EPTSet Straight By Bans? - Page 11
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On September 20 2010 21:22 Rozza wrote: Banning promotes sychophantic behaviour amongst those who have never been, and never wish to be banned (read: teachers pet) while those of us with the dubious distinction of being banned are either A: noobish B: Have noobish opinions C: Have good opinions that are expressed in a noobish manner D: All of the above (is that possible?) But, that said, we, also hold a place in the mod's hearts since collectivley, we are that 'rebellious child' which the teacher secretly admires, and we post noobishly sometimes to dilute the monotony of the sycophants!! Yes this is a biased opinion Yes I HAVE been temp banned Side note: being a fairly new poster, and experienced lurker, why do i see so many ppl being ressurected from permabans? EDIT: Glaring example of sychophantic behaviour mentioned above http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154429 I being a cynic personally find it slightly insincere, or if sincere then very very sickly You have an anti-authoritarian streak to go along with that cynicism? (want to know further the bias there) Just asking, because in any society or social group, unless you're the anarchist type, a semblance of order and/or organization is always required, thus the need for mods to tell our less-witty colleagues in the forums that their behavior is as you describe to be as A or B. The older (5k posts and higher) people in the forum have a larger leeway in getting back on the forum after a perma-ban; not because they'll shape up, but because they've contributed something to the community. Less posts and less constructive content overall mean you're less valued and if you do step out of line by acting stupidly, you're more liable to be whacked. So going back to my original query; more people are posting image macros and not getting warned. It's a disturbing trend, especially if it becomes the meme-generating type of pic, and people are getting away with it. more often | ||
RaGe
Belgium9944 Posts
On September 20 2010 23:29 HeavOnEarth wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=87622 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=81080 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=79163 Previous warnings about other things 0 bans. Im not dropping this until at least one mod takes the time and effort to actually look into my history. Look- You've closed ONE thread of mine (which wasn't homework), the one about programming, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94180 which i assumed was for my behavior in the thread, which is understandable and i agree with that - my behavior was bad. you never said you closed it because it was a "homework thread", which it wasn't. and quote Also, let it be known, some moderater changed the thread to "Homework thread" to spite me, it was never a homework assignment. Furthermore, this was the thread i got banned for, the only thread that was closed and im supposedly supposed to know they aren't allowed. No? I can list dozens of homework help threads that mods have POSTED in that weren't closed. How the fuck am i supposed to know. (if u want me to literally spend hours lookin them all up I don't mind at all.) My actual ban warning No, i NEVER knew that homework threads were not allowed. IF you had banned me for being a martyr or being BM in the last thread, sure i dont't care at all, but you(mods) specifically banned me for something i honestly didn't know, and how was i expected to know. you missed my point ENTIRELY. i used it as an example of why i didn't know homework threads weren't allowed. + Show Spoiler [my reply over a year ago] + Original Message: HeavOnEarth was just temp banned for 2 weeks by Hot_Bid. That account was created on 2008-03-03 15:36:23 and had 3830 posts. Reason: 3800+ posts and you still copy/paste a homework thread. You've made several homework threads before, and we've closed them all. Hopefully you learn in these two weeks not to do this again. Next time it's 30 days. No? All of my homework threads thus far have never been closed, so i don't know where your several homework threads came from to be honest. (these are from my blogs) http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=79163 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=81080 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=87622 However, Manifesto told me (before you promptly banned me) , no more homework threads, which i pm'd him back, Ok , i didn't know homework threads weren't allowed and that was the end of that. You've closed ONE thread of mine (which wasn't homework), the one about programming, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94180 which i assumed was for my behavior in the thread, which is understandable and i agree with that - my behavior was bad. you never said you closed it because it was a "homework thread", which it wasn't. and quote Also, let it be known, some moderater changed the thread to "Homework thread" to spite me, it was never a homework assignment. You have been temp banned for 2 weeks by Hot_Bid. Reason: I know you were warned, but your behavior in that thread is too bad for me to ignore. The previous ban you gave me, says absolutely nothing about homework, so yes, excuse me for not knowing that homework threads aren't allowed. I mean i literally post and help people from dozens of homework threads, check my posting history of you want or u can simply just type in "homework" in the sesarch function and see that nearly all of them are still open. Did i anger you in the past or something? I know im on shaky ground with Chill and a Rage, but i doubt i ever said anything to you, and if i did i apologize- it wasn't intentional. So to sum it up, i think a 2 week ban is a bit much, and hopefully i've convinced you i honestly- did not know homework threads were not allowed- as i've seen several open, and all of my homework threads thus far have never been closed. Also, thanks for reducing the ban, although i don't think it does any good, this mafia game was very few people and will probably end shortly, but i do appeiciate the sentiment. my reply to hot_bid which he ignored, skimmed over or didn't care about. Oh wow, you seriously amazed me here. You didn't just make a homework thread. That's the first thing you did, and it got closed. After that you did the following: You borrowed your account to a friend of yours so he could make a homework thread. When his question was solved but he actually didn't understand anything (if you understood anything of what he had to say you would've realized like all the other people in that thread), he started flaming people. The sad part is you still don't realize you're in no place to complain. Your first of all had nothing to do with the programming so don't even understand what he was asking for or how retarded the discussion was that ensued. But still even then, you should at least realize you shared your account to let a friend abuse your reputation on this website to get homework help, while flaming staff members that actually provided immediate help (if he had any understanding of the theory he would've understood) to his completely wrongful request. On September 20 2010 23:33 HeavOnEarth wrote: I dont even know how long its been(2 years?) since that ban but im still FURIOUS over it, and i never knew until i posted in this thread that i was still steaming over it. That alone might tell you something about me Are you really saying you should've gotten away with that? You're either very stubborn or very closed minded. You actually got a super lenient ban after all that. @ rage Fuck you @ chill Thanks for your understanding of me throughout the years i've posted. Even though you probably hated me as a poster you always acted objectively. I can completely understand you taking your friends side (rage) in the thread i got banned and to be honest i've always thought of you as somewhat of an internet father figure. @ hot_bid, the guy who banned me Im not sure why you didn't look this over thoroughly, but it was just i held such high standards of you as a poster/moderator , quite frankly im envious of you as a person, so it was to my huge disappointment/confusion that you didn't see or even attempt to see any of my points. Yeah dude, everyone was just taking their friend's side, it's not that the people you always respected for being objective were actually being objective. Oh yeah, and all the other people (literally every single poster) that posted in that thread and understood what was posted realized just how wrong you were. Reread the thread please. How can you even expect people not to think you're retarded after all this? I actually thought up till now that you were just too stubborn to apologize, but this is just on a whole other level. | ||
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semantics
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On September 21 2010 01:34 RaGe wrote: Oh wow, you seriously amazed me here. You didn't just make a homework thread. That's the first thing you did, and it got closed. After that you did the following: You borrowed your account to a friend of yours so he could make a homework thread. When his question was solved but he actually didn't understand anything (if you understood anything of what he had to say you would've realized like all the other people in that thread), he started flaming people. The sad part is you still don't realize you're in no place to complain. Your first of all had nothing to do with the programming so don't even understand what he was asking for or how retarded the discussion was that ensued. But still even then, you should at least realize you shared your account to let a friend abuse your reputation on this website to get homework help, while flaming staff members that actually provided immediate help (if he had any understanding of the theory he would've understood) to his completely wrongful request. Are you really saying you should've gotten away with that? You're either very stubborn or very closed minded. You actually got a super lenient ban after all that. Yeah dude, everyone was just taking their friend's side, it's not that the people you always respected for being objective were actually being objective. Oh yeah, and all the other people (literally every single poster) that posted in that thread and understood what was posted realized just how wrong you were. Reread the thread please. How can you even expect people not to think you're retarded after all this? I actually thought up till now that you were just too stubborn to apologize, but this is just on a whole other level. Can you at least be a little nonbiased. I wasn't banned for any of that i was banned for not knowing homework threads were allowed.(which i didn't). Ive said before that i would not care at all if i was banned any of the things you just listed. (which i wasn't) It's simple why im mad really, you guys 1) change the title of my thread so everyone is biased against me, and gets the wrong impression 2) ban me without listening to anything i have to say(also note that i actually convinced chill or someone to let me off with a warning, but then hot_bid bans me out of the blue , he didnt post in the thread once) 3) talk shit after im banned in the thread after u close it. How can you even expect people not to think you're retarded after all this? I actually thought up till now that you were just too stubborn to apologize, but this is just on a whole other level. ironic you should say this. Are you really saying you should've gotten away with that? You're either very stubborn or very closed minded. You actually got a super lenient ban after all that. jesus christ im not saying this at all just change my ban to: a) being stupid and needs to grow up b) loaning account to friend c) disrespecting a moderator( you in particular) give me another 2 weeks so its a month( sounds appropriate?) and take out that load of shit about "omg homework thread" and change my thread title back to what it was. You dont see me for 2 weeks and i at least get the rightful ban. win win. im so sick of moderators saying "LOL U HAD HW THREAD", because they read the title "Homework thread" that was changed by a moderator Yeah dude, everyone was just taking their friend's side, it's not that the people you always respected for being objective were actually being objective. because i was implying they weren't being objective? (this is sarcasm btw if you didnt pick it up) You're the only person i have beef with. period. Shit i even remember how abrasive you were being , without being provoked at all, whcih lead to my friend blowing up, because you were being a grade A asshole, which the other moderators agreed on... At the end i tried to offer something friendly and peaceful like challenging you to a grudge show-match(we were both C+ at the time..), in which you basically shit on my face and decline. So yes, i think i have a good reason to be mad. | ||
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TSM
Great Britain584 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On September 21 2010 00:29 Murderotica wrote: So what you are saying is that you are in fact 12? As a point of reference i'm 18, and probably 15-16 when i made that thread. =/ | ||
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CheeseGrater
United States290 Posts
On September 21 2010 02:48 thespitfire wrote: i got banned from brood war strat for bad gramma, surely that was unfair OMG! You forgot the "r" in "grammar." Can someone ban this guy please? | ||
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JackMcCoy
165 Posts
i dont think your "permanent TL record" really matters, whether it says "banned for being a homework thread noob" or "banned for being obnoxious loudmouth". you were banned for homework threads, which aren't allowed on TL, which you should know. just because the homework threads you made before didn't happen to get closed doesn't justify them in the long run, you cant use your past crimes to act as some sort of precedent for your future fuck ups. and from the looks of it you had 3800 posts when you made that homework thread (dont pretend like its not, its so damn obvious from the OP) so there's no excuse for you not knowing what their rules were. imo you owe rage an apology for being a jackass, not a "fuck you" because you're all indignant about some perceived slight that doesn't hold any relevance or weight outside of your own twisted interpretation of events. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
It matters to me, because of Evilteletubby's response which is what ill get from anyone ever. And jesus christ , no i honestly did not know they weren't allowed. (dont pretend like its not, its so damn obvious from the OP) ? | ||
vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
On September 20 2010 22:36 heishe wrote: sometimes I got banned for really stupid reasons I think. I don't remember exactly. But I got banned a couple of times for one post where I used too many foul words or for QQing too much. What upset me most about that was that I was basically banned when I had one big post where I QQed a lot, but most of my other posts are usually pretty large and I try to contribute a lot and actually bring arguments tot he table instead of just baseless QQing, whereas others just have no idea how discussion works and just hammer you down with their silly points and logical fallacies and endless QQing, yet none of them get banned. my first ban I got was for "ruining a good thread". I was banned by kennigit, and I remember being really really upset about it. Like genuinely sad / angry that I was banned for my post. I don't exactly remember the post in question, but it was a thread about something and I posted something in a calm and mannered fashion which was actually on topic as far as I remember, but Ken disagreed with me and banned me for two weeks. Yes, not one, but two weeks. And that was my first ban I ever got. I was like really close to never ever visiting this forum again. That really upset me a lot. Not in a "omg these forum moderators are idiots" way, but more in a way that made me supersad and disappointed. in short, sometimes I feel like being honest and not idiotic/hypocritical like a lot of people here can really bite you in the ass. you can get banned for simply stating your honest opinion, even if you don't flame others etc. in the progress and try to argue reasonably. I also got banned for literally calling someone a "fucking idiot" or something like that, and I totally understand that since I asked for the ban in the post (but that guy deserved it, and I think I never did it again after that). But then sometimes I really don't understand why I was banned instead of warned. Or when I was banned not for one or two days, no, like a week or two. That just really hurts. Like, it doesn't make you angry or something, it's just like a mod is trying to tell me: "Please get the fuck out of our forums, we don't like you, we don't want you here". Especially when you get banned for a post which intended no harm. edit: oops I forgot a part of my post. So in terms of "getting set straight". Well, I think more active about my choice of words right now and also I have some occasions where I write some lengthy post, like at least 1000 words+, then read through it and I'm like "better not post that, some moderator might read something into my post which I didn't intend" and just delete the post and leave it at that. That's not exaggerating or something, but sometimes I really get worried that I'm going to be banned again lol. I looked through your mod notes and I honestly don't think you have much to complain about.. This post got you your first ban. It was neither calm, mannered nor on topic. Also, it was 2 days instead of 2 weeks. Not sure how that made you so upset.. maybe you thought you got banned for another post? We didn't have the red text messages back then that make it clear which post got you banned. Your 3 other bans were completely justified as well. A 2 day ban for calling someone a fucking idiot and stating yourself that it'd get you banned, a 1 week ban for calling Americans "really fucking retarded sometimes" while you had gotten 2 warnings just the day before and another 1 week ban for posting an ASCII facepalm pic (that would normally get you a 2 day ban, but you already had 2 bans and 4 warnings). Also, you tried dodging that last ban by creating a new account and we were apparently nice enough not to extend the ban on your main account! All in all, I'd say we treated you very fairly.. | ||
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Puosu
6984 Posts
On September 21 2010 02:48 thespitfire wrote: i got banned from brood war strat for bad gramma, surely that was unfair If you still have the warning PM in your inbox you should re-check it, you actually weren't banned from the strategy forum for bad grammar but rather for an one-liner that wasn't up to the strategy forum standards. The moderator who handed out the ban merely gave you a friendly tip that putting some more effort in to how you write would be beneficial in the future, but it wasn't the reason for the ban.  | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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JackMcCoy
165 Posts
On September 21 2010 03:00 HeavOnEarth wrote: Why the hell would i owe rage the apology, he's the one who instigated the whole event, took a huge dump on my thread and talked a load of shit about me when i was banned and couldn't reply at all. i would apologize to any moderator, any poster because ,obviously, i did fuck up in that thread with various things, but i would never apologize to that fucking piece of shit. because he actually helped you (or that other kid i dont know who is who) and you (or he) were too dumb to see it, and instead decided to aggrivate the situation by saying stupid things like you were going to "rape some BM'ing assholes" (page 1). here's some "thread facts" 1) rage was right in that thread (and mildly abrasive but thats understandable when the OP is retarded) 2) the situation there got worse because of your shitty attitude and defensiveness after u got embarrassed by the ppl who knew what they were talking about. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
can you at least see why im upset? everyone who is going to read that thread is going to immediately shit on me, because 1) thread title was changed 2) my friend made the posts that you're reading, ""rape some BM assholes" in particular =/ 3) i couldnt explain any of this because thread locked/ me banned and then rage makes some claims against me that arent true, which i cant disprove because i cant post anything. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On September 18 2010 01:58 Murderotica wrote: Hot_bid = baller REALLYYYY ;o. well actually if that's true it doesnt surprise me TOO much. because hot_bid is a huge baller. but he told me as of late he hasnt had time to browse the forums o.o | ||
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JackMcCoy
165 Posts
On September 21 2010 03:07 HeavOnEarth wrote: Sigh that wasn't me =/ can you at least see why im upset? everyone who is going to read that thread is going to immediately shit on me, because 1) thread title was changed 2) my friend made the posts that you're reading, ""rape some BM assholes" in particular =/ 3) i couldnt explain any of this because thread locked/ me banned and then rage makes some claims against me that arent true, which i cant disprove because i cant post anything. i think if you're upset at anything, it should be at this "friend" who took a big shit while on your account, not at rage who had to deal with him. also: whats the big issue with it being called "homework thread" if thats what it is? if I make a thread about TLO getting chickenpox but call it "TLO playing with fowl attitude", im not going to be all upset if a mod gives it a more appropriate title. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
1) My friend posts 2) rage rages for no reason at all 3) my friend shittalks him 4) rage shittalks me, bans my friend closes my thread and blames all the shit my friend did on me (by posting garbage at the end of the thread that has nothing to do with me, or false accusations against me), and probably changed my thread title. 5) i offer an apology and challenge rage to a friendly grudge match 6) rage declines 7) i walk away without saying anything after my 2 week ban | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I'm just posting here because apparently he expects a full discussion before he gets banned. Nevermind he said "fuck you" to a moderator and was otherwise completely abrasive about something incredibly retarded. I'ma give you a couple hours to clarify.. that's how fucking HeaveOnEarth approved of a moderator I am | ||
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