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On January 22 2010 09:43 Foucault wrote:
Of course your body composition will be different when dieting if you're eating candy only compared to lots of protein. There is a reason people who diet to get in shape for tournaments (fitness, bodybuilders etc) eat alot of protein and cut down on the carbs. You won't get the same muscle definition on a low-protein diet UNLESS you're not that interested in muscles and do cardio training alot, because then the carbs will get burned in the process and you will end up skinny but defined.
How is carbs vs fat silly? You obviously don't have to choose either but balance both. If you cut out carbs (LCHF) you will have a very hard time adding body fat because of the role insulin plays in putting on fat. Fast carbs especially make you fat, if you're eating more calories than you use of course. If you switch out the fast carbs for veggies and carbs that are alot slower, this will have a big impact on your blood sugar levels and your body won't store as much energy as body fat.
In general, less carbs = less body fat
That being said it depends on your workout routine. If you do alot of cardio you will end up burning the carbs and remain slender. If you don't do alot of cardio and eat alot of carbs, chances are your body fat will be in the moderate-high range. It's of course dependant on your calorie intake, but alot of carbs means alot of calories.
Also, people are different. Some people handle carbs quite well and don't have as much body fat as someone else, although they eat the same amount. A common misconception is that it's ALL about calories. No, it's about your balance of macronutrients, your genetics and your workout routine as well.
Btw, it's not only about how your body looks but general health as well. Skyrocketing levels of blood sugar isn't a good thing to have.
So many arguments to cover even in in a few paragraphs, but I agree on most things, so there is really no point in nit-picking.
The only thing I really don't buy is that body composition is a causal affect of the balance of your macronutrients. When you eat 2000 calories per day you won't have body fat regardless if it is all lean meat or all rice. And as you mentioned, carbs are not all the same. The difference in stuffing yourself with 1lb of potatoes or 1lb of chocolate is obviously calories. But 2000 calories of chocolate a day and nothing else still won't make you fat, but is unhealthy on all other levels.
I just really don't see the body composition argument, that's all. Unless you are a BB or professional athlete, and you need to push it to the limit, these things don't really matter.
All in regards to weight loss. I'm not talking about gaining mass here, which obviously is another story.
And yes, therefore I hate the carbs vs fat debate with a passion. I am really careful with statements like "Most people in our culture are fat because of high carbs intake". People eat unhealthy and too much, aka Coke, fast food, processed foods in general. These foods are mostly not only high in carbs, but also in fat and calories. So the assumption that it is the high carbs in food what makes people fat is interchangeable.
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On January 22 2010 13:18 unknown.sam wrote:
since we're on the topic of diet i might as well throw this question out there.
i'm trying to lean out and breakfast is really the only time i try to stuff myself. am i right in thinking i can eat as much as i want for breakfast which usually consists of some meat w/ rice + fruit and milk. i read somewhere that the more you eat during breakfast the less you tend to eat during the day.
thoughts on this??
Um well it's not THAT big of a deal at the end of the day if your calories add up and the balance of macronutrients are decent. That being said, I wouldn't necessarily start the day with rice (white I presume?) and a huge insulin spike in the morning. You should try and switch the rice for slower carbs if possible. Some kind of porridge maybe?
If you're trying to gain weight it doesn't really matter. If you want to get lean I would think it over.
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On January 22 2010 18:15 igotmyown wrote:
I think we're at an agreement that low total calorie intake is good for losing weight, and that high protein has its detractors and supporters. I think this is much better aggregate advice than before.
I do want to know how you can advocate a high protein low carb diet but don't recommend over-eating protein. I would also feel very bad about advocating high fat diets if it proved to have strong evidence toward long term health risks, which protein hasn't.
I actually advocate high fat and protein/low carb. At the moment my own carb intake is a bit higher (because I'm a hard-gainer and try to add some muscle), so I'm maybe at 200-250 gr carbs/day. Normally I'm around 100 gr/day or less and for shorter periods I've been on 20-50 gr/day. So I haven't taken the full-on LCHF approach
Eating super much protein might be bad for your kidneys, besides there's really no point in overeating since quality protein sources tend to be somewhat more expensive than fat/carbs.
Carbs make people fat. How can anyone advocate high amounts of carbs daily to people who don't work out that much? It's hard to get fat from protein/fat diet because 1) Very hard to overeat on calories and 2) The role that insulin plays in storing body fat, and constantly low-normal blood sugar levels.
Man has been eating big amounts of protein, fat, nuts and berries since the beginning of our time. Enough said. There wasn't any pasta or rice back then
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On January 22 2010 18:59 Malinor wrote:
And yes, therefore I hate the carbs vs fat debate with a passion. I am really careful with statements like "Most people in our culture are fat because of high carbs intake". People eat unhealthy and too much, aka Coke, fast food, processed foods in general. These foods are mostly not only high in carbs, but also in fat and calories. So the assumption that it is the high carbs in food what makes people fat is interchangeable.
If we took out all the carbs from people's daily food intake, everyone would get slender quite fast. I'm not exaggerating. And the combination of fast carbs and fat is even worse because the carbs (and insulin) makes serious storage of body fat happen. If you don't know this you should read up on basic nutrition
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On January 22 2010 18:15 igotmyown wrote:
I think we're at an agreement that low total calorie intake is good for losing weight, and that high protein has its detractors and supporters. I think this is much better aggregate advice than before.
I do want to know how you can advocate a high protein low carb diet but don't recommend over-eating protein. I would also feel very bad about advocating high fat diets if it proved to have strong evidence toward long term health risks, which protein hasn't.
There is long term negative effects from eating too many carbs, especially in excess. Metabolic syndrome, diabetes, atherosclerosis, heart disease, etc. Even stuff like Alzheimers is related to this (hence why it's often called type III diabetes) and parkinsons.
Depending on the types of carbs you can have problems too like celiac, IBS, and other inflammatory stuf like ulcertive colitis, etc.
There is long term negative effects from eating poor quality fats (vegetables oils, hydrogenated/partially hydrogenated vegetable crap). Atherosclerosis, heart disease, etc.
Healthy polyunsats like Omega 3,6,9s in the right ratios, monos like olive oil, most natural saturated fats (butter, fat from grass fed meat, coconut, avocados, etc.) are all good. Nuts in moderation are fine. Some oils are good; some are bad.
Basically, there's problems with both high fat and high carb diets if you eat crappy foods, and depending on your individual genetics.
High carbs, even at levels where you're not becoming obese, tend to have more health risks than eating a lot of healthy fats. This is why I recommend high fat, moderate/high protein, low carb. BUT this is only good with QUALITY fats.
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Name/nick: Andrew
Age: 23 || Height: 6'2'' || Weight: 124kg
Starting Date: 24/01/10 || Goal Date: 01/07/10
Weight goals -- 100kg or there abouts. Just lose as much weight as possible
Training goals -- Daily aerobic workout. Goal being a fun run in august. I'd like to do the 10k in 1 hour.
Nutrition goals -- Stop eating junk food/fast food. Cut out unneccesary carbs. Eat more reguarly, instead of binging.
Misc goals -- Wanna get rid of my gut
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On January 22 2010 21:03 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 18:59 Malinor wrote:
And yes, therefore I hate the carbs vs fat debate with a passion. I am really careful with statements like "Most people in our culture are fat because of high carbs intake". People eat unhealthy and too much, aka Coke, fast food, processed foods in general. These foods are mostly not only high in carbs, but also in fat and calories. So the assumption that it is the high carbs in food what makes people fat is interchangeable. If we took out all the carbs from people's daily food intake, everyone would get slender quite fast. I'm not exaggerating. And the combination of fast carbs and fat is even worse because the carbs (and insulin) makes serious storage of body fat happen. If you don't know this you should read up on basic nutrition
If you take out all fat from people's daily food intake, everyone would also get slender quite fast. I'm also not exaggerating.
Both scenarios would result in people eating far less then usual, which will make them lose weight. One of the main reasons why the atkins-diet works. When I cut hardcore on fats, I was also eating far less then normal.
You quote me and don't even refer to my argument. Of course fast carbs+fat at the same time is terrible, but I don't deny this in the first place. My argument is, these foods are just bad in general, not only because there are fast carbs in them.
I don't even argue wether high carb or high fat is healthier in the long run. I say, you can have very good weight-loss results while having a notable carbs intake. I am not even trying to prove that you are wrong in the advice you give (because it is mainly good advice as far as I can tell). It is just that not everyone enjoys to start the day with 3-5eggs. You can lose weight very effectively, even if you must start your day with white bread and like to have rice every second day.
And telling people coming from a high carb background to follow diets without bread, pasta and rice, isn't really helping them in most cases.
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Age: 26 || Height: 6'2" or 188cm || Weight: 214 lbs/ 97 kg (prob. more now)
Starting Date: beginning of September '09 || Goal Date: probably march '10 (for weight gain)
Weight goals -- max. 242 lbs / 110kg at least >100kg (gained so far: 15kg)
Training goals -- >100kg "no" bodyfat
Misc goals --
-maitaining a weekly schedule of 3x brazilian jiujitsu 2x weight training and 1x jogging/cycling
-weightgaining up to 110kg, then switch
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On January 22 2010 23:06 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 18:15 igotmyown wrote:
I think we're at an agreement that low total calorie intake is good for losing weight, and that high protein has its detractors and supporters. I think this is much better aggregate advice than before.
I do want to know how you can advocate a high protein low carb diet but don't recommend over-eating protein. I would also feel very bad about advocating high fat diets if it proved to have strong evidence toward long term health risks, which protein hasn't. There is long term negative effects from eating too many carbs, especially in excess. Metabolic syndrome, diabetes, atherosclerosis, heart disease, etc. Even stuff like Alzheimers is related to this (hence why it's often called type III diabetes) and parkinsons. Depending on the types of carbs you can have problems too like celiac, IBS, and other inflammatory stuf like ulcertive colitis, etc. There is long term negative effects from eating poor quality fats (vegetables oils, hydrogenated/partially hydrogenated vegetable crap). Atherosclerosis, heart disease, etc. Healthy polyunsats like Omega 3,6,9s in the right ratios, monos like olive oil, most natural saturated fats (butter, fat from grass fed meat, coconut, avocados, etc.) are all good. Nuts in moderation are fine. Some oils are good; some are bad. Basically, there's problems with both high fat and high carb diets if you eat crappy foods, and depending on your individual genetics. High carbs, even at levels where you're not becoming obese, tend to have more health risks than eating a lot of healthy fats. This is why I recommend high fat, moderate/high protein, low carb. BUT this is only good with QUALITY fats.
What are you classifying as carbs? I haven't heard of problems from a diet high in veggies and wholegrains. If anything, I have heard that it is extremely healthy if balanced with some healthy fats.
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On January 23 2010 01:58 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 21:03 Foucault wrote:On January 22 2010 18:59 Malinor wrote:
And yes, therefore I hate the carbs vs fat debate with a passion. I am really careful with statements like "Most people in our culture are fat because of high carbs intake". People eat unhealthy and too much, aka Coke, fast food, processed foods in general. These foods are mostly not only high in carbs, but also in fat and calories. So the assumption that it is the high carbs in food what makes people fat is interchangeable. If we took out all the carbs from people's daily food intake, everyone would get slender quite fast. I'm not exaggerating. And the combination of fast carbs and fat is even worse because the carbs (and insulin) makes serious storage of body fat happen. If you don't know this you should read up on basic nutrition If you take out all fat from people's daily food intake, everyone would also get slender quite fast. I'm also not exaggerating. Both scenarios would result in people eating far less then usual, which will make them lose weight. One of the main reasons why the atkins-diet works. When I cut hardcore on fats, I was also eating far less then normal. You quote me and don't even refer to my argument. Of course fast carbs+fat at the same time is terrible, but I don't deny this in the first place. My argument is, these foods are just bad in general, not only because there are fast carbs in them. I don't even argue wether high carb or high fat is healthier in the long run. I say, you can have very good weight-loss results while having a notable carbs intake. I am not even trying to prove that you are wrong in the advice you give (because it is mainly good advice as far as I can tell). It is just that not everyone enjoys to start the day with 3-5eggs. You can lose weight very effectively, even if you must start your day with white bread and like to have rice every second day. I just hate those paradigms. And telling people coming from a high carb background to follow diets without bread, pasta and rice, isn't really helping them in most cases.
The thing is that carbs can be stored as body fat without any help from another macronutrient (because of the insulin spikes), while fat alone pretty much can't because eating it hardly raises the insulin levels and besides it actually burns body fat. That's why a diet high in fat and moderate-high in protein, and low in carbs is the optimal diet for pretty much everyone.
I think you seriously underestimate the energy that carbs provide. It's much easier over-eating on carbs than on fat + protein. One more bad thing about fast carbs is that when your blood sugar levels drop alot, you want to eat something sweet and could kill for candy or a coca-cola.
The atkins diet is about far more than weight loss, it's about huge health benefits as well. Also the atkins diet will be superior when cutting compared to a high carb diet, if you want to keep muscle and shed body fat that is.
What on earth do you mean with "these foods are just bad in general"? I'm done discussing with you if you put forward arguments like that lol. Fast food is bad mainly because of the high amount of bad fats and fast carbs. They're not bad in general, they often times become "bad" because of the bad nutrition they provide, ie fast carbs in combination with alot of bad fat.
Ok, for like the third time: There's a difference between different kinds of weight loss. Let's say 2 people both loose 20 pounds of weight. Hooray! However one of them has lost alot of muscle and is still flabby although he is skinny. The other one has defined muscles and hardly any body fat. THIS is due to their individual balance of macronutrients, vitamins, minerals etc. Lots of fat and protein is very anabolic, carbs aren't. There's no denying that.
Eating white bread, unless you need to put on weight and it's for a smaller period of time, I wouldn't recommend anyone to do. The carbs in white bread are about as fast as regular sugar, do you have any idea what sort of insulin spike that results in? Your blood sugar levels will sky-rocket and your body will be ready to put on body fat. In the long run there are alot of health risks with eating this way too; diabetes, heart failure, alzheimers etc.
I have no idea why you hate paradigms, and neither do I care much. I'm not telling you anything, you eat exactly what you like mister. You make it sound like lowcarb, high-fat/protein is an attack on your personality in some way.
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On January 23 2010 03:01 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 23:06 eshlow wrote:On January 22 2010 18:15 igotmyown wrote:
I think we're at an agreement that low total calorie intake is good for losing weight, and that high protein has its detractors and supporters. I think this is much better aggregate advice than before.
I do want to know how you can advocate a high protein low carb diet but don't recommend over-eating protein. I would also feel very bad about advocating high fat diets if it proved to have strong evidence toward long term health risks, which protein hasn't. There is long term negative effects from eating too many carbs, especially in excess. Metabolic syndrome, diabetes, atherosclerosis, heart disease, etc. Even stuff like Alzheimers is related to this (hence why it's often called type III diabetes) and parkinsons. Depending on the types of carbs you can have problems too like celiac, IBS, and other inflammatory stuf like ulcertive colitis, etc. There is long term negative effects from eating poor quality fats (vegetables oils, hydrogenated/partially hydrogenated vegetable crap). Atherosclerosis, heart disease, etc. Healthy polyunsats like Omega 3,6,9s in the right ratios, monos like olive oil, most natural saturated fats (butter, fat from grass fed meat, coconut, avocados, etc.) are all good. Nuts in moderation are fine. Some oils are good; some are bad. Basically, there's problems with both high fat and high carb diets if you eat crappy foods, and depending on your individual genetics. High carbs, even at levels where you're not becoming obese, tend to have more health risks than eating a lot of healthy fats. This is why I recommend high fat, moderate/high protein, low carb. BUT this is only good with QUALITY fats. What are you classifying as carbs? I haven't heard of problems from a diet high in veggies and wholegrains. If anything, I have heard that it is extremely healthy if balanced with some healthy fats.
Well everything with carbs in it are effectively carbs. However the glycemic index will vary quite alot between different carbs. That means that some carbs (like veggies for instance) are much slower and therefore doesn't affect your blood sugar levels as much as faster carbs like white bread, pasta, rice etc.
The thing is though that no matter what kind of carbs, they will turn into sugar in your body; some faster, some slower. In general it's the faster carbs you want to cut out of your diet. Some people argue that almost all carbs should be cut out but I'm with the veggies, nuts etc. Personally I only eat faster carbs like rice, pasta etc after my workouts. Otherwise I'm pretty LCHF
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On January 23 2010 03:56 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 01:58 Malinor wrote:On January 22 2010 21:03 Foucault wrote:On January 22 2010 18:59 Malinor wrote:
And yes, therefore I hate the carbs vs fat debate with a passion. I am really careful with statements like "Most people in our culture are fat because of high carbs intake". People eat unhealthy and too much, aka Coke, fast food, processed foods in general. These foods are mostly not only high in carbs, but also in fat and calories. So the assumption that it is the high carbs in food what makes people fat is interchangeable. If we took out all the carbs from people's daily food intake, everyone would get slender quite fast. I'm not exaggerating. And the combination of fast carbs and fat is even worse because the carbs (and insulin) makes serious storage of body fat happen. If you don't know this you should read up on basic nutrition If you take out all fat from people's daily food intake, everyone would also get slender quite fast. I'm also not exaggerating. Both scenarios would result in people eating far less then usual, which will make them lose weight. One of the main reasons why the atkins-diet works. When I cut hardcore on fats, I was also eating far less then normal. You quote me and don't even refer to my argument. Of course fast carbs+fat at the same time is terrible, but I don't deny this in the first place. My argument is, these foods are just bad in general, not only because there are fast carbs in them. I don't even argue wether high carb or high fat is healthier in the long run. I say, you can have very good weight-loss results while having a notable carbs intake. I am not even trying to prove that you are wrong in the advice you give (because it is mainly good advice as far as I can tell). It is just that not everyone enjoys to start the day with 3-5eggs. You can lose weight very effectively, even if you must start your day with white bread and like to have rice every second day. I just hate those paradigms. And telling people coming from a high carb background to follow diets without bread, pasta and rice, isn't really helping them in most cases. The thing is that carbs can be stored as body fat without any help from another macronutrient (because of the insulin spikes), while fat alone pretty much can't because eating it hardly raises the insulin levels and besides it actually burns body fat. That's why a diet high in fat and moderate-high in protein, and low in carbs is the optimal diet for pretty much everyone. I think you seriously underestimate the energy that carbs provide. It's much easier over-eating on carbs than on fat + protein. One more bad thing about fast carbs is that when your blood sugar levels drop alot, you want to eat something sweet and could kill for candy or a coca-cola. The atkins diet is about far more than weight loss, it's about huge health benefits as well. Also the atkins diet will be superior when cutting compared to a high carb diet, if you want to keep muscle and shed body fat that is. What on earth do you mean with "these foods are just bad in general"? I'm done discussing with you if you put forward arguments like that lol. Fast food is bad mainly because of the high amount of bad fats and fast carbs. They're not bad in general, they often times become "bad" because of the bad nutrition they provide, ie fast carbs in combination with alot of bad fat. Ok, for like the third time: There's a difference between different kinds of weight loss. Let's say 2 people both loose 20 pounds of weight. Hooray! However one of them has lost alot of muscle and is still flabby although he is skinny. The other one has defined muscles and hardly any body fat. THIS is due to their individual balance of macronutrients, vitamins, minerals etc. Lots of fat and protein is very anabolic, carbs aren't. There's no denying that. Eating white bread, unless you need to put on weight and it's for a smaller period of time, I wouldn't recommend anyone to do. The carbs in white bread are about as fast as regular sugar, do you have any idea what sort of insulin spike that results in? Your blood sugar levels will sky-rocket and your body will be ready to put on body fat. In the long run there are alot of health risks with eating this way too; diabetes, heart failure, alzheimers etc. I have no idea why you hate paradigms, and neither do I care much. I'm not telling you anything, you eat exactly what you like mister. You make it sound like lowcarb, high-fat/protein is an attack on your personality in some way.
You don't seem to get my point in any way. And I guess the same thing can be said about me getting yours. These different kind of weight losses you are talking about, that's complete non-sense to me. Two people losing 20 pounds while the first one loses fat and the other one loses muscle has mainly to do with what they do to keep their muslces/ put on muscles, working out that is. Potatoes and fruits are among the most healthy things you can eat, you think they make you flabby because they are high carbs?
I would love it if you show me the diabetic persons which became diabetic because of eating too much fruits with high glycemic index, and not through refined sugar.
About paradigms, just to clearify where I come from. I was basically a overweight kid, and obese for most of the time since I'm 12 or so. I am getting advice about nutrition since 20 years, from teachers, parents, experts, doctors and studies (note: me being overweight has more to do with lack of discipline than lack of knowledge) .
What I have been told has changed throughout the years and there was so much ill advice, also by doctors and experts. As I mentioned before: Around 10 years ago, fat was bad, doctors where saying it, there were studies which confirmed it, low-fat products were all over the place. I lost 40kg by avoiding fats.
But they were all wrong anyway. And now they are smarter because they found out carbs are bad? I just don't believe that stuff anymore. I guarantee you, ten years from now they will have found out new stuff, and they will have plenty of studies to support their new findings.
Eshlow has covered this in the OP: Eat real food! That's what I believe in.
Carbs aren't bad, refined carbs are. That's about it.
And when I talked about fast food being bad in general, I actually meant the combination of refined carbs, high fat plus flavor enhancers and that kind of crap. That should not have been too hard to understand.
That's the last thing I will write about this topic. As you said, I'm done discussing with you. I guess we can agree on the fact that we disagree and move on with the thread.
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Yeah, this doesn't lead anywhere. You should read up on some basic nutrition before trying to argue over things for no reason.
Basically, you don't seem to actually know much about nutrition and I'm just not saying this. I'm not an expert either I should mention but I've read up on nutrition a couple of years now. Then again it's always interesting to discuss these things.
I totally get what you mean dude. But you're just repeating "I lost weight with a carb-diet". I'm all for that lol. But if YOU don't get that a high protein intake when cutting will help you save muscle and loose more fat instead (on a calorie-deficient diet), you are very wrong sir.
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On January 23 2010 06:08 Foucault wrote:
I totally get what you mean dude. But you're just repeating "I lost weight with a carb-diet". I'm all for that lol. But if YOU don't get that a high protein intake when cutting will help you save muscle and loose more fat instead (on a calorie-deficient diet), you are very wrong sir.
There is not one line where I argue this. I exactly know which sentences you are reffering to, but I simply don't want to say that. I not even once talk about protein.
However, I plan on reading more about nutrition in the next weeks anyway. I've read countless hours about strength training the last couple of months and need a break from that 
When there is overwhelming evidence for what you what you were saying to me, I will come here and admit that I was wrong. I am not that narrow-minded and don't want to learn.
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On January 23 2010 03:01 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 23:06 eshlow wrote:On January 22 2010 18:15 igotmyown wrote:
I think we're at an agreement that low total calorie intake is good for losing weight, and that high protein has its detractors and supporters. I think this is much better aggregate advice than before.
I do want to know how you can advocate a high protein low carb diet but don't recommend over-eating protein. I would also feel very bad about advocating high fat diets if it proved to have strong evidence toward long term health risks, which protein hasn't. There is long term negative effects from eating too many carbs, especially in excess. Metabolic syndrome, diabetes, atherosclerosis, heart disease, etc. Even stuff like Alzheimers is related to this (hence why it's often called type III diabetes) and parkinsons. Depending on the types of carbs you can have problems too like celiac, IBS, and other inflammatory stuf like ulcertive colitis, etc. There is long term negative effects from eating poor quality fats (vegetables oils, hydrogenated/partially hydrogenated vegetable crap). Atherosclerosis, heart disease, etc. Healthy polyunsats like Omega 3,6,9s in the right ratios, monos like olive oil, most natural saturated fats (butter, fat from grass fed meat, coconut, avocados, etc.) are all good. Nuts in moderation are fine. Some oils are good; some are bad. Basically, there's problems with both high fat and high carb diets if you eat crappy foods, and depending on your individual genetics. High carbs, even at levels where you're not becoming obese, tend to have more health risks than eating a lot of healthy fats. This is why I recommend high fat, moderate/high protein, low carb. BUT this is only good with QUALITY fats. What are you classifying as carbs? I haven't heard of problems from a diet high in veggies and wholegrains. If anything, I have heard that it is extremely healthy if balanced with some healthy fats.
Like I said (although vaguely), it depends on how you individually handle it.
In general, fruits and veggies are good.
Most people from what I've seen do better (performance, strength and mass) without gluten/grains AT ALL. Not just celiacs, IBS, ulcerative colitis, etc.
Thus, grains tend to be "bad" most of the time although most people won't notice effects unless they have particular bad allergic reactions via celiac et al. If you don't feel free to keep eating them -- but if you want to take yourself to the next level it may be a good idea to try gluten free diet. Doesn't work for everyone -- but it does for most people.
Processed foods with carbs/fat/etc. are universally poor.
Any carbs from whole foods tend to be good. Nuts have some carbs and fiber. Meat has some carbs from glycogen stores in the muscles. Etc.
I know some of the more hardcore guys tend to eschew fruit almost completely. Given that it's mostly natural sugars which are pro-inflammatory (all carbs are pro-inflammatory in mammals/plants), that's the reason why they have tons of anti-oxidants in them. To help mitigate the oxidative damage from pro-inflammatory response.
I tend to just go with everything in moderation.
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had another cycling adventure today and decided to change my route. i noticed this carpenter dude was also cycling so i thought i'd follow him seeming as how he looked pretty fit. so there i was on his tail for about 15 or so minutes. then he slowly started pulling away from me so i went for a higher gear to try and catch up. naturally it made pedaling a little more challenging which resulted in me being even slower than i was originally. by the time i went back down a gear the carpenter dude must've been like over 100m ahead so i was like fuck that and went back to my original route lol.
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So is it ok to start lifting when I still want to lose some more weight or would it hinder progress with weight loss, even though I would be doing the same amount of cardio I have been doing before starting to lift? I would like to start lifting, but I still have 10 to 12 more pounds I want to lose.
So, for weight lifting, could I use the Practical Programming Novice Program in the OP, and substitute leg presses for squats? I would also add on normal crunches, leg raises, and bicycle crunches in order to work the abs. If I were to add ab excercises in, how often should I do them?
Would this be a balanced program for a beginner just starting to lift?
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On January 23 2010 12:47 Flow.of.soul wrote:
So is it ok to start lifting when I still want to lose some more weight or would it hinder progress with weight loss, even though I would be doing the same amount of cardio I have been doing before starting to lift? I would like to start lifting, but I still have 10 to 12 more pounds I want to lose.
So, for weight lifting, could I use the Practical Programming Novice Program in the OP, and substitute leg presses for squats? I would also add on normal crunches, leg raises, and bicycle crunches in order to work the abs. If I were to add ab excercises in, how often should I do them?
Would this be a balanced program for a beginner just starting to lift?
Yes, weightlifting is good for losing weight if you eat a bit less with quality foods.
Go with Starting Strength. Don't modify the program -- it works well as is.
In fact, if you're going with SS just eat isocalorically and you will see pretty good results as the linear progression kicks in.
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You need to stop thinking about WEIGHT gain and WEIGHT loss. Think about muscle gain and fat loss.
Weight training will significantly compound your fat loss for myriad of reasons. Increased metabolism, a lot of extra calories needed to fuel your muscles and the release of a lot of testosterone and growth hormone. I advocate it as much as saying if you had a choice of cardio vs weight training for weight loss and you could only do 1, I'd pick weight training.
The workout specified in the op requires you to Squat, it's a compound exercise working majority of your muscle groups, quite importantly your lower back and core. You won't get the same from leg press. Learn to squat.
I know people who work abs on every workout. I personally only workout abs 1-2 times a week with some basic crunches, weighted crunches, medicine ball oblique twists and leg raises.
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