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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
January 11 2010 22:57 GMT
#101
On January 12 2010 01:54 travis wrote:
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On January 10 2010 16:31 decafchicken wrote:
As i near season, i want to switch to getting in shape while building endurance and explosiveness and basically putting the strength i've built into a state where i can own faces with it for 80 minutes of a rugby game. Been doing 5x5 and the likes to increase my strength in the off season, but i'm not quite sure what to do now, other than increase my reps. I'll probably add in some box jumps and lunges and things like that, but i need to learn more about training for season now ~.~


couldn't you just do circuit training with explosive exercises?

just structure ur circuit workout similar to what you have to do in a game of rugby



Always can try olympic weightlifting! It will help you in other sports.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 12 2010 02:08 GMT
#102
On January 11 2010 20:51 antiq wrote:
lukas
Age: 26 || Height: 5'10" or 1m/77cm || Weight: 120lbs/54kg
Starting Date: 1/2/10 || Goal Date: 3/5/10
Weight goals -- add 2kg/5pounds - preferably muscle mass but anything really - to my present weight
Training goals -- serious exercise at least 3x/week, at least 2 days weight training
Nutrition goals -- max 1x fast food/week, and if then with fresh salad; drink at least half a gallon (2litres) of milk/week
Misc goals -- some 'unimportant' stuff like finishing my masters (4 months to go), improve my creativity at work (photog/editor at a newspaper), start a business with a friend


I want to do the classic barbell stuff, benchpress/deadlift/squat trio alongside exercises like pullups, pushups, handstand pushups and dips, maybe some medicine ball throwing (as I've always sucked at that, I figure it can do me good.. if I can avoid injury that is).

What do you gurus think, is it enough to train 3x per week using these exercises and trying to eat optimal (which means it will be suboptimal, but better than average) to achieve my weight goal?


You should do Starting Strength too.

Eat for the mass and then if you don't want anymore mass you can stop eating for it. Realize that you will stall out faster though if you cut down on the calories though.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
January 12 2010 02:16 GMT
#103
had some cycling today and did about 10km. not the steady cycling that i wanted (a lot of zigzagging/stopping/slowing down from place to place) but still very refreshing. i'll try a longer route tomorrow that will give me the best chance of continual cycling.
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
January 12 2010 02:34 GMT
#104
On January 11 2010 23:23 unknown.sam wrote:
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On January 11 2010 21:16 Energies wrote:
Yeah 70km, you keep thinking you're going to pass out and die, but you keep going. Once you get past the 20-30 minute mark, your body starts to continually burn fat at a decent rate, and you end up with a nice flow of incoming energy. The bursts of power for hill climbs become a lot less common though, you really have to muster up a nice pace before you can stand up and power through.

you have inspired me to go a little further in my next cycling adventure

btw, how long did it take you for the 35km??


About 90 Minutes on the way to work, but there are a lot of hills and its kinda against the wind.
Just over an hour on the way back.

My city has bike paths following all train lines, and the train lines lead into every major part of the city. So it is typically quite a comfortable ride.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9377 Posts
January 12 2010 14:54 GMT
#105
Ok, so I want to swim and gym.

How should I split these things?

I can only do one/day, since I work and stuff, and working out in the morning is kind of a no go, unless it takes me less than 1 hour or something.

Also, what kind of stuff should I avoid eating by the time I start training and such?

Generally, I swim around 600~1000mts each time I swim, is that enough? Should I go for more?.

What kind of workout should I aim for? halp frends halp!
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
AeroGear
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada652 Posts
January 12 2010 18:48 GMT
#106
Would need more info on what kind of results you want to obtain. Swim by itself is a great exercise, both cardio and muscular since water provides resistance training (mostly upper body).

Distance will depend on your pace and fitness, not to mention swim form. You'll want to do kick and pull laps, switch from 1 style to another. Endurance or cardio training will give you better results if its done for 30min+. I would aim for 1500-2000m which should take around 45min to 1hour but 1000m is a good start.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 12 2010 22:23 GMT
#107
I'd hit the gym at least 2-3x a week.

Swimming depends on what you want to get out of it. Are you going to be there to relax and unwind? Do you want to develop endurance? Speed? What?
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
January 13 2010 00:34 GMT
#108
just came back from some cycling. went for about 13km and man my legs are spent. the thought of walking the last few km actually crossed my mind lol. i guess the continuous aspect of it really changed things compared to last time. gonna try the same route next time and try improve on my time.
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 04:13:08
January 13 2010 04:12 GMT
#109
The novice effect -- Mark Rippetoe (author of Starting STrength)

http://startingstrength.com/articles/novice_effect_rippetoe.pdf

Good read especially for those of you looking to gain strength/mass and are just starting...

Basically, DO Starting Strength. That's why I put it in the OP.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
January 13 2010 14:11 GMT
#110
eshlow, what's your workout routine, what would be your brief breakdown over say a 2 week period.

I'm just curious as I change up my routine almost every 3-4 weeks as I get bored very quickly.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
January 13 2010 14:26 GMT
#111
Back home in a few days, realling looking forward to getting back into the routine and making gains. I have managed to eat reasonably well, and get in some gym now and then.

If you are still interested in picking up a martial art Energies, I may be able to help with some reccomendations.
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
January 13 2010 14:27 GMT
#112
On January 13 2010 13:12 eshlow wrote:
The novice effect -- Mark Rippetoe (author of Starting STrength)

http://startingstrength.com/articles/novice_effect_rippetoe.pdf

Good read especially for those of you looking to gain strength/mass and are just starting...

Basically, DO Starting Strength. That's why I put it in the OP.


I don't have access to barbells but I have a full dumbbell sliding weight set, and I'm wondering something. This may seem obvious, but even if I can't follow Starting Strength's literal workout routine, linear progression with just about anything (incremental increase in weight every workout like stated in the article) would be ideal, right? Like even if you are doing pushups three times a week. If you aim to do 3-5 more every other day, you will no doubt get stronger than non-linear, even if the initial set is higher? I'm very strongly leaning towards changing my entire routine to implement linear progression.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
January 13 2010 14:49 GMT
#113
Cool, I'm interested in Judo or Muay Thai. But really I want something that will really increase my athletic performance and actually be practical in self defense. Not that I want to hurt anyone, I just want the confidence from knowing I can defend myself, and not have it be a gimmick.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 13 2010 16:11 GMT
#114
On January 13 2010 23:27 Romance_us wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 13:12 eshlow wrote:
The novice effect -- Mark Rippetoe (author of Starting STrength)

http://startingstrength.com/articles/novice_effect_rippetoe.pdf

Good read especially for those of you looking to gain strength/mass and are just starting...

Basically, DO Starting Strength. That's why I put it in the OP.


I don't have access to barbells but I have a full dumbbell sliding weight set, and I'm wondering something. This may seem obvious, but even if I can't follow Starting Strength's literal workout routine, linear progression with just about anything (incremental increase in weight every workout like stated in the article) would be ideal, right? Like even if you are doing pushups three times a week. If you aim to do 3-5 more every other day, you will no doubt get stronger than non-linear, even if the initial set is higher? I'm very strongly leaning towards changing my entire routine to implement linear progression.


No, you need barbells....

Linear progression is adding weight each workout to increase strength. Adding reps is increasing endurance. Two things at the opposite end of the spectrum.

If you don't have access to anything you should do bodyweight strength work. Focusing on harder progressions... not adding more reps. It's doable but its harder because it's harder to keep strict form during tough bodyweight work, and you may not know what the progressions are.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9377 Posts
January 14 2010 18:12 GMT
#115
On January 13 2010 03:48 AeroGear wrote:
Would need more info on what kind of results you want to obtain. Swim by itself is a great exercise, both cardio and muscular since water provides resistance training (mostly upper body).

Distance will depend on your pace and fitness, not to mention swim form. You'll want to do kick and pull laps, switch from 1 style to another. Endurance or cardio training will give you better results if its done for 30min+. I would aim for 1500-2000m which should take around 45min to 1hour but 1000m is a good start.


Well, endurance is what I'm mostly going for (and losing fat too). My main strokes are Breath, Back, and Freestyle. Kick laps, mean only kick and just that right?. What does Pull Lap Mean?.

Anyways, Is there any kind of Gym workout I could mix with my Swimming training?

I plan on doing this for starters:

- 400mts Freestyle to Warmup.
- 200mts BreathStroke
- 200mts Backstroke
- 200mts Kick lap.
- 200mts Freestyle to Finish up.

If I do that, and I'm doing this for endurance. Any kind of good workout for the gym?. I want to be ripped, but that is not so important, I just want to build up a good body and a healthier self. Any kind of diet I should be going for?. I want to bulk up a little, but not too much, since I'm relatively small (1.68mts). Any specific part of the body I should aim for, so my swimming gets better?.

On January 13 2010 07:23 eshlow wrote:
I'd hit the gym at least 2-3x a week.

Swimming depends on what you want to get out of it. Are you going to be there to relax and unwind? Do you want to develop endurance? Speed? What?


So. I'd do 3 days of Swim, and then 3 days of Gym? Is that good?
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 15 2010 15:16 GMT
#116
Your gym work will suffer because of the swimming but sure if you like swimming by all means go for it.

Controlling your weight is mostly through nutrition. If you want to gain muscle you're gonna have to lift heavy weights and eat a lot.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4755 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-15 16:40:29
January 15 2010 16:38 GMT
#117
So I felt like fast-food today. But apparently I'm stupid, should have gone somewhere where I know it would taste good. So I did not only eat like shit today, it also did not taste good. And now my stomach feels like shit.

Woah, just needed to get that out somewhere.

So I will hit the gym tonight, doing excessive cardio.



"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-15 17:12:24
January 15 2010 17:11 GMT
#118
On January 16 2010 01:38 Malinor wrote:
So I felt like fast-food today. But apparently I'm stupid, should have gone somewhere where I know it would taste good. So I did not only eat like shit today, it also did not taste good. And now my stomach feels like shit.

Woah, just needed to get that out somewhere.

So I will hit the gym tonight, doing excessive cardio.


I feel ya man. I almost hate going out now because I know that there's very little "on the go" food I can eat now that won't make me sick to my stomach.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
January 15 2010 23:24 GMT
#119
I have a weightlifting competition tomorrow, wish me luck

anyone have advice on focus? I was pretty nervous in my first competition. My technique is more refined now, but I hope I wont mess up due to nerves.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Gryffindor_us
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States5606 Posts
January 16 2010 00:20 GMT
#120
I apologize if this subject has been covered already (I did search for it) but how are resistance bands compared to barbs/dumbs? Can resistance bands adequately substitute barbells? I've read somewhat but I'm curious if anyone has any experience.
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