EPTImagine NesTea without Infestors.
He'd still be a freaking baller, right?
Now imagine Destiny without Infestors.
Oops.
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
Imagine NesTea without Infestors. He'd still be a freaking baller, right? Now imagine Destiny without Infestors. Oops. | ||
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jacksonjackson86
Australia15 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:43 KeksX wrote: Here's a simple thought: Imagine NesTea without Infestors. He'd still be a freaking baller, right? Now imagine Destiny without Infestors. Oops. Imagine MKP without... erm. tanks? He'd still be... errr. herp derp. User was warned for this post | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:50 jacksonjackson86 wrote: Imagine MKP without... erm. tanks? He'd still be... errr. herp derp. Thats not a good comparison as MKP doesn't go 1base siegetank-only rush or something like that(at least not that I know of) but Destiny does it with infestors all the way. Destiny has yet to prove that he can play constantly good and not just gimmicky strategies. If he does that, he'll have a way better reputation. But right now, he's just "the infestor". EDIT: Now don't get me wrong, I'm not judging destiny's potential or anything. But all I see is him winning with infestor-gimmicks and thats not really telling for me... | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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jacksonjackson86
Australia15 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:57 jacksonjackson86 wrote: I was being sarcastic about the "siege tanks". I was going with the angle that a player can be famous for his ability to be really good with one unit without deserving to be dismissed as "gimmicky". Oops, didn't catch that  Well yea it's true that he can be famous, but being famous doesn't entitle you to be on a progaming team. Because people will eventually find out how to crush you everytime and then it's all over for you. It would just be good for Destiny to focus on more safer and flexible strategies imho(And it's really nothing more than my opinion.). IF he manages to become solid AND keeps his gimmicky strategies alive he could become a foreign monster that would be feared. | ||
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iAmSiklee
Canada74 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:52 KeksX wrote: Thats not a good comparison as MKP doesn't go 1base siegetank-only rush or something like that(at least not that I know of) but Destiny does it with infestors all the way. Destiny has yet to prove that he can play constantly good and not just gimmicky strategies. If he does that, he'll have a way better reputation. But right now, he's just "the infestor". EDIT: Now don't get me wrong, I'm not judging destiny's potential or anything. But all I see is him winning with infestor-gimmicks and thats not really telling for me... he doesn't go one base infestor. And why are infestors considered gimicky? Is this the same stupid way of thinking that had Zerg go Roach/hydra/corruptor for months while whining at the same time? If Infestors are gimicky then so are HT and Collosi. Infestors are a powerful Zerg unit and they will get more powerful once more zergs learn to control them the way terrans control marines or toss blink stalkers. | ||
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DH_Remorse
Denmark139 Posts
On August 22 2011 13:43 viralintruder wrote: Who would EG consider a 10/10 or even a 7/10? HuK 9/10 Idra 9/10 MVP 8/10... all I know ^..^ | ||
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jshoji
54 Posts
Actions always speak louder than words Btw I don't think there should a poll regarding his skill because he is clearly a good player I think there should be a poll regarding his attitude and how it reflects on him | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:15 Plexa wrote: I personally don't like destiny's playstyle and never watch his stream, but the fact that he already has an established fan base (that is really big - based off of stream hits) makes him marketable in my book. Yes he has his personality quirks, but its those quirks which have created a cult following. On the right team, he could could really prove an influential figure and an excellent man to represent some sponsors (there are a lot of sponsors which he wouldn't suit, obviously). I disagreed with Alex's point on marketability at first, but then I thought about it, and promoting a player like Destiny would most likely bring a lot of ill attention. Sure, he has a ton of fans, but he has a lot of antifans as well because he's just not a great player who gets a lot of attention. If you try to make a big deal out of someone who doesn't deserve it, then you're just gonna be inviting a lot of criticism. Regardless of what his fans who watch his stream think, destiny isn't someone who just "hasn't broken out yet". He's at a level in tournaments where he deserves to be, and until he improves his skill level all around, he won't be getting far in tournaments. | ||
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jacksonjackson86
Australia15 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:59 KeksX wrote: Oops, didn't catch that Well yea it's true that he can be famous, but being famous doesn't entitle you to be on a progaming team. Because people will eventually find out how to crush you everytime and then it's all over for you. It would just be good for Destiny to focus on more safer and flexible strategies imho(And it's really nothing more than my opinion.). IF he manages to become solid AND keeps his gimmicky strategies alive he could become a foreign monster that would be feared. I agree. He needs to put more scores on the board in live tournies. But to be fair (to my knowledge) he hasn't played that many. And those that he has, he has had to fight his way through the open bracket, which wouldn't be easy for many top pros. His showmatches and recent online tourny results don't count for much, but they do show that people who come into games against him knowing his strategies can still go down. He's got work to do, but my feelings are pro-teams should see the potential for a beastly player and do what it takes to sign him early. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:04 -Archangel- wrote: he doesn't go one base infestor. And why are infestors considered gimicky? Is this the same stupid way of thinking that had Zerg go Roach/hydra/corruptor for months while whining at the same time? If Infestors are gimicky then so are HT and Collosi. Infestors are a powerful Zerg unit and they will get more powerful once more zergs learn to control them the way terrans control marines or toss blink stalkers. He gets infestors out ASAP and then masses them(losing them, but then remassing them again :D). Whether it be on 1 base or 2base isn't really important, he does it just in a gimmicky style(doesn't scout and just goes blindly for lair etc). Maybe I'm too harsh calling it gimmicky but this is how I feel about that. Let's not start a balance discussion or ingame-discussion as this is not the topic. It's just my opinion that he wins greatly because of the reason that he has this gimmicky playstyle around the infestor. As soon as I see him playing solid playstyles and everything and still have decent success I'll change my mind. @jacksonjackson86: Yea right. Right now, people still didn't quite figure out how to beat this style. But they will eventually, and if Destiny doesn't adapt soon enough he'll be "caught off guard" pretty bad... | ||
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jacksonjackson86
Australia15 Posts
I can't see him as being the kind of player who fades into obscurity because people all of a sudden figure out the easy fix to his play style. And if anything, his huge fanbase will urge him into improving constantly. (Such a fanboy, I know) | ||
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eclipse4343
United States11 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:10 KeksX wrote: He gets infestors out ASAP and then masses them(losing them, but then remassing them again :D). Whether it be on 1 base or 2base isn't really important, he does it just in a gimmicky style(doesn't scout and just goes blindly for lair etc). Maybe I'm too harsh calling it gimmicky but this is how I feel about that. Let's not start a balance discussion or ingame-discussion as this is not the topic. It's just my opinion that he wins greatly because of the reason that he has this gimmicky playstyle around the infestor. As soon as I see him playing solid playstyles and everything and still have decent success I'll change my mind. @jacksonjackson86: Yea right. Right now, people still didn't quite figure out how to beat this style. But they will eventually, and if Destiny doesn't adapt soon enough he'll be "caught off guard" pretty bad... "He gets infestors out ASAP and then masses them(losing them, but then remassing them again :D). Whether it be on 1 base or 2base isn't really important, he does it just in a gimmicky style(doesn't scout and just goes blindly for lair etc). Maybe I'm too harsh calling it gimmicky but this is how I feel about that. " well thats kinda how mutas used to be when you had to one base muta vs 5 rax reaper? it still stands strong today. you mass mutas to beat turrents and gain map control and lose them while picknig off units and retreating. not a very helpful post when most high gas intensive units are exactly like that. collesus hts operate with that same idea of massing losing remaking. as for destiny, he does mix it up sometimes. he did go mutas vs in control. its just he dislikes being cheesed and infestor is a great shield to cheese. any type of mass roach play or muta play can get cheesed while hydras get beat out by a simple tech switch | ||
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GCVeila
United States39 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:10 KeksX wrote: He gets infestors out ASAP and then masses them(losing them, but then remassing them again :D). Whether it be on 1 base or 2base isn't really important, he does it just in a gimmicky style(doesn't scout and just goes blindly for lair etc). Maybe I'm too harsh calling it gimmicky but this is how I feel about that. Let's not start a balance discussion or ingame-discussion as this is not the topic. It's just my opinion that he wins greatly because of the reason that he has this gimmicky playstyle around the infestor. As soon as I see him playing solid playstyles and everything and still have decent success I'll change my mind. @jacksonjackson86: Yea right. Right now, people still didn't quite figure out how to beat this style. But they will eventually, and if Destiny doesn't adapt soon enough he'll be "caught off guard" pretty bad... I mean what you are saying is the same as saying Idra plays gimmicky because he always has the gameplan to geet out Mutas in ZvT, it's a playstyle, why should it be gimmicky if instead of getting 30 mutas, he gets 15 infestors. mutas are a utility unit, as are infestors, it'ss just because infestors are so new that people like to call them gimmicky right? | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:57 jacksonjackson86 wrote: I was being sarcastic about the "siege tanks". I was going with the angle that a player can be famous for his ability to be really good with one unit without deserving to be dismissed as "gimmicky". Well a few things here. MKP was looked at as "gimmicky." And he also had way more success than Destiny has had. Sure he hasn't won, but a couple of second places in GSL isn't anything to sneeze at. Also his playstyle was "gimmicky" way early in the game and since then has diversified his play a lot. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:43 KeksX wrote: Here's a simple thought: Imagine NesTea without Infestors. He'd still be a freaking baller, right? Now imagine Destiny without Infestors. Oops. Imagine idra without mutalisk. or Slayers without blueflame hellions. Each player has their own style, some revolve around a single unit. I don't see why they think infestors are so gimmicky. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On August 22 2011 13:43 viralintruder wrote: Who would EG consider a 10/10 or even a 7/10? They recruited HuK and PuMa recently, I would say both those are around 8-9/10. I think still possible, but Destiny is way way way below their level. | ||
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jacksonjackson86
Australia15 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:26 eYeball wrote: They recruited HuK and PuMa recently, I would say both those are around 8-9/10. I think still possible, but Destiny is way way way below their level. So they should be firing a few people? | ||
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