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On August 22 2011 18:31 mbr2321 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 18:13 Redox wrote:
One of the dumbest threads I have seen in a while. I completely disagree. The OP was insightful, thought-provoking, and a refreshing change of pace from the usual crap-tastically written tripe that most moronic posters bring. Destiny is one of the most popular players outside of Korea right now and he doesn't have a team-- this thread is highly relevant. So, basically, what I'm saying is, keep stupid posts like that to yourself.
Insightful?
There are just a few victories listed which are compared to the only two losses the OP could apparently find. And then we are supposed to make a judgement of the player based on these carefully selected results? There is not even a link to or a mentioning of his ladder results or his overall tournament results as listed in TLPD for example.
I just looked it up, he has 57 % win on NA ladder. He is ranked 297 on TLP, with less than 50% win in all 3 matchups. I think these numbers add more insight into the "value" of this player than anything in the OP.
The ranking system also seems completely arbitrary and cannot be compared to anything. The judging will either be done by fanboys or by haters. Others will simply dont care and also dont know anything about his play, because he has not been seen much in tournaments (I have seen maybe 2 games of him).
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he is a good player but his push shows how broken zerg is imo if zerg can stay on same bases as t and or p as fastest macro race and still is able 2 win there is sumthn wrong this 2 base ling inf push is rly imba
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lol ups how 2 delete lol wrong topic sry
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He is a decent player for sure with a massive fan base.. but how many players on the NA grandmaster ladder are as good or better than him? Just look at this stats in comparison to others..
Sure he can beat really good players occasionally and some not so good ones but so can most other GM players. Is a massive fan base and personality enough to get you on a good team? I would of though so but maybe not..
And yea sjow/goody/elfi (yes even elfi look at his achievements.. far better than destinys) are above destinys level definately..
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On August 22 2011 19:21 esteem wrote:
he is a good player but his push shows how broken zerg is imo if zerg can stay on same bases as t and or p as fastest macro race and still is able 2 win there is sumthn wrong this 2 base ling inf push is rly imba
Stop the whining, and spell properly. Why should zerg always have to be ahead on bases?
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He is only ranked Masters in Korea
I dont want anybody to get the idea that Masters in the Korea server is bad so im going to say this fact -
Losira is in Masters
'nuff said.
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FYI, The ratz clan is not on here to vote for?
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Destiny seems more than happy to be the most consistent streamer on TL. Every time I mouse over his stream, he'll have 4-7k viewers. If he wanted to be on a team, he would have stuck with coL, which is no small team by any margin.
Also I think he has a child to take care of, I doubt he'll want to commit to practice sessions or media events. Don't forget that Alex may have taken that into account when he argued Destiny's marketability.
While I'm no fanboy of Destiny, I just had to point out that his army control is leagues better than almost any other known Zerg. Yes, I'm including Koreans here. I guess messing around with glass-Infestors for so long has earned him that. He could definitely be more than a one-hit-wonder if he really wanted.
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On August 22 2011 13:22 TemujinGK wrote:
I agree that his style is innovative, and he should be applauded for developing such a huge fan base and streaming following. However, he currently has no impressive results to speak of in my eyes, really (practice games, show matches, and mid-tier tournaments just don't matter, unfortunately). Also, his image and personality really hold him back from becoming more of a mainstream star.
Yea, because Idra has such a winning personality right? :x
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I'm surprised 3 is so low - this is the same team that sponsors IdrA...
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I think you're giving him too much attention.
Is he really that important of a personality that threads like this are warranted? Why not discuss it in his fanclub?
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On August 22 2011 13:22 TemujinGK wrote:
I agree that his style is innovative, and he should be applauded for developing such a huge fan base and streaming following. However, he currently has no impressive results to speak of in my eyes, really (practice games, show matches, and mid-tier tournaments just don't matter, unfortunately). Also, his image and personality really hold him back from becoming more of a mainstream star.
Umm isn't he already?
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On August 22 2011 19:37 RaKooNs wrote:I dont want anybody to get the idea that Masters in the Korea server is bad so im going to say this fact - Losira is in Masters 'nuff said.
Polt is in Silver. Nestea has <50% win rate. Pro gamers don't take ladder seriously (why should they, those maps...)
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On August 22 2011 20:25 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 19:37 RaKooNs wrote:He is only ranked Masters in Korea I dont want anybody to get the idea that Masters in the Korea server is bad so im going to say this fact - Losira is in Masters 'nuff said. Polt is in Silver. Nestea has <50% win rate. Pro gamers don't take ladder seriously (why should they, those maps...)
Destiny =/= korean pro
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On August 22 2011 20:07 Bagi wrote:
I think you're giving him too much attention.
Is he really that important of a personality that threads like this are warranted? Why not discuss it in his fanclub?
That's exactly what I thought when I read the thread.
I know that Destiny has a rather large fan base due to his interesting style etc... But he does not have all that many achievements.
Also what exactly are you trying to get out of a thread like this, everyone to go OMG DESTINY AMAZING RANK HIM HIGH AND GET HIM ON A TEAM. I am a little confused, shouldn't this be in his fan thread?
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Why isn't thread like this in blogs?
on topic: I don't understand why egalex rated him poorly in marketing/personality, I mean I don't watch him, but it's his personality that made him famous and made all reddit drool over him.
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omfg these Destiny fanboys just keep popping everywhere like mushrooms. Rated 1/10 just for the annoying fanboyism.
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You people sitting here and trying to bash on EG for having idra need to take a step back and realize that idra can actually compete on a professional level.
Sure they have to weigh the good and the bad but if you take an attitude that belongs to destiny and put it next to idra and than compare skill who would you pick?
Aside from that I believe I have read multiple times even though he won't make an official statement in regards to how much he makes from streaming apparently it is enough to justify multiple hours throughout the week either as the main staple of his income or to supplement another income that he may receive from working a standard day job.
Aside from that why do we have to put so much weight into his achievements or his "marketability" I am sorry but I just do not see the point of this thread, it almost feels like some kind of highschool facebook post about someone except its a popularity contest and people are comparing e-peen sizes.
If the man just want's to stream to supplement his income and has no real interest in putting the time or dedication required to compete at a top level than why is that anyone's business and why in the world are you posting a statement made from a EG representative on the forums in some pseudo gossip mag poll on this website.
If he was on Complexity for even a tiny time period he obviously must have more skill than the majority of people that play the masters/gm level and maybe he decided the pro gaming thing just wasn't for him but either way this post seems kind of pointless and I sort of feel bad for even bumping it with my post, but whatever its here so i am posting.
I just want to say half the reason I was attracted to SC2 was because of this "amazing" community and how mature and awesome it was suppose to be and this is coming from someone who played counter-strike 1.6 for years with one of the WORST communities you can imagine but the longer I frequent these forums and see polls like this or people turning their back on NASL over some petty stuff I guess it is sinking in that this community is just like any other.
What I guess I am trying to say is I think we can put all of our energy into something a little more productive.
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I don't understand what that EGalex means about Destiny's personality holding him back. It sounds like something you say because you think everyone else thinks it's true. Idra's personality if anything helped his reputation for better or worse - and Destiny despite not having all that many tournament achievements is already one of the most popular streamers. I think it is ridiculous and somewhat unfair to bash him for his personality as he really isn't all that different - just more popular than most players. Esports grows more interesting with interesting players, and everyone shouldn't be a Korean who can't say anything but "I hope me and my opponent will play our best and show good games". Destiny isn't even Dennis Rodman of Starcraft enough for his personality to be so discussed so much in a negative manner when talking about Destiny.
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