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On July 01 2010 00:32 love1another wrote:Wait... the link in there: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=122226561I just read through the entire thread and people seem to think it's fucking hilarious. Did I miss something? I mean, sure the spelling was bad, he spelled biceps wrong, and probably understated the calorie count by 50%, but other than that, it seems like a legitimate guide right? (I'm serious not trolling) I mean do girls really care if you have nice quads? And if I do the exercise in a similar (albeit less extreme) fashion as he describes will I indeed become insanely tone? Btw, I'm currently at the point where while standing without flexing my upper abs are totally visible, but I need to flex to make my lower abs visible, which is really inconvenient. Since I'm not a fan of starving myself or cardio, what kind of timescale could I look at for daily weight-training to show results in body fat reduction? If it takes longer than 3-4 days, I'm gonna consider eating nothing but protein and salad, and maybe maybe (maybe) do some treadmill. (I really hate cardio) Anyway, thanks guys. (if I'm sounding like a douche, plz pm me, though I think my intentions and goals are pretty clear right?)
Dear god i hope you're not being too serious...You quite literally need to change your entire workout. And yes, i have had girls compliment me on my legs and back muscles, and those are by far the most rewarding ones.
As for your ab dilemma, tough luck. You're looking for a 5 minute solution to a problem that doesnt have one.
-Most importantly eat healthy. ~40% protein ~40% fat ~20% carbs is prob your best bet. On days youre not lifting have a 500 cal deficit. On days you are lifting get enough protein and calories so your gains don't go to waste (someone correct me if this is wrong)
-Do compound lifts like SQUATS and POWERCLEANS that will build your core as well as your whole body. SUPPLEMENT(not replace) with a weighted ab session.
-Luckily you can avoid the treadmill. Instead do some intense intervals of swimming or sprints or rowing. ~10-15 minutes of say, sprinting up a hill then jogging down it and repeat should do you fine.
-Following these steps i'm guessing you could lose up to .5-1% of bf a week or so, which means you could see your lower abs in as little as 2-3 weeks since you can already see your upper without flexing.
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On July 01 2010 03:18 Misrah wrote:So i have to ask again- is anyone interested in doing online crossfit with me? i need someone to help motivate me to do more work faster 
If only there were more days in a week i would :-p
Anyways, as for using TL as my lifting log (i really should just make one lol)
Round 2 of squatting started today, 10x205 10x235 10x260 10x285 10x315 my god was that brutal. Powered through the last 2 purely on mental will power/adrenaline. Followed up with 4x8 supersets of pull ups (switched to kippling pull ups after the first 2 of strict) and bent over rows at 135, incline bench, and upright rows/front raises (hoping my shoulder will be pain free soon enough!)
Afterwards i did 3x 400m intervals (100jog/100sprint/100jog/100sprint) up from 2 last time, going to keep adding another 400m each time (3 times a week) for as long as i can. Music/pretending i was playing rugby got me through the last one, on my last 100m dead sprint the first 60m literally evaporated and it my vision got all tunnel like it was fucking nuts. Hopefully i'll be in better shape for cleveland 7's tourney next weekend whee
/end quadruple post sorry ^_^
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On July 01 2010 10:08 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2010 00:23 AoN.DimSum wrote:[ On June 30 2010 12:41 decafchicken wrote:
DimSum what do your workouts look like? I've never really had an oly centered workout and i might wanna do a bit of it while i still have access to mats + rubber weights for the summer. I've pretty much always done a powerlifting centered workout with maybe an oly lift or too added in. Also, you didn't list a number for deadlifting...do you even deadlift? I dont deadlift because it isnt part of my program. In some oly programs people deadlift, so its not uncommon. It just depends on your coach and what system they train in. My program varies in different stages toward a competition. my workout right now. After it says "others", it just means it something i do exercises I think I should do after my main workout. The reps and sets vary from week to week. Also if I am feeling good I will go heavier and if I feel bad I can go lighter or have less sets. Usually the reps are singles, doubles or triples. I usually do doubles for most things. + Show Spoiler +
MON
snatch hang or off block
snatch pull
front squat
-----others
overhead press in front squat position (not sure whats it called)
back extensions
abs
TUES
clean hang or off block
rack jerk
clean pull
----others
pull ups
abs
WED
snatch balance
jerk behind neck
back squat
----others
overhead press
back extensions
abs
FRI
power snatch
power clean
SAT
snatch
clean and jerk
back squat
--others
pull ups
abs
Jesus no wonder you're such a beast lol. Really wish i had an olympic gym/club/coach to workout with here/and at school, it looks like something i'd like to mix in with my powerlifting and would really help my explosiveness for rugby.
I can give you a basic idea of a workout, im still a beginner so take my advice on workouts with a grain of salt. Since you are training for rugby you probably just need power versions of olympic lifts. If you can, I would really suggest looking for a coach. Where do you live? It is better to learn the lifts right, rather then do it by yourself and pick up bad habits. It is a lot harder to unlearn bad technique. I learned the hard way. 
If you lift 3 days, you could do
day 1
power snatch
snatch pull
front squat
day 2
power clean
push jerk (easiest jerk to learn)
clean pull
back squat
day 3
power snatch
power clean and push jerk
back squat
For right now, I would do bar work for power snatch, clean, and jerk in the beginning or after your workouts now just to get use to the motion. No weight, just get the feel for it.
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On July 01 2010 10:27 AoN.DimSum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2010 10:08 decafchicken wrote:On July 01 2010 00:23 AoN.DimSum wrote:[ On June 30 2010 12:41 decafchicken wrote:
DimSum what do your workouts look like? I've never really had an oly centered workout and i might wanna do a bit of it while i still have access to mats + rubber weights for the summer. I've pretty much always done a powerlifting centered workout with maybe an oly lift or too added in. Also, you didn't list a number for deadlifting...do you even deadlift? I dont deadlift because it isnt part of my program. In some oly programs people deadlift, so its not uncommon. It just depends on your coach and what system they train in. My program varies in different stages toward a competition. my workout right now. After it says "others", it just means it something i do exercises I think I should do after my main workout. The reps and sets vary from week to week. Also if I am feeling good I will go heavier and if I feel bad I can go lighter or have less sets. Usually the reps are singles, doubles or triples. I usually do doubles for most things. + Show Spoiler +
MON
snatch hang or off block
snatch pull
front squat
-----others
overhead press in front squat position (not sure whats it called)
back extensions
abs
TUES
clean hang or off block
rack jerk
clean pull
----others
pull ups
abs
WED
snatch balance
jerk behind neck
back squat
----others
overhead press
back extensions
abs
FRI
power snatch
power clean
SAT
snatch
clean and jerk
back squat
--others
pull ups
abs
Jesus no wonder you're such a beast lol. Really wish i had an olympic gym/club/coach to workout with here/and at school, it looks like something i'd like to mix in with my powerlifting and would really help my explosiveness for rugby. I can give you a basic idea of a workout, im still a beginner so take my advice on workouts with a grain of salt. Since you are training for rugby you probably just need power versions of olympic lifts. If you can, I would really suggest looking for a coach. Where do you live? It is better to learn the lifts right, rather then do it by yourself and pick up bad habits. It is a lot harder to unlearn bad technique. I learned the hard way. If you lift 3 days, you could do day 1 power snatch snatch pull front squat day 2 power clean push jerk (easiest jerk to learn) clean pull back squat day 3 power snatch power clean and push jerk back squat For right now, I would do bar work for power snatch, clean, and jerk in the beginning or after your workouts now just to get use to the motion. No weight, just get the feel for it.
Well i can powerclean(not regular clean...i need to work on my hand flexibility lol) and powerjerk pretty well i think, ill try to take video of my form some time. Used to have a great strength coach back when i was 14-15 which was gave me a pretty solid foundation. Only done snatch a few times though. Power is basically the same just in regular clean/snatch/jerk you go into a full squat and in power you don't? I live outside of detroit and go to school at michigan state btw
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On July 01 2010 12:35 AoN.DimSum wrote:http://weightlifting.teamusa.org/states-for-state-map/michiganif any of these gyms are close to you, it might not hurt to try it out. Yes you are right, power snatch/clean is to catch the bar above parallel. Plus power versions are easier to learn and i think its more useful for sports anyway.
Sick you're my hero. theres one like a mile away from my house at school and one like 10 minutes from home. Apparently according to some forum the guy at the one by home's main guy is a huge purist and doesnt want antyhing to do with you if you arent an OL purist who wants to compete lol. I'll still check it out.
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i went over 200 for squats! 3x5 205 lb!
=D =D =D =D
but my form suffered a lot during the last reps. i should stick with it before moving up.
also the rest of my workout sucked. my pullups are pathetic.
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On July 01 2010 10:27 AoN.DimSum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2010 10:08 decafchicken wrote:On July 01 2010 00:23 AoN.DimSum wrote:[ On June 30 2010 12:41 decafchicken wrote:
DimSum what do your workouts look like? I've never really had an oly centered workout and i might wanna do a bit of it while i still have access to mats + rubber weights for the summer. I've pretty much always done a powerlifting centered workout with maybe an oly lift or too added in. Also, you didn't list a number for deadlifting...do you even deadlift? I dont deadlift because it isnt part of my program. In some oly programs people deadlift, so its not uncommon. It just depends on your coach and what system they train in. My program varies in different stages toward a competition. my workout right now. After it says "others", it just means it something i do exercises I think I should do after my main workout. The reps and sets vary from week to week. Also if I am feeling good I will go heavier and if I feel bad I can go lighter or have less sets. Usually the reps are singles, doubles or triples. I usually do doubles for most things. + Show Spoiler +
MON
snatch hang or off block
snatch pull
front squat
-----others
overhead press in front squat position (not sure whats it called)
back extensions
abs
TUES
clean hang or off block
rack jerk
clean pull
----others
pull ups
abs
WED
snatch balance
jerk behind neck
back squat
----others
overhead press
back extensions
abs
FRI
power snatch
power clean
SAT
snatch
clean and jerk
back squat
--others
pull ups
abs
Jesus no wonder you're such a beast lol. Really wish i had an olympic gym/club/coach to workout with here/and at school, it looks like something i'd like to mix in with my powerlifting and would really help my explosiveness for rugby. I can give you a basic idea of a workout, im still a beginner so take my advice on workouts with a grain of salt. Since you are training for rugby you probably just need power versions of olympic lifts. If you can, I would really suggest looking for a coach. Where do you live? It is better to learn the lifts right, rather then do it by yourself and pick up bad habits. It is a lot harder to unlearn bad technique. I learned the hard way. If you lift 3 days, you could do day 1 power snatch snatch pull front squat day 2 power clean push jerk (easiest jerk to learn) clean pull back squat day 3 power snatch power clean and push jerk back squat For right now, I would do bar work for power snatch, clean, and jerk in the beginning or after your workouts now just to get use to the motion. No weight, just get the feel for it.
Because you seem really knowledgeable on oly lifts- i have a question. What should a 165 lb male be lifting for dead, snatch, front / back squat, and clean / power clean?
+ Show Spoiler +Currently with a body weight of 165 Deadlift is 325 Snatch is 115 Back sqaut is 255 Clean is 160 Power Clean 160 Im not sure if these are 'appropriate' for someone of my weight- i was just wondering what your input would be  thanks for your time
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I dont understand the obsession with pulling heavy weights .
fyi when i was 10 years younger i was benching like 150kg = 330lbs for couple of reps.
now days i bench like 100kg and prolly i have bigger pecs anyway. Same with arms training
I had around 20 inch arms and i could load up everything in tricepts.
I still have around that measurment nowdays but i barely can lift half the weight .
What i dont have though is injuries of any kind.
My point is that , unless ur opt for a sport that requires str or explosiveness , going for big weight will only result in more injuries in the future ( ok i get the inflated ego thing but still )
You can still look good and healthy pulling fewer weights.
You do good for ur joints and overall health anyway .
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@st3roids: like most people i started working out for aesthetics. but after learning how strong some of the tl members are it really influenced me to focus on strength. not to mention its hella fun
sentiments aside, it's actually true on how quickly you get your strength back. i'm basically only one training session away from equaling my PR for weighted pull ups which took me 3 months (3x/wk) to achieve. this time around it's only taken me a little over a month (2x/wk). hopefully this time i'll be able to eclipse my PR, i'm still a looooooong way away from my goal of +30% bw for 3x5.
@malinor: what do you Press btw? i'm guessing around 135-150?
@misrah: i know i'm not dim but i think your numbers are solid for someone who does not train purely for strength. if i remember correctly you do crossfit workouts right? but you obviously can and will get much stronger if you were to train in the same manner as dim.
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@kainzero
nice job!, record yourself if you can! nobody posts much videos. I like watching other people lift.
@decaf
Thats funny about the coach. Actually competing for the first time actually got me even more motivated about weightlifting. It was a fun experience.
@ Misrah
I wouldnt want to judge your numbers, because I have a different view on training. Since you are doing crossfit, you have different goals. It is more about endurance than technique and power.
@steroids
I could say the same thing about trying to get big, what other point of getting big other than for your ego? Everyone has different goals in what they want to do with training. I never cared about getting big, I just like lifting heavy weights. What is more fun than throwing heavy weights over your head? :D
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On July 01 2010 22:17 st3roids wrote:
I dont understand the obsession with pulling heavy weights .
fyi when i was 10 years younger i was benching like 150kg = 330lbs for couple of reps.
now days i bench like 100kg and prolly i have bigger pecs anyway. Same with arms training
I had around 20 inch arms and i could load up everything in tricepts.
I still have around that measurment nowdays but i barely can lift half the weight .
What i dont have though is injuries of any kind.
My point is that , unless ur opt for a sport that requires str or explosiveness , going for big weight will only result in more injuries in the future ( ok i get the inflated ego thing but still )
You can still look good and healthy pulling fewer weights.
You do good for ur joints and overall health anyway .
well let's see...the challenge, the rewarding feeling, improving yourself, its practical to be able to move a lot of weight, its fun as hell lift multiple times your own body weight, knowing you're leaving all your energy in the weight room, etc.
Oh yeah and I do it for sports too.
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On July 01 2010 23:49 unknown.sam wrote:
@malinor: what do you Press btw? i'm guessing around 135-150?
No, much more. I have done 165x5 2-3 months ago, not on the same level right now but close. I will max out in a few days and I can tell you my max-single.
@steroids (your username speaks volumes btw): When I did bodybuilding stuff, after a few months I was asking for a TV in the gym. It was never fun. Since I'm focussing on strength and power, I have actually fun in the gym. And of course it is functional plus I'm big enough anyway.
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so, lol
it took forever but after being patient, my wrist felt at about 98% so i decided to give a workout a go today
apparently it was a bad idea. it was going fine until planche.
boom, i move into advanced tuck planche
- ow, shit. have to get out right away cuz my wrist starts hurting immediately, i wouldn't be surprised if i set it back another week. currently icing it atm.
so, i figure i'll just skip tommorrow, then do workouts but cut out planche work, it's really only that which seems to antagonize it
also, eshlow, a question about gymnastic ratings. cuz i don't understand them.
front lever is rated A, right? and so is back lever? does this make any sense? I have been training front lever for nearly a year and i have almost never trained back lever yet i am still a good ways away from front lever and i can pretty much do a full back lever(though with shitty form). i really don't understand that.
oh, eshlow, another question
i want to work on splits
so i went to do exercise #1, here:
http://members.fortunecity.com/tchb1/Splits.htm
but.. even that is kinda intense for me. just getting in position at all where my hands could reach the ground like that it felt like it was kind of too intense, i was worried about pulling something. what should i do instead? maybe just do it but put blocks on the ground for my hands?
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On July 01 2010 22:17 st3roids wrote:
I dont understand the obsession with pulling heavy weights .
fyi when i was 10 years younger i was benching like 150kg = 330lbs for couple of reps.
now days i bench like 100kg and prolly i have bigger pecs anyway. Same with arms training
I had around 20 inch arms and i could load up everything in tricepts.
I still have around that measurment nowdays but i barely can lift half the weight .
What i dont have though is injuries of any kind.
My point is that , unless ur opt for a sport that requires str or explosiveness , going for big weight will only result in more injuries in the future ( ok i get the inflated ego thing but still )
You can still look good and healthy pulling fewer weights.
You do good for ur joints and overall health anyway .
some people are less concerned with vanity and more concerned with what they can accomplish
it's also extremely amusing you mention ego when you apparently lift for appearance
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On July 02 2010 00:01 AoN.DimSum wrote:@kainzero nice job!, record yourself if you can! nobody posts much videos. I like watching other people lift.
I usually work out alone, and the only video recording device I have is my DSLR, which is not inconspicous enough when training at a commercial gym. =( I'll see if I can get some video though. It probably will not be pretty.
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Sure so i guess u all gonna be competing into the olympics in 2012 then.
Spare me with ambition thing lol ill be weight lift 18 years , thats more than some guys overall age here.
Just a notice when ur back or ur joints will killing you some years after , come and tell me how ambitious u were , i call it ego u can call it as u like.
ps it just a tip though just consider it a bit more than starting with the - im not opting for vanity and im ambitious to break the world record
ps2 i lift for been healthy overall , none that likes to look good does this for 18 years
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im sorry if I insulted you st3roids. I am not actually a lifter, but if I was I'd probably be attempting to get the highest numbers simply because I love being competitive, even if it was just with myself.
are joint problems really a sure thing with lifting heavy? I don't know of this.
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