so many D-bags where going to get banned... becasue i made a bad call.. tryed to win 1 more game to make sure i was going to be safe becasue the points were going up so fast.. then went on a sick slump ^_^ and bye bye me in tsl~
anyways sad to see so many "respectable" non koreans have to result to cheating .. what are you guys thinking.. and better yet.. making excueses for HAVING TO CHEAT? what a load of crap!
shame on you all.
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There should be a special mini-tournament for spots number 49-60 and all the cheaters. Whoever is left alive gets a spot on the TSL. Make it interesting  .
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On December 14 2009 11:53 hacpee wrote:There should be a special mini-tournament for spots number 49-60 and all the cheaters. Whoever is left alive gets a spot on the TSL. Make it interesting .
fuck you - giving cheaters another chance to qualify for the TSL - WTF?!
I cant see how sooo many people seem to think cheating is "not soo bad"...
Doping/Cheating is destroying professional sports!
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Dimaga... No!!! Awwww. Well, at least the admins are on the ball...
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I feel bad for the admins having now to go through all of mamon's games.
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KAWAII IF U ABUSED I'LL BREAK UR BALLS OFF AND DROP THEM FOR U UNDERSTOOD?
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On December 14 2009 10:17 SarenS wrote:
hi,
was stupid decision and I regret it, to explain it I just must say that I didnt had the time to finish the ladder since I came away in weekend and decided to play TuZeR with his smurf. I just regret it was mostly due to a lack of time since I was losing 3 days of the ladder, I tryed and I failed.It's deserved. I dont search escuses or anything just want to apologize to every players and the organizers of this tour.
Have fun to everyone and good luck to the players.
What a pathetic excuse, as if having more time also means that you would've made it for sure, such arrogance.
Here's an idea, if you're actually sorry maybe you should leave out the bullshit. Yeah we're all real sorry for you that you were too busy taking a fucking vacation to make the ladder lol.
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On December 14 2009 11:07 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 10:55 d_so wrote:On December 14 2009 09:19 arb wrote:On December 14 2009 02:02 dshsdhk wrote:
Well, I'm ReasoN and I'm posting to clarify one thing, that TSL2 could have been one of the best online events of all time, if there weren't some extremely idiot rules, like forbidding smurfs, obviously the talented and famous players had a disvantage , especially those who were able to get excellent stats, and we, that did that, were praticaly dodged and ignored of the ladder, just in the most important fase (B+, A- above), with that we were unable or delayed pretty bad of getting a better rank (i didnt have 6hours per day to find people to play), and our unique solution would be playing with koreans (and that woudlnt be fair).
After spending hours trying to get games and being dodged and ignored by 99% of players, we got really in despair, and without thinking of the consequences we try to get some wins in a irregular way, which really hasn't changed anything in my situation (and the other tops that did the same). I even had classified myself by my own merits even without those wins. Dont get me wrong, im not saying that what we did was right, we did shit, but in my point of view, many of the other players had done too, like avoiding players with good stats, or spamming games on just one matchup like i saw some guys doing. (B+ A- only zerg msg for example...)
F91, Yosh, A2, Dimaga, ReasoN, Sarens
This list shows the total TSL2 fail in these requirements, players in this category with 80%++ win percentage with indisputable level were obligated to cheat for moving up in rank, because they were getting hard time to find games, u guys should reflect on what happend in this TSL2, and improve the rules for the next one, im retired since 2007 and i just came back to play this last tournament before quit this game definitely, sad that this shit had to happen, at least i had great time beating some players that are pretty active and who thinks that they are TOPS, and then they get raped by a retired player, i can quit this game satisfacted, peace all.
TSL2 = DODGER LADDER, congrats to the dodgers, they succeeded. So basically TSL2 Failed because some faggots decided to abuse and get caught? the main problem with tsl2: after a certain point, everyone dodges to save their own rating and it becomes impossible to get a game. This is simply inaccurate. There is a constant presence of non-TSL players on iccup who rarely dodge. And the TSL players themselves were playing each other to the very end anyway. Look at match lists.
those non-TSLers who rarely dodge are for the most part koreans of whom he addresses in his post.
i don't think it's as easy as saying something is "simply inaccurate" when you look at players like F91 who complained about the same thing and felt they had to resort to cheating to gain points. Maybe if time isn't an issue it is possible to get games.
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On December 14 2009 12:44 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 11:07 Liquid`NonY wrote:On December 14 2009 10:55 d_so wrote:On December 14 2009 09:19 arb wrote:On December 14 2009 02:02 dshsdhk wrote:
Well, I'm ReasoN and I'm posting to clarify one thing, that TSL2 could have been one of the best online events of all time, if there weren't some extremely idiot rules, like forbidding smurfs, obviously the talented and famous players had a disvantage , especially those who were able to get excellent stats, and we, that did that, were praticaly dodged and ignored of the ladder, just in the most important fase (B+, A- above), with that we were unable or delayed pretty bad of getting a better rank (i didnt have 6hours per day to find people to play), and our unique solution would be playing with koreans (and that woudlnt be fair).
After spending hours trying to get games and being dodged and ignored by 99% of players, we got really in despair, and without thinking of the consequences we try to get some wins in a irregular way, which really hasn't changed anything in my situation (and the other tops that did the same). I even had classified myself by my own merits even without those wins. Dont get me wrong, im not saying that what we did was right, we did shit, but in my point of view, many of the other players had done too, like avoiding players with good stats, or spamming games on just one matchup like i saw some guys doing. (B+ A- only zerg msg for example...)
F91, Yosh, A2, Dimaga, ReasoN, Sarens
This list shows the total TSL2 fail in these requirements, players in this category with 80%++ win percentage with indisputable level were obligated to cheat for moving up in rank, because they were getting hard time to find games, u guys should reflect on what happend in this TSL2, and improve the rules for the next one, im retired since 2007 and i just came back to play this last tournament before quit this game definitely, sad that this shit had to happen, at least i had great time beating some players that are pretty active and who thinks that they are TOPS, and then they get raped by a retired player, i can quit this game satisfacted, peace all.
TSL2 = DODGER LADDER, congrats to the dodgers, they succeeded. So basically TSL2 Failed because some faggots decided to abuse and get caught? the main problem with tsl2: after a certain point, everyone dodges to save their own rating and it becomes impossible to get a game. This is simply inaccurate. There is a constant presence of non-TSL players on iccup who rarely dodge. And the TSL players themselves were playing each other to the very end anyway. Look at match lists. those non-TSLers who rarely dodge are for the most part koreans of whom he addresses in his post. i don't think it's as easy as saying something is "simply inaccurate" when you look at players like F91 who complained about the same thing and felt they had to resort to cheating to gain points. Maybe if time isn't an issue it is possible to get games.
Firstly F91 was offered to use a smurf account, why he denied this but then chose to cheat instead is just beyond me.
And the thing is, if you are one of the best foreign 48 players, you HAD ENOUGH time, and if people who might be a bit worse than you skillwise but put in more time then they deserve that spot and you dont.
Also why would you pick F91 as a special case, he's also just one of the cheaters and he reported about his problems just AFTER he got caught.
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I wonder if there'll be more
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