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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 22 2011 08:28 GMT
#121
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 22 2011 08:32 GMT
#122
On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc.

Now look at their achievements:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1777_SjoW
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1221_GoOdy
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1836_elfi

and now look at Destiny's:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/2765_Destiny

Yeah.........no.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 22 2011 08:36 GMT
#123
On August 22 2011 17:32 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc.

Now look at their achievements:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1777_SjoW
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1221_GoOdy
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1836_elfi

and now look at Destiny's:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/2765_Destiny

Yeah.........no.

as i said, zerg equivalent.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 22 2011 08:42 GMT
#124
On August 22 2011 17:36 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 17:32 Telcontar wrote:
On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc.

Now look at their achievements:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1777_SjoW
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1221_GoOdy
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1836_elfi

and now look at Destiny's:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/2765_Destiny

Yeah.........no.

as i said, zerg equivalent.

Explain how they are equivalent...
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ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
August 22 2011 08:42 GMT
#125
as much of a destiny as i am (watching his stream right now, and i play toss :p) he relies on infestors too much
once they get fixed i dunno how well he'll do

sadly, another good player who doesnt seem to preform well at tournaments
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 08:51:02
August 22 2011 08:49 GMT
#126
I find that Destiny is showing a lot more effort and results compared to several members of already well known teams. I dont really want to give names, it might just be me but I feel like some players in well known teams just dont play well enough like they did before, while Destiny only shows constant (though small) improvements everytime I get on his stream.

Maybe other players are also not streaming enough, so I dont have the full picture of everyone's performance.


On August 22 2011 17:42 ThatGuy89 wrote:
as much of a destiny as i am (watching his stream right now, and i play toss :p) he relies on infestors too much
once they get fixed i dunno how well he'll do

sadly, another good player who doesnt seem to preform well at tournaments


Watching his stream, as a zerg player, I also find that his map control and creep spread is something to work on...
enecateReAP
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom378 Posts
August 22 2011 08:51 GMT
#127
On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc.


No, not at all.

He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc.
He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O

Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking.

Elfi, meh, maybe.
"Stargate units imba" - oGsMC
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
August 22 2011 08:52 GMT
#128
Will joining a team really benefit Destiny? Will it benefit his fans in any way?

Your repetitive use of 'the player formerly known as ROOT_Destiny' was pretty comical.

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Carkis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada302 Posts
August 22 2011 08:57 GMT
#129
I have to agree with Alex mainly, and i think your view of SotG is really incorrect, just because none of them are currently winning mlgs/gsls doesnt mean that their opinions mean less than someone like nestea/mc/mvp. If you see someone like Artosis as a coach in a sport they know probably more about the game then the players and Artosis also leads Sixjax and has a lot of recruitment/scouting experience. And incontrol and tyler have been prevalent members of SC bw/2 for a long time
p0lyph0ny
Profile Joined July 2011
United States217 Posts
August 22 2011 08:59 GMT
#130
team grubby

HELL YES
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
August 22 2011 08:59 GMT
#131
Joining a team would give him regular practice partners, and people who'd teach him how to play the game without relying on a strategy that hasn't been figured out quite yet.

Anyone remember Spanishiwa and how much people loved him, hyped him up to the point of ridiculousness? It's similar here. He came up with something that works reasonably well, and rode it out until it died.

Unless Destiny gets better at SC2 in general, he will not be able to progress.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 22 2011 09:04 GMT
#132
On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc.


No, not at all.

He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc.
He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O

Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking.

Elfi, meh, maybe.

Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 22 2011 09:04 GMT
#133
As far as I am concerned, Destiny does not have any great tournament results and hence he is off my radar. But if he is as good as you claim, then good results are just a matter of time, so I'll wait till that time.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 09:13:50
August 22 2011 09:13 GMT
#134
One of the dumbest threads I have seen in a while.
Off-season = best season
supdubdup
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States916 Posts
August 22 2011 09:13 GMT
#135
On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:
On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc.


No, not at all.

He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc.
He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O

Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking.

Elfi, meh, maybe.

Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level.

What's Sjow's style? I didn't even know he had one o.O.
Turn it Up
Penecks
Profile Joined August 2010
United States600 Posts
August 22 2011 09:26 GMT
#136
Like has been said, there are players on well known teams that consistently display pretty poor results, not gonna name anyone but yeah, I don't see how he's very different from some of these lower tier pros.

I'm also not sure why people call his style one dimensional, yes he uses infestors a lot, but I don't think one day someone is going to wake up and say "Great scott I've got it, here's how to never lose to infestors again!" and then Destiny will fall to bronze league or something. It's just a slightly different unit composition, the mechanics and game sense remain the same.
straight poppin
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
August 22 2011 09:31 GMT
#137
On August 22 2011 18:13 Redox wrote:
One of the dumbest threads I have seen in a while.


I completely disagree. The OP was insightful, thought-provoking, and a refreshing change of pace from the usual crap-tastically written tripe that most moronic posters bring. Destiny is one of the most popular players outside of Korea right now and he doesn't have a team-- this thread is highly relevant. So, basically, what I'm saying is, keep stupid posts like that to yourself.
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
Uriah
Profile Joined May 2010
France54 Posts
August 22 2011 09:45 GMT
#138
On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc.

The comparison can be comprehensible for GoOdy(somewhat trademark style, some shine here and there, with more LAN results though), but Sjow is able to play several styles, and posted good LAN results, elfi only made some splash recently, but during LAN (assembly Summer/Winter)...

To be honest, I don't see the point of this thread. Destiny has a good potential, that's true. But the decision to get him in a good team relies on his decision, on the perspectives he offers for the team...
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
August 22 2011 09:54 GMT
#139
On August 22 2011 17:10 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 17:04 -Archangel- wrote:
On August 22 2011 16:52 KeksX wrote:
On August 22 2011 16:50 jacksonjackson86 wrote:
On August 22 2011 16:43 KeksX wrote:
Here's a simple thought:

Imagine NesTea without Infestors.
He'd still be a freaking baller, right?


Now imagine Destiny without Infestors.
Oops.


Imagine MKP without... erm. tanks?

He'd still be... errr. herp derp.

Thats not a good comparison as MKP doesn't go 1base siegetank-only rush or something like that(at least not that I know of) but Destiny does it with infestors all the way.

Destiny has yet to prove that he can play constantly good and not just gimmicky strategies. If he does that, he'll have a way better reputation. But right now, he's just "the infestor".

EDIT:
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not judging destiny's potential or anything. But all I see is him winning with infestor-gimmicks and thats not really telling for me...

he doesn't go one base infestor. And why are infestors considered gimicky?
Is this the same stupid way of thinking that had Zerg go Roach/hydra/corruptor for months while whining at the same time?

If Infestors are gimicky then so are HT and Collosi.
Infestors are a powerful Zerg unit and they will get more powerful once more zergs learn to control them the way terrans control marines or toss blink stalkers.


He gets infestors out ASAP and then masses them(losing them, but then remassing them again :D). Whether it be on 1 base or 2base isn't really important, he does it just in a gimmicky style(doesn't scout and just goes blindly for lair etc). Maybe I'm too harsh calling it gimmicky but this is how I feel about that.

Let's not start a balance discussion or ingame-discussion as this is not the topic. It's just my opinion that he wins greatly because of the reason that he has this gimmicky playstyle around the infestor.

As soon as I see him playing solid playstyles and everything and still have decent success I'll change my mind.

@jacksonjackson86:
Yea right. Right now, people still didn't quite figure out how to beat this style. But they will eventually, and if Destiny doesn't adapt soon enough he'll be "caught off guard" pretty bad...

2base colossi. Sound familiar?
2base muta. Sound familiar?
So, how is 2base infestor gimicky?

I do not know why are you so sure that infestor play will be hardcountered in any future?!
It is just another tactic that works if the player does it well enough. Destiny beat some good Toss with this but lost to Socke and some others using this style.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
August 22 2011 09:54 GMT
#140
On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:
On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc.


No, not at all.

He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc.
He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O

Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking.

Elfi, meh, maybe.

Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level.

No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow.

Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2").
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