EPTDQs: Dimaga, Reason, Sarens, Vasilisk - Page 24
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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KwarK
United States44398 Posts
On December 14 2009 15:24 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: The rules failed, that's why. KwarK did a ton wrong. He played his own clan mates multiple times, only played people he knew he could beat, until he was caught. Then he started playing other people 2-3 ranks lower them himself. That's not a legit way to work up a ladder, I'm sorry. That I played clan mates is neither here nor there. They weren't throwing games and they got their ranks legitimately. Furthermore I got losses from many of them. However to avoid incidents like this I was asking to stop playing them. I then went on to continue to win points, my high point was a fair bit above the end of playing team mates. As for playing people worse than myself, either that's a compliment to me or an insult to a lot of good players. I sought out games against Machine, LZGamer, Oystein, Octzerg, Zergraptor, Fluffy etc. Now either they're all shit players ready to be farmed by any noob or I can actually play this game. I also played long series with Dimaga, Mondragon, Drone, Avi etc all of whom are better players than me. Next time take a look at my match list before bitching. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On December 14 2009 15:24 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: The rules failed, that's why. KwarK did a ton wrong. He played his own clan mates multiple times, only played people he knew he could beat, until he was caught. Then he started playing other people 2-3 ranks lower them himself. That's not a legit way to work up a ladder, I'm sorry. While it might not be the most legit display of skill level, you have to take into perspective that there's so much money on the line here. People will do whatever they can to get in. So what if Kwark played lower ranked players to point boost? As long as it's within the rules, so be it. It takes time to play such games still, and if he's gonna take the effort to do so, then let it be. It might not be completely legit, but it's perfectly understandable. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 13 2009 15:05 Chill wrote: Here's the difference, Kwark. I comment on the topic and people's replies. You always, always enter a thread to talk about yourself. It's getting so tired. | ||
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integral
United States3161 Posts
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kdog3683
United States916 Posts
That's why your record is what it is. B/c you didn't have the opportunity to just bash every single player worse than you. | ||
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KwarK
United States44398 Posts
On December 14 2009 16:29 kdog3683 wrote: Kwark, you stomped shitty players. Before every game, you check their stats don't lie. The reason you have such a shitty record is sometimes there wasn't a single shitty player who wanted to play you after your numerous whispers. Thus, you HAD to play someone decent. Lz...avi...oystein, etc. That's why your record is what it is. B/c you didn't have the opportunity to just bash every single player worse than you. Well, given your information of absolutely nothing you could speculate about this stuff. Or you could stfu. That'd work too. Or if you really care you could pm Oystein and ask him who was pestering who for games. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Reputation still seems to be something important.. Im just really shocked about it. Not so much about the fact that they did do it. People cheat. Thats part of the game unfortunately. But what reason for ? Especially yosh and dimaga who were ranked so highly.. Its just beyond me.. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10978 Posts
What I really don't get is why people that would qualify cheat/abuse just to play no or less qualifiers. That’s just utterly retarded. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
To be honest, I haven't read all 24 + 20ish pages or replies about all the current DQ's, but from what I can gather people tried to slip in free wins here and their from smurf accounts to boost their overall rating. While this level of cheating really doesn't reflect on a persons character (imo) of course they are going to be banned for it. Really, there is no other competition like this for foreigners, nothing even close. I almost can sympathize with why they would do it. Its the one chance in several years for them to get their name out there and get some recognition. I dont have the skills to reach super high ranks on Iccup so I can only imagine the pressure they were working under (especially since there was no limit on the amount of games you could play). In conclusion, banning them is the obvious and correct choice, but I don't think people should disown them as valuable players and contributors to the community. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On December 13 2009 22:36 Boblion wrote: edit: i wonder if it was Tuzer or Ninja who played on complexity- o,o On December 14 2009 10:17 SarenS wrote: was stupid decision and I regret it, to explain it I just must say that I didnt had the time to finish the ladder since I came away in weekend and decided to play TuZeR with his smurf. Tuzer  Seriously i don't know what saddens me more. The fact that respected players cheated, the fact that they did it in the most obvious and retarded way, the fact that the level of the tournament will be lowered and people i liked will be missing, or legit players that might have been be able to get in top48 but who rage-reseted won't have a spot. Sad sad day. The irony is that with the exception of Vassilik and the Polish guy they could have all have got a spot in top 48 without abusing. edit: Btw i don't understand SarenS why you didn't play Tuzer legitimely if you needed that much those last 200 pts. Yea people would have called it "cheap wins" but you are better than him and could have win easily without abusing and get your spot. Kwark played many of his friends too... If he played you from his house you wouldn't have been DQed edit: It was you or Tuzer who achieved the B rank on Tank18 ? | ||
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sword_siege
United States624 Posts
PS -- Threads like this gave birth to a random auto match making system, aka War 3's ladder. While not perfect either it definitely was a step in the right direction. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On December 14 2009 17:11 HuskyTheHusky wrote: While this level of cheating really doesn't reflect on a persons character (imo) of course they are going to be banned for it. How does abusing to a higher rank in a tournament not reflect on your character? The TSL has clearly defined rules that are the same for all players, trying to get an unfair advantage over the other competitors (especially in a tourney with almost 30k prize money) makes you a fucking scumbag. | ||
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
On December 14 2009 17:44 sword_siege wrote: It's safe to say that the ladder system was not perfect but it was damn good, a lot better than a direct invite. PS -- Threads like this gave birth to a random auto match making system, aka War 3's ladder. While not perfect either it definitely was a step in the right direction. I 100% agree.. cant wait till sc2 gives me a auto match making system  | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
On December 14 2009 17:56 Lz wrote: I 100% agree.. cant wait till sc2 gives me a auto match making system Agreed here from a spectators point of view. Not only will people not be able to fix games (as easily), people will also not be able to abuse their way into a higher spot than they deserve by dodging specific maps, matchups and players. A ladder in general is a way to match opponents of equal playing strength, nothing more. As such, using a ladder to determine qualifiers will only work when the contestants play fairly. This includes playing all matchups, maps and other players of the same rank. It was therefore really saddening to see certain players with only 1 matchup in the last three pages of their matchlist. Even if this sort of matchup-dodgery doesn't get accompanied by other forms of dodging, it's still a way to propel the player to a higher spot on the ladder than he deserves. While it may not have been against the written rules of the TSL, all the dodging that was going on was certainly against the spirit of the competition. I have lost a lot of respect for the players that (tried to) map/matchup/player-dodge their way into the TSL. On a more positive note, by the time we reach the Ro16 most if not all of the dodgers will be out and only the most deserving players will remain. Looking forward to some epic encounters! :-) | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 14 2009 16:29 kdog3683 wrote: Kwark, you stomped shitty players. Before every game, you check their stats don't lie. The reason you have such a shitty record is sometimes there wasn't a single shitty player who wanted to play you after your numerous whispers. Thus, you HAD to play someone decent. Lz...avi...oystein, etc. That's why your record is what it is. B/c you didn't have the opportunity to just bash every single player worse than you. 1) 90% of people who are talking shit about Kwark are doing it based on word of mouth. I would venture to guess that a very small fraction of them either a) got dodged or b) actually bothered to check his games. Unless you fall in either category (and I'll hazard a guess and say you don't), you really are in no position to question Kwark. 2) None of this is even relevant to the issue at hand. ZZangDreamJoy made an ad hominem attack on Kwark, that somehow didn't get called out. Hell, the post: On December 14 2009 14:44 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: First of all, of course Ret would try to get that investigated upon. I think it was more of his own fear of running into F91, as his ZvZ is somewhat suspect atm, then him wanting the TSL to be cheat free. And second of all, your one to talk about abuse. You played tons of games vs people 2-3 ranks lower, your own clan mates, etc. You didn't deserve to be in the TSL either. ...doesn't even make any attempt to address Kwark's logic. All it does is question Ret's motives, and BM Kwark. For all the bitching about Kwark making the thread about him, it seems to me in the last few pages other people are making it about him more than Kwark himself is. | ||
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
On December 13 2009 21:00 general.snus wrote: GJ admins! keep it clean! | ||
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win8282
Korea (South)454 Posts
User was warned for this post. Please stop turning the thread off topic about one person. Thanks. | ||
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duckhunt
Canada311 Posts
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