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Calgary25979 Posts
I know it wasn't a martyr. I've gone through a lengthy back and forth with him via PM. A lot of the stuff that happened with him was behind closed doors.
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Wow. I could not read his previous post. I tried very hard but I could not get past the first few lines.
Also, his map thread is awful. I don't think I've ever had such a problem navigating a post before.
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On January 26 2011 07:36 Chill wrote:I know it wasn't a martyr. I've gone through a lengthy back and forth with him via PM. A lot of the stuff that happened with him was behind closed doors.
I just don't understand his angle in that post, as Zatic pointed out right away he was condemning people for posting incoherently!?!? Was he a ridiculously awful troll, or just that stupid? Too bad Mani hit the 30day button instead of the perm that time :/
Anyways, solid ban imo. 
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Netherlands19133 Posts
BTW just saw this in the pics thread Show nested quote +Any posts in this thread which constitute any form of arguing or setting a negative tone will be moderated. The same applies for any post in this thread that lacks a (funny) picture. Stick to the rules, retribution will be swift. WOOOOOOWW niiice
I live to serve my sleepy busriding friend xD.
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On January 26 2011 05:11 beetlelisk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 07:59 SiguR wrote:On January 24 2011 17:23 beetlelisk wrote:On January 24 2011 16:05 SiguR wrote:On January 21 2011 22:40 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 21 2011 11:35 huameng wrote:On January 21 2011 09:57 bkrow wrote:FXOpen was just temp banned for 2 days by FakeSteve[TPR].
That account was created on 2010-11-03 13:23:18 and had 141 posts.
Reason: kind of an asshole! I couldn't find the post that got this guy banned.. not questioning you Mr Steve just curious Just search for posts made by him that contain "banned for this post". Because I was there might as well... On January 21 2011 08:47 FXOpen wrote:On January 21 2011 08:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On January 21 2011 08:31 FXOpen wrote:
On the side note of hacking, it was brood war.. Who cares? Those judging him on the past should truely get over themselves. He is a good player without hacks, has proven that, so seriously, stop it. spades is a homie but this sort of post is obnoxiously stupid. a whole bunch of people don't think there's a wipe clean of the slate just because it's a new game. if your answer to that is "those people need to get over themselves", then you're a complete retard and I don't want you participating in discussions here. if you're gonna have an opinion, you'd better be willing to back it up better than that, or you shouldn't post. Wow rage much? I own an e-Sports team. Hacking is hacking yes. But the guy is good end of story. I don't support hacking, or hackers. But theres a whole lot of comments about it where people clearly need to get over themselves.. Yours included. By the way, I can lick my elbows and I can kick myself in the back of my head.. I guess I must be retarded. Now, GET OVER YOURSELF. User was temp banned for this post. Well, he has been called a retard. That usually provokes people a little bit. No matter how stupid he may sound expressing his opinions, calling him a retard in public is too much. Also, Mr. Steves post was way more aggressive than his. Except writing in caps deserves capital punishment (pun intended) now. Agreed. I was actually really weirded out by FXOpen getting banned. Fakesteves post before was completely inflammatory in my eyes. FXopen was trying to be positive in a very negative thread and an admin called him out with a post that would have been warn-worthy if anyone but an admin had written it. It's not very fair to call someone a retard for an arguably unjustified reason and then just ban them when they say something back. I bet you've never lost to a hacker in a tournament. I bet you've never played in any tournament in the first place. Maybe you've missed this thread too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158007 First of all, my experience in tournaments has nothing to do with the topic. Though if you want to shoot yourself in the foot, be my guest. I've played in a number of tournaments and taken first place in the M/M tournament during beta by beating a player in the finals who was later confirmed to be getting information from the stream. I dropped a number of games to him that I would put down to his cheating. Not quite hacking, but pretty similar. Not that it matters in the first place though. My experience with hackers/cheaters does not change the fact that fxopen was banned for questionable reasons. I don't know why you brought it up in the first place. Regardless of how stupid or flawed you may feel FXOpens argument/post was, his first post was not ban-worthy. He was then verbally degraded by an admin because the admin didn't like his opinion, and then banned when he responded with a similar tone to that of the admin. I think it's pretty clear Steve could be warned/banned for his post calling him a retard if he weren't an admin. FXopen did not really escalate anything, yet he was banned. You clearly have no idea what that ban was all about. First lose to a hacker in a major tournament and then feel free to start defending him and anyone else who wants him in his roster. This doesn't go the other way around. Until then you are shooting yourself in the foot lol. hahahahah edit: I just realised something else. Even though I gave you a link to the thread saying new hacks are just a matter of time, you still seem not to be worried about hackers. Not only in tournaments but also on the ladder. And not all of them are that dumb to make their hacking obvious. If you want to realise how big of a threat they are to both competitive gaming and gaming for fun only after you've dealt with significant amount of them then it's yours and only yours way of approach. BTW just saw this in the pics thread Show nested quote +Any posts in this thread which constitute any form of arguing or setting a negative tone will be moderated. The same applies for any post in this thread that lacks a (funny) picture. Stick to the rules, retribution will be swift. WOOOOOOWW niiice
Okay. This is a little bit frustrating. I don't know how to rephrase what I wrote to explain my point to you further, but you clearly aren't getting it. I'm talking about someone being provoked and banned, and you are talking about the threat of hackers to competitive starcraft. Hacking was related to the topic of the banned post, but his opinion on hacking was not why he was banned, as far as I am aware.
After re-reading the thread, I do think FXopen left admins with little choice after his second post, so there's no fault to admins in that regard. However, I am concerned with how his second post came about. His first post, in my opinion, wasn't that bad if you read the pages of the thread before it. Though it was certainly borderline.
I should also state that I am aware that what makes a post bannable is something that is to be decided by TL staff, and my opinion is kind of irrelevant. I felt I should speak my concerns though.
Regardless, as Chill's post explained this isn't where my issue should be discussed, i won't post any further on the topic.
To chill: As your post came after mine, I'm assuming that the admins/you are aware of my concern and I don't need to PM anyone to raise the issue?
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IdrA was just temp banned for 1 week by Nyovne.
That account was created on 2004-07-31 20:59:50 and had 10947 posts.
Reason: Don't be taking the piss with that sig. Remove it upon return asap, and while you're at it leave the incessant balance whining wherever you spend your next week.
Show some respect for a change, especially to someone who has earned it again and again in this community.
didn't take him long to return to his favorite list ^^
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On January 26 2011 23:50 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +IdrA was just temp banned for 1 week by Nyovne.
That account was created on 2004-07-31 20:59:50 and had 10947 posts.
Reason: Don't be taking the piss with that sig. Remove it upon return asap, and while you're at it leave the incessant balance whining wherever you spend your next week.
Show some respect for a change, especially to someone who has earned it again and again in this community. didn't take him long to return to his favorite list ^^
On January 26 2011 22:37 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 21:47 Sfydjklm wrote:On January 26 2011 21:24 Moonloop wrote:On January 26 2011 20:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On January 26 2011 20:40 Moonloop wrote:On January 26 2011 17:22 Sfydjklm wrote:
The real problem most zergs are facing are not imbalances, but the lack of inspiration, the lack of heroes, the lack of victorious zergs that can give you motivation. It's like being a person of color in the early years of post segregated america. While you seem to have all the rights you need to be great on paper there is still a lack of observable success, and the same kind of hopeless feeling of being cornered.
. What? NesTea is one of the greatest players in the world right now, and won GSL2. FruitDealer was an absolute hero for zerg, and won GSL1. IdrA is arguably the most famous (and, IMO, the best) foreign SC2 player. I know Zergs aren't doing well in other tournaments besides the GSL, but thats not the point here. Think about how inspired zergs were when FruitDealer crushed everyone in GSL1. Zerg have the MOST heroes and inspiration out of any race. I really don't see how you think they're lacking. =/ How could any zerg not be inspired by FruitDealer's tribute video? Protoss don't have any videos like that. *whine* Yes but that was in season 2 of GSL. Forever ago. Besides at some point you realize you can never be as good as Nestea and all you want is the knowledge that it's a fair game and your race is capable of winning at any bracket of skill. A conviction that zerg's are deprived of. Also never really was impressed by FD's GSL 1 victory. His opponents in the last rounds played like shit. I was more impressed by his post GSL 1 play both wins and losses alike he played phenomenal. That's your opinion though - you also said 'most zergs' in your original post. I would argue that 'most zergs' were inspired by FruitDealer's win. I know Rainbow played terribly, but still - FruitDealer was just better than all his opponents, and won the most prestigious SC2 tournament at a time when zergs were weakest. Maybe you're not personally inspired by the people I named, but I think many players are. I can see where you're coming from, and I agree that Zerg is weak at the moment, but I stand by my opinion that of all three races, Zerg have the most heroes. I'm not arguing with what you said. I am saying that GSL 2 was forever ago and bottom line is GSL S1 and 2 are now irrelevant. It just the nature of time and it's pointless to argue. And tbh WhiteRa is a bigger hero then pretty much anyone else in esports  Man if Dimaga was winning i think there would be a lot less complaining going on. Being a hero is not just about winning its about the attitude too. A few weeks ago BratOk said that Dimaga was "depressed" about the current zerg situation and hence not performing well. I mean i dunno how liberal his use of the word was in that case but thinking about how severe something has to be to make someone as ridiculously positive as Dimaga depressed makes me depressed I lol every high level english speaking zerg is on the brink of actual depression or a race switch i wasnt kidding when i said i stopped practicing because the damage to my mental state was worse than lacking practice.
Yeah, the post it self isn't that bad, but his sig is "u mad manifesto"... LOL classic IdrA :p
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Is it really necessary to keep banning IdrA for every little thing. I can understand some people's frustration with him but it seems to be getting almost petty at this point... It just seems sometimes like some people need a little bit thicker skin.
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On January 26 2011 23:50 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +IdrA was just temp banned for 1 week by Nyovne.
That account was created on 2004-07-31 20:59:50 and had 10947 posts.
Reason: Don't be taking the piss with that sig. Remove it upon return asap, and while you're at it leave the incessant balance whining wherever you spend your next week.
Show some respect for a change, especially to someone who has earned it again and again in this community. didn't take him long to return to his favorite list ^^
I think I know what his favorite meme is...
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On January 27 2011 00:14 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 23:50 SmoKim wrote:IdrA was just temp banned for 1 week by Nyovne.
That account was created on 2004-07-31 20:59:50 and had 10947 posts.
Reason: Don't be taking the piss with that sig. Remove it upon return asap, and while you're at it leave the incessant balance whining wherever you spend your next week.
Show some respect for a change, especially to someone who has earned it again and again in this community. didn't take him long to return to his favorite list ^^ Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 22:37 IdrA wrote:On January 26 2011 21:47 Sfydjklm wrote:On January 26 2011 21:24 Moonloop wrote:On January 26 2011 20:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On January 26 2011 20:40 Moonloop wrote:On January 26 2011 17:22 Sfydjklm wrote:
The real problem most zergs are facing are not imbalances, but the lack of inspiration, the lack of heroes, the lack of victorious zergs that can give you motivation. It's like being a person of color in the early years of post segregated america. While you seem to have all the rights you need to be great on paper there is still a lack of observable success, and the same kind of hopeless feeling of being cornered.
. What? NesTea is one of the greatest players in the world right now, and won GSL2. FruitDealer was an absolute hero for zerg, and won GSL1. IdrA is arguably the most famous (and, IMO, the best) foreign SC2 player. I know Zergs aren't doing well in other tournaments besides the GSL, but thats not the point here. Think about how inspired zergs were when FruitDealer crushed everyone in GSL1. Zerg have the MOST heroes and inspiration out of any race. I really don't see how you think they're lacking. =/ How could any zerg not be inspired by FruitDealer's tribute video? Protoss don't have any videos like that. *whine* Yes but that was in season 2 of GSL. Forever ago. Besides at some point you realize you can never be as good as Nestea and all you want is the knowledge that it's a fair game and your race is capable of winning at any bracket of skill. A conviction that zerg's are deprived of. Also never really was impressed by FD's GSL 1 victory. His opponents in the last rounds played like shit. I was more impressed by his post GSL 1 play both wins and losses alike he played phenomenal. That's your opinion though - you also said 'most zergs' in your original post. I would argue that 'most zergs' were inspired by FruitDealer's win. I know Rainbow played terribly, but still - FruitDealer was just better than all his opponents, and won the most prestigious SC2 tournament at a time when zergs were weakest. Maybe you're not personally inspired by the people I named, but I think many players are. I can see where you're coming from, and I agree that Zerg is weak at the moment, but I stand by my opinion that of all three races, Zerg have the most heroes. I'm not arguing with what you said. I am saying that GSL 2 was forever ago and bottom line is GSL S1 and 2 are now irrelevant. It just the nature of time and it's pointless to argue. And tbh WhiteRa is a bigger hero then pretty much anyone else in esports Man if Dimaga was winning i think there would be a lot less complaining going on. Being a hero is not just about winning its about the attitude too. A few weeks ago BratOk said that Dimaga was "depressed" about the current zerg situation and hence not performing well. I mean i dunno how liberal his use of the word was in that case but thinking about how severe something has to be to make someone as ridiculously positive as Dimaga depressed makes me depressed I lol every high level english speaking zerg is on the brink of actual depression or a race switch i wasnt kidding when i said i stopped practicing because the damage to my mental state was worse than lacking practice. Yeah, the post it self isn't that bad, but his sig is "u mad manifesto"... LOL classic IdrA :p
Oh dear, having a snide meme aimed at manifesto... Yep classic IdrA, suprised it was not a perm this time.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
wow Baskerville...lol IdrA.
seriously though no one can ever hate on Mani....other than the guys he perm'd
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Mani should have changed his sig to "u mad idra" that would have added a nice sting to the ban :D
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mani should have changed his sig to "u mad idra" that would have added a nice sting to the ban :D
Yeah, but then he wouldn't be Mani anymore, and not as deserving of the respect we all give him.
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Mani is too mature for that kinda stuff I think.
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On January 27 2011 01:42 Megaliskuu wrote:
Mani is too mature for that kinda stuff I think.
Too mature to get back at idra is... Mature in a way that totally blows my mind
I for sure would have taken the chance to sting back, only a little bit though.
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I'm getting scared that Idra might actually get a permanent ban one day.  That would be so sad.
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Netherlands19133 Posts
Let me elaborate and clarify here just so you don't get me wrong, I chuckled but that just isn't the way to allow users to act after comming back from a ban. When the first thing to do after your ban expires is to flip off the mod that banned you isn't an acceptable precedent even when it's funny. Just lacks any kind of respect or repentance about your actions (Yeah it's Idra who am I even kidding here).
This especially counts here where in my opinion it's aimed against the most respectable moderator on these boards who is very dilligent in his moderation actions and the severity of the penalties he imposes upon transgressing community members.
If you ever desire to become a respected member of this community with aspiratations of becomming a member of this site's staff, Manifesto is the one to emulate, not this rebel without a cause (well excluding buffing zerg obviously -.-).
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On January 27 2011 01:39 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 01:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mani should have changed his sig to "u mad idra" that would have added a nice sting to the ban :D Yeah, but then he wouldn't be Mani anymore, and not as deserving of the respect we all give him.
Yeah you're probably right best keep above the fray.
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Netherlands19133 Posts
Oleksandr was just banned by Nyovne. That account was created on 2010-07-17 10:07:19 and had 227 posts. Reason: 7 moderation actions in less then 230 posts in less then 6 months. I can imagine how you feel this way.
Permed, 7 bans and warnings in under 6 months time in less then 230 posts and then posting that. Amazing tact. Just to point out it's not just for that single comment.
Let me take this opportunity to report a recent post by Chill to further reflect upon bans and situations such as this.
Again, I urge people to PM a moderator directly to resolve any problems. If they're being unreasonable, take it past them to another moderator for a second opinion, or take it above them to an administrator. You can always find who to contact in the staff roster thread. We take complaints against moderation very seriously. If the claim is justified, it usually ends up with a big verbal gang beating in the staff forums. So I'm not going to pretend like moderators haven't made mistakes. HOWEVER... This guy had 77 comments, with a 2-day ban and a strategy forum permanent ban from 6 consecutive closed threads from the SC2 strategy forum. Here are the threads, in the interest of full-disclosure: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155911http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=164913http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165345http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168507http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170644http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170652http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170644http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170656http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171715http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187557And there's also this throwaway thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=170646Anyways, at this point I'm getting tired of going through all the shitty threads this guy opened. Outside of his own topics, this guy made 5 posts. That's 72 posts for himself, 5 for someone else. He used TL like a information vacuum, opening a ridiculous amount of threads with simplistic questions expecting people to do work for him. That's unacceptable here.
If common sense is lacking in your personality, make sure you heed that post where it concerns situations such as this.
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