I think this rule is ridiculous tbh. It raises alot of questions about the definition of exactly what growing up in a location with a professional Starcraft scene does for you. I mean, since years back foreigners have played with koreans on battle.net, we have been able to view vod:s and replays for a long time now and the only difference koreans (the ones on pro-teams mind you) is that they train and talk strategy together with people who also are awesome at Starcraft.

If I would have grown up in England it wouldn't make me David Beckham if we talk soccer.

I would agree with this rule IF he was affiliated with a pro-team. And hell, Idra is playing on a pro-team and so is ret.

What this boils down to imo is just a totally unnecessary and not very constructive way of creating more division between something so arbitrary like different countries. The way I see it, this issue is not too far from prejudice and racism. I know it's not intentional and you don't mean it like that, but I have a hard time understanding how you can accept Idra and not nongmin.

And what exactly is the reasoning behind him not being able to play just because he goes to korea during TSL?

There is no point at all in expanding the korea/foreigner division, at all.

alexpnd

Canada1857 Posts

November 15 2009 00:04 GMT

#363

On November 15 2009 08:26 Foucault wrote:
There is no point at all in expanding the korea/foreigner division, at all.

If Koll and company have the honor to play vs pro SC'ers why not play against Nongmin? Idra, ret, rekrul, artosis, live in korea and i'm sure they have the opportunity to participate. They can play the pc bangs and have the same resources as nongmin, even more so Idra has the convenience of LIVING in a pro house. So why the exclusion? It's too easy.

Foucault

Sweden2826 Posts

November 15 2009 00:28 GMT

#364

On November 12 2009 19:20 Zona wrote:

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And it is possible, although not definite, that winning the prize money will diminish his motivation in Korea.

Seriously, if Idra would win TSL2 (and a huge load of cash) and BM his way through the tournament insulting players left and right, it would be a disgrace for e-sports.

There needs to be some rules regarding manner, there are in every sports.

ThePhan2m

Norway2751 Posts

November 15 2009 00:35 GMT

#365

I somewhat agree with people that say that Idra should not be allowed to participate. He has been give then chance in korea for the past 2 years to prove himself, he has won several other tours easily. He becomes a foregin player that takes home all the cash in every tour cuz of his 2 years in korea. Whats the point of this tour if its so obviously going to Idra or atleast Idra has a clear advantage due to his practice time in Korea. Would he been allowed to participate IF he had had more success in korea the past year? Propably not? is it only because he has not had any luck in korean events or the team that he is allowed??

KwarK

United States44415 Posts

November 15 2009 01:16 GMT

#366

I approve of this decision because I don't like those slanty eyes. I'm glad tl shares my views that this kind of thing should be aryan only.

bEsT[Alive]

606 Posts

November 15 2009 02:04 GMT

#367

I'm amazed at some people's reading comprehension in this thread. wow

KwarK, ziiiing!

Doso

Germany769 Posts

November 15 2009 02:38 GMT

#368

So you don't allow Nongmin to play in the TSL since he is living in Korea and is an amateur player.
But you allow Idra, who is living in Korea and is a Pro-Player to play.

Seriously... what?

KwarK

United States44415 Posts

November 15 2009 02:59 GMT

#369

On November 15 2009 11:38 Doso wrote:
So you don't allow Nongmin to play in the TSL since he is living in Korea and is grew up in a progaming country.
But you allow Idra, who is living in Korea and did not grow up in a progaming country.

Seriously... how am I not getting this?

Ethelis

United States2400 Posts

November 15 2009 03:15 GMT

#370

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=102991

Ranked foreigners in terms of most winnings in 2009:

1st: IdrA - $6,800 total
2nd: White-Ra - $4,500
3rd: Ret - $3,300 total
4th: DIMAGA - $1,550
5th: CaStrO - $800

just some random figures

Chrispy

Canada5878 Posts

November 15 2009 04:50 GMT

#371

Doesn't feel right that Nongmin isn't allowed to participate because he is a member of this community. I understand that this is a primarily foreigner only tournament, but still... it's not like he is living in a progaming house.

I mean, if he lived in a progaming house and got paid to practice I could understand, but he plays for the love of the game just like any other foreigner.

+ Show Spoiler +

Sorry for the use of Italics, I was having fun.

Sc2ggRise

United States607 Posts

November 15 2009 05:38 GMT

#372

i love nongmin's stream but a good (read:hard) decision was made in the end, in my opinion.

idra is a 100% separate argument that is irrelevant to the nongmin argument...

integral

United States3161 Posts

November 15 2009 06:06 GMT

#373

Just read the whole thread, wanted to thank the TL staff for being patient and reasonable in the face of adversity over an obviously difficult decision. I usually despise authority because I don't find those in authority respectable, but I suppose because TL staff have so little authority to abuse for personal gain (lol it's just a forum) you guys handle it pretty well. Kudos.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36402 Posts

November 15 2009 06:29 GMT

#374

If Idra was Korean (assuming he was still born in US, then moved to Korea to be on eStro/CJ) he'd still be allowed to play. If Nongmin was a white guy born in Korea and then came to US for a few years and then moved back to Korea during TSL, he'd still be not allowed to play.

Please stop the racism accusations.

Weryeery

288 Posts

November 15 2009 06:56 GMT

#375

I understand the rule to avoid all korean amateurs players to get in TSL, but i dont get why u just treat nongmin like every other korean amateur when he is definitly a part of TL comunity.

Re-Play-

Dominican Republic825 Posts

November 15 2009 08:13 GMT

#376

On November 12 2009 11:48 Jonoman92 wrote:
God people are so retarded at reading sometimes...

I think it is somewhat unfair that IdrA, who has been a member of a progaming team for some months now is being allowed to play while Nongmin, who has never been on a pro team, isn't. I mean, it's clear that IdrA has an advantage over every other participant.

Also just curious, if some "pro" Chinese player like PJ could play without lag would they be allowed? Or is China's scene considered pro. I assume you are considering China to have a proscene otherwise you may as well have saved some characters and written Korea.

agreed

ghostWriter

United States3302 Posts

November 15 2009 08:31 GMT

#377

I hate those slanty eyed people as much as the next person does, but these rules seem a bit biased. It's like you went out of your way to look for a way to exclude nongminzerg, while granting exceptions for all the 'veteran' foreigners and allowing them to play.

_awake_

196 Posts

November 15 2009 08:46 GMT

#378

can't an exception be made for nongmin? if he has a static IP in Korea and continues to stream games, then couldn't his identity be verified? nongmin being a special exception, much like Idra and ret, would stop the flood of amateur Koreans flooding in.

PokePill

United States1048 Posts

November 15 2009 09:07 GMT

#379

I have a question,

Would Idra be allowed to play if he became a top 10 player in the Korea scene?

Kennigit