EPTOn March 01 2014 08:04 Zaros wrote:
yeah it has an ass in it.
yeah it has an ass in it.
Oh yeah, you know what else has an ass?
...people.
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
Oh yeah, you know what else has an ass? ...people. | ||
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B.I.G.
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Article: no leto What do you guys think? Was it really that bad or is it just a bunch of haters? | ||
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Drekkonis
Canada286 Posts
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Silverfoxx
United States184 Posts
On March 08 2014 08:22 B.I.G. wrote: Hi guys, I recently enjoyed watching Dallas Buyers Cluband was pleased to see that McConaughey and Leto won best actor and supporting actor acadamy awards. Today I heard that a lot of people actually had a problem with Leto's performance saying that he was enforcing a negative stereo type and that the role should have been played by a real transgender and whatnot. Article: no leto What do you guys think? Was it really that bad or is it just a bunch of haters? Never seen the movie. Don't really care, to be honest. It's a movie. People get awards for ACTING. And often, for the sake of the movie plot, they are stereotypes. Black, white, latino, asian, middle eastern, male, female, yes some people break the mold but for the most part they're all stuck in there and it's not like it's the actors choice. Leto probably did/could have done a better job playing a trans person in the role than a trans person could have... but it didn't really matter because likely that's not what the director wanted. I'm betting Leto gave the performance the director wanted, or one better than what the director knew. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
On March 08 2014 14:20 Silverfoxx wrote: Never seen the movie. Don't really care, to be honest. It's a movie. People get awards for ACTING. And often, for the sake of the movie plot, they are stereotypes. Black, white, latino, asian, middle eastern, male, female, yes some people break the mold but for the most part they're all stuck in there and it's not like it's the actors choice. Leto probably did/could have done a better job playing a trans person in the role than a trans person could have... but it didn't really matter because likely that's not what the director wanted. I'm betting Leto gave the performance the director wanted, or one better than what the director knew. Right, I'm going to drop some bombs. One, yes acting, it not entirely uncommon for people who aren't X to play X. See race swapped versions of othello for example. However, this is problematic for a number of reasons: Firstly: The director didn't even know that there where transgender actresses, so the notion that Leto was most appropriate is a bit off. Secondly, this wouldn't be such a problem if the character of rayon wasn't such a farcical construction of what it is to be a trans person. She has both the old classics, being a sex worker and also being HIV positive. She isn't even based on a real person that the author met, so throw that defence out of the window. If you still aren't getting why this is problematic, here is a comparison, I'm a director of a film, and I cast a straight white man for the role of a gay black man, who character traits (since he is gay and black after all), include: Being a paedophile, since he was sexually abused as a child, being a thief, being HIV positive, being poor, poorly educated, being unable to hold down a steady relationship, having an absent father. This is bad. and it is bad for all the same reasons that casting a cis male into the role of a trans women is; that is appropriative and continues to perpetuate negative stereotypes about trans* people, along with defining trans womens experience as just this one thing. But I hear you cry, "Stereotypes, smeroripes!" Hey dog, I want you to name the last time a role playing a trans* person in a movie with a was even nominated for an academy award? Yeah kinda stuck aren't we? We haven't been to the big show for 14 years. (in case you where wondering, boys don't cry won in 2000, also a film where a trans man getting brutally murdered for who he is. Great)(before that, the crying game got a nomination in 1992) This is what dumb stupid people that I meet will think this is what a trans person is, for years to come. Oh and to round it all out, in his acceptance speech, leto made no acknowledgement of trans* people, while mentioning HIV sufferers. its exploitative. | ||
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
Silhouettes is by no means unproblematic, its quite inaccurate about the transition process, (also kinda plays your cis normative world view for shock) and there is one segment where avicii cuts a cucumber in half, suggestive of "this is what SRS is" But how does the video end for the woman? She isn't violently murdered, no she has a fucking rocking good time and gets some sex, with her life pre-operation deliberately made drab in comparison. Its by no means un-problematic, but at least avicii fucking tried. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On March 08 2014 23:12 Kerotan wrote: Hey dog, I want you to name the last time a role playing a trans* person in a movie with a was even nominated for an academy award? Yeah kinda stuck aren't we? We haven't been to the big show for 14 years. (in case you where wondering, boys don't cry won in 2000, also a film where a trans man getting brutally murdered for who he is. Great)(before that, the crying game got a nomination in 1992) Wait, you are complaining about the fact that actors playing a trans* person are not nominated for academy awards all the time? What kind of nonsensical argument is that? | ||
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
On March 08 2014 23:31 Conti wrote: Wait, you are complaining about the fact that actors playing a trans* person are not nominated for academy awards all the time? What kind of nonsensical argument is that? No, I'm pointing out the lack of exposure of trans* issues in mainstream film. I could draw you a graph of people nominated for a Oscar in the top acting gongs, separating them based on being a cisgender charecter or a transgender charecter. Except I'm not going to because, I'm going hazard a guess and say that that trans people are far less represented in film than cisgender people, and not just in award shows either. I was tasking you with naming famous characters in cinema who are trans*, with the implication that there wouldn't be many. edit- Also some clarification, I'm not calling for someones head, instead that leto winning an award for best support actor for playing a trans women is coming close to the apex of systematic poor portrayals of trans* issues in cinema. Film should better represent all minorities, especially films which are seen to be incredibly influential. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On March 08 2014 23:54 Kerotan wrote: No, I'm pointing out the lack of exposure of trans* issues in mainstream film. I could draw you a graph of people nominated for a Oscar in the top acting gongs, separating them based on being a cisgender charecter or a transgender charecter. Except I'm not going to because, I'm going hazard a guess and say that that trans people are far less represented in film than cisgender people, and not just in award shows either. I was tasking you with naming famous characters in cinema who are trans*, with the implication that there wouldn't be many. I'm not disagreeing with you that transgender people are underrepresented in academy awards. They clearly are. Much like every other minority. What kind of transgender/nontransgender ratio would you rather have, realistically speaking? | ||
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
On March 09 2014 00:10 Conti wrote: I'm not disagreeing with you that transgender people are underrepresented in academy awards. They clearly are. Much like every other minority. What kind of transgender/nontransgender ratio would you rather have, realistically speaking? I'm not going to give you a ratio, it would be impossible to quantify, and even if possible would be wholly useless (You cannot quantify the quality of cinema based on if it didn't meet an arbitrary number) What I want for trans* roles to go to trans* actors, and there portrayal to be as varied and as cisgender peoples roles. Ultimately, I don't think any mainstream film will get there for a good long fucking while (its still trying to get there with people that aren't white or men for fuck sake) Hence why "independent" movies exist, they can, and do serve the needs of people who want to make less mainstream, lowest common denominator film. So yeah, mainstream film still and will primarily serve the not poor, able heterosexual cisgender white male (to a lesser extent female), so don't be surprised that when it steps outside its wheelhouse, it will be likely be lambasted for being shit. | ||
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
Just read that, Its full of perfectly legitimate critique. Some choice quotes: “No matter what Dallas Buyers Club does as a film, the narrative around this movie, the fact that a man in drag is playing a trans woman, perpetuates the stereotype that we are men in drag.” Jos Truitt of Feministing You mean transgender? RT @NBCNews BREAKING: Jared Leto wins best supporting actor for role as transvestite in 'Dallas Buyers Club' #Oscars Elizabeth Plank (@feministabulous) March 3, 2014 Another moment when liberals in Hollywood, both in the industry and in the media, showed how little they understood or empathized with the lives of a minority they imagine they and Leto are honoring[sic]. Steve Friess, Time | ||
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Tarqon
Netherlands27 Posts
Again I can't really judge it because I haven't seen the movie, but I'm skeptical given that parts of the feminist/SJW blogosphere really like playing the victim. | ||
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 09 2014 01:08 Tarqon wrote: I think that really depends on the content of the film (haven't seen it yet). If they made a legitimate effort to depict a person with gender dysphoria then I don't see the issue. Straight people playing homosexuals in Brokeback Mountain wasn't an issue either because they depicted it in an emphatic, believable and respectful way. Again I can't really judge it because I haven't seen the movie, but I'm skeptical given that parts of the feminist/SJW blogosphere really like playing the victim. In fact, they probably depicted it better than gays could have, with gays being all poncey and such. Gays make much less believable gays. | ||
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Tarqon
Netherlands27 Posts
On March 09 2014 02:24 marvellosity wrote: In fact, they probably depicted it better than gays could have, with gays being all poncey and such. Gays make much less believable gays. Well, depicting them as super masculine is the only way that could have gotten off the ground in Hollywood, yes. :/ | ||
Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Drekkonis
Canada286 Posts
On March 09 2014 09:00 Zaros wrote: hearthstone so frustrating sometimes 1 game away from qualifying for the 8 player qualifier for a spot at IEM katowice, lost the last two games after being 1-0 up due to rng .Zaros why are you not on my friend's list? PownzSama #1142 | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 11 2014 00:26 Drekkonis wrote: Zaros why are you not on my friend's list? PownzSama #1142 But your on NA no? im on EU. | ||
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