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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 17 2010 05:04 GMT
#141
On January 17 2010 13:16 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Wow i did horrible in warmups so I started at 75kg for snatch. Then I went out and power snatched 75, 80, 83 easily rofl.

clean and jerk wasnt that great. Did 95, 100, then missed the jerk on 102kg. Still have a lot of problems with jerk


You need to get in good habits foo :p
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
January 17 2010 05:07 GMT
#142
My fitness had practical applications yesterday, my boss at work hosted a massive barbecue at his house, invited everyone from work, he had organised a lot of events (he lives on a huge property) like obstacle courses, 50 Metre dash, shot put, etc.

The obstacle course involved two rope climbs, while a lot of the guys who competed struggled, I powered through the thing in seconds, didn't even use my feet, just hand over hand climbed up this 15 metre rope.

I also won the 50 metre race.

+ Show Spoiler [photos] +

[image loading]


[image loading]


Got two $50 gift vouchers ^_^.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
lux[chavii]
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Germany115 Posts
January 17 2010 05:09 GMT
#143
Jake Z
Age: 20 || Height: 5'8" or 1.76m || Weight: 139 lb/61.8 kg
Starting Date: 01/11/10 || Goal Date: section 1: 5/30/10 - section 2: 12/31/10
Weight goals -- I honestly have no idea on what is possible weight-wise, I'll just try to gain as much as possible (maybe someone can me fill me in here?) Ideal would be something around 155 lb.
Training goals -- For weight lifting, just go to the gym regularly and stay motivated, no goals for curls or something like that.
Since I am a lifeguard (though currently unemployed since sadly the USA doesn't like international students working), I want to continue go swimming and get/stay in shape.
Youtube videos like urban ninja or the one, which was posted in the Will Smith blogpost (spoilers) always inspired me, so I wanna get into those kinda things. Though I have no idea on where to start, since just going out there will most definitely get you hurt, so I was wondering if any of you guys can give me any advice on where to start, other than the obvious "join a martial arts club" since my near future is still unclear.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqesr01lR1I&feature=player_embedded


Nutrition goals -- Improve my nutrition, no more fast food and sodas. I will follow the .doc, which was posted in the OP. (thanks for that!)
Misc goals -- Socialize more, get over the anxiety of approach and improve self esteem.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
January 17 2010 05:31 GMT
#144
On January 17 2010 14:07 Energies wrote:
My fitness had practical applications yesterday, my boss at work hosted a massive barbecue at his house, invited everyone from work, he had organised a lot of events (he lives on a huge property) like obstacle courses, 50 Metre dash, shot put, etc.

The obstacle course involved two rope climbs, while a lot of the guys who competed struggled, I powered through the thing in seconds, didn't even use my feet, just hand over hand climbed up this 15 metre rope.

I also won the 50 metre race.

+ Show Spoiler [photos] +

[image loading]


[image loading]


Got two $50 gift vouchers ^_^.


lol more pics :D
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4721 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 08:51:13
January 17 2010 08:50 GMT
#145
On January 17 2010 14:04 eshlow wrote:

Deadlifts should never be done high volume. Much more taxing than squats.... 5x5 is just insane especially if you're doing linear progression. Leads to burnout.


I would certainly agree now

On January 17 2010 14:04 eshlow wrote:
Warmup sets should pyramid up.

So if your max is like say 315 lbs you would do something like
45x10
135x6
225x4
275x2
315x(whatever reps you're supposed to be doing)


Yeah, I start any Deadlift/Squatting with 45x10 and 135x8 as Warm-up. Sorry if I was unclear about that. Other lifts with lower weights accordingly. I basically make sure that my last warm-up set stays under 50% of whatever RM I'm doing that day with 6-8 reps.

On January 17 2010 14:04 eshlow wrote:
For everyone:

If you're under 2x bw squat and deads you probably shouldn't be programming for yourself. You dont' really know WTF you're doing yet. It's best to follow proven novice and intermediate templates. That's why I put them in the OP. A good program needs to be a solid mix of intensity and volume depending on what you want to accomplish --- anyone can throw something together that makes you tired and sore. Not everyone can program something that lets you get strong and add mass quickly -- progress is the key. And there's proven principles behind all of the novice and intermediate programming.


From years of bad exercising, I definitely agree. I still feel how hard it is for me to get rid of bad old habbits, even when I know they are bad.
However, I believe you need to be allowed to make certain adjustments to your own needs. Rippetoe wirtes that himself in Practical Programming, that from intermediate level on you should use these programs as guidelines.
For me specifically this is the 3xsquatting/ week, which I simply cannot do. It would kill me like 5x5 DLs did.

Of course, if you change every second exercise, that's not going to end well, again, own experience.

Working-out without professional supervision and after internet templates sadly is supoptimal by definition.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
January 17 2010 14:36 GMT
#146
On January 17 2010 14:31 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 14:07 Energies wrote:
My fitness had practical applications yesterday, my boss at work hosted a massive barbecue at his house, invited everyone from work, he had organised a lot of events (he lives on a huge property) like obstacle courses, 50 Metre dash, shot put, etc.

The obstacle course involved two rope climbs, while a lot of the guys who competed struggled, I powered through the thing in seconds, didn't even use my feet, just hand over hand climbed up this 15 metre rope.

I also won the 50 metre race.

+ Show Spoiler [photos] +

[image loading]


[image loading]


Got two $50 gift vouchers ^_^.


lol more pics :D

agreed. would have been better if it was a vid tho
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
January 17 2010 14:42 GMT
#147
Woo! I just got back from a swim meet at Taipei. I ended up with 1 gold and 2 silver medals. I did alright considering I've only swam 5 times in the past month. I didn't swim or workout over winter holidays. I'm going to start working out super hard because I only have 3 more swim meets left this season and I want to break one or two school records.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
January 17 2010 15:05 GMT
#148
On January 17 2010 23:42 madnessman wrote:
Woo! I just got back from a swim meet at Taipei. I ended up with 1 gold and 2 silver medals. I did alright considering I've only swam 5 times in the past month. I didn't swim or workout over winter holidays. I'm going to start working out super hard because I only have 3 more swim meets left this season and I want to break one or two school records.



wow gj 3 medals without practice? lOl
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 17 2010 16:16 GMT
#149
wow energies looks fun hehe
ninja warrior fighting~
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 17 2010 16:42 GMT
#150
haha sick stuff energies ^^.

decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20008 Posts
January 19 2010 08:46 GMT
#151
Finally broke the 400 barrier on squats with 405 today, up 60 pounds from 2 months ago! Bench still at 285 though (no 300 ) and dead lift at 425.

Will start adding in plyometrics and ease into running a mile or two to start getting into shape. Looking to change up my workout too, been doing 5x5 n such for a couple months now probably gonna up the reps and start doing sets of 3-5 sets of 8-12.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 21 2010 03:49 GMT
#152
On January 19 2010 17:46 decafchicken wrote:
Finally broke the 400 barrier on squats with 405 today, up 60 pounds from 2 months ago! Bench still at 285 though (no 300 ) and dead lift at 425.

Will start adding in plyometrics and ease into running a mile or two to start getting into shape. Looking to change up my workout too, been doing 5x5 n such for a couple months now probably gonna up the reps and start doing sets of 3-5 sets of 8-12.


Nice dude.

Yeah, it's good to mix things up once in a while. Don't forget to add in rest breaks for more recovery.

-----------------------

Another good shopping list of good foods posted by some of the guys I know:
http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/ShoppingList.pdf
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
January 21 2010 04:11 GMT
#153
Good link... I really have to start committing 100% to my diet.

I will declare today as my start date:
Age: 23
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 180 (highest it has been in my entire life)
Goal: 165 while adding lean muscle.
Training: Swim 40 minutes every other day, lift every other day (not on the same days, alternating). Use the weekend for rest.

I have been having severe stomach problems that are holding me back (gas, bloating, etc.) during workouts and it is extremely frustrating. All tests were negative so I probably need to get a colonoscopy =(
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7206 Posts
January 21 2010 04:48 GMT
#154
On January 13 2010 13:12 eshlow wrote:
The novice effect -- Mark Rippetoe (author of Starting STrength)

http://startingstrength.com/articles/novice_effect_rippetoe.pdf

Good read especially for those of you looking to gain strength/mass and are just starting...

Basically, DO Starting Strength. That's why I put it in the OP.



My problem with all this stuff that ive glossed over is it assumes that you want to gain mass. Im 6'1-2 and 250. Id like to be like 215-225. It seems like all of these books (I even bought starting strength) assume you are starting out skinny and want to gain mass. Anything for someone who wants to cut weight but build muscle?
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
January 21 2010 09:12 GMT
#155
Alright im back, time to get to work!
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 11:40:44
January 21 2010 11:35 GMT
#156
Just watched the Mark Rippetoe squat training video. I don't think I've ever been this excited to hit the gym and squat. Looking forward to it this Saturday!

Have been stuck at 220lb forever. Mostly just too scared to go heavier without a spotter.

Edit: Decaf, you're a beast. Seriously.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 14:17:41
January 21 2010 14:01 GMT
#157
On January 21 2010 13:48 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 13:12 eshlow wrote:
The novice effect -- Mark Rippetoe (author of Starting STrength)

http://startingstrength.com/articles/novice_effect_rippetoe.pdf

Good read especially for those of you looking to gain strength/mass and are just starting...

Basically, DO Starting Strength. That's why I put it in the OP.



My problem with all this stuff that ive glossed over is it assumes that you want to gain mass. Im 6'1-2 and 250. Id like to be like 215-225. It seems like all of these books (I even bought starting strength) assume you are starting out skinny and want to gain mass. Anything for someone who wants to cut weight but build muscle?


Sup. Check this out

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=94480
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
January 21 2010 14:09 GMT
#158
Sup.

I started gym already.

been doing Biceps, Chest, Back, triceps, legs and all that, mixed with Bicycle and some cardio stuff. Doing soft abs workout everyday.

My question is:

I'm around 60~65kg in weight right now, I'm around 1.65cm of height. I'm not fat, but I'd like to get taller, and to get ripped and get muscle, not to the point where I'd look fucking ugly, but you know, a decent body wouldn't be too much to ask.

I'm no newbie to working out, as I'm always been an active person, Swimming, working out in my house etc etc etc.

To achieve my goal, Do I need to change my diet (I don't watch what I eat mostly, I drink coke and shit almost everyday, and I know it isn't good but meh T_T).

Any pointers on what should I be doing? When I was swimming and had to hit them gym, my coach always told us, that we needed to go for endurance, thus, never go less than 12 reps for each exercise. Should I keep this mentality? I'll see if I can get my gym program scanned so you can check it out.

I just want some pointers, on what should I eat, do, and how should I workout, to gain muscle, and get a nice body.

Thanks!
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 14:22:43
January 21 2010 14:21 GMT
#159
Hey Funkie,

You won't get taller since you are already 20 years old (right?).

For beginners advice on working out, read my older blog entry:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=94480

And yes, you NEED to change your diet. Your diet is very, very important for body composition and aesthetics. Coke is not good? Coke is like all sugar, it's fucked up. "Not good" is an understatement Coke makes you fat, period.

Coca-Cola that is. Cocaine would probably make you skinny as hell in the long run


I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 14:29:44
January 21 2010 14:28 GMT
#160
ret
Age: 24 || Height: 6'1" or 1.84 || Weight: 259 lbs/118 kg
Starting Date: 01/01/2010 || Goal Date: 01/06/2010
Weight goals -- Not lose muscle, get stronger as much as possible while losing fat the fastest way possible.
Training goals -- No real training goals, just want to lose weight
Nutrition goals -- eating healthy in general, establishing a healthy diet that i can maintain for the rest of my life
Misc goals -- Look sexy as fux

My main problem is the diet..Especially in Korea I have no idea what I can eat that is actually healthy, most things you order in restaurants have some bads in them of some sort..but I am going home in a week so it won't be as hard... I'll be able to make my own food daily.

Main guidelines are just going to be to eat most of my carbs before 4 pm, go to the gym, and eat protein after.

If anyone has detailed, specific food tips like meals i should eat when I would like to hear them.
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