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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
December 11 2010 20:55 GMT
#4041
On December 12 2010 05:44 sJarl wrote:
On a side note: how many of you do specific work for the rotator cuff?


http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/criticalbench24.htm

I also feel like snatches are helping my shoulder strength a fuck ton.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
December 11 2010 21:00 GMT
#4042
On December 12 2010 05:54 travis wrote:
u know the weirdest thing is that i can just act like im chewing food and it won't necessarily cramp up

but as soon as i even fucking take a tiny bit of real food it cramps up immediately




well, maybe it's passed now. *tries to eat his food*


edit: no it hasn't. i just picked up my plate of food and fucking LOOKED AT IT and my jaw started cramping

wtf is going on?? this is the weirdest shit in the world


I think you just forgot to take your CELL TECH


@Decaf: If you are successfully snatching your shoulders are in general pretty damn solid, lol.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 11 2010 21:01 GMT
#4043
lmao


seriously though, this is disturbing. as i can't eat and im hungry and when i try it hurts really bad.

well w/e it will prolly pass within the next half hour
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
December 11 2010 21:16 GMT
#4044
This is indeed quite strange. Always when I get crams it is because i'm dehydrated and lacking in minerals. Is that in your case?

Worst case scenario: take forth your blender and chug away
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Koagel
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria167 Posts
December 11 2010 21:17 GMT
#4045
On December 12 2010 05:45 travis wrote:
lately ive been getting cramps in my jaw

I get cramps too, magnesium works fine for me. Just make sure you get the necessary electrolytes and enough fluid.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 11 2010 21:25 GMT
#4046
travis,

is the pain AT the TMJ? Or is it lower or higher? Can you get a pic and mark it?

First thing I would do is:

1. loosen up the back of the neck muscles with your fingers + stretch them
2. Massage your masseter
3. Massage temporalis muscle
4. Open jaw as hard as you can and hold for 15-20s a bunch of times

Those 4 things tend to help reset TMJ mechanics if that's what's going wrong there.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
December 11 2010 22:12 GMT
#4047
liquid diet?
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 11 2010 22:22 GMT
#4048
im having a little problem finding a good picture, but it does seem to be in about the area of the TMJ. i dont know what the AT is. it might be slightly lower than the TMJ.

i can feel something slightly shift out of place if i purposely slide my jaw from left to right back and forth. the weird thing is there is no popping or noise associated, though.

i will try those steps though, ty
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
December 11 2010 22:32 GMT
#4049

Increase freq is only a problem if there's increased workload.

Soemthing like SS where you're 3x a week with only 3-4 exercises per workout is fairly easy to recover from.

4-5x a week full body is less likely to recover from unelss you have good conditioning level.

Again, I have no clue what you're actually doing so its hard to say. If you're on some sort of split would say just to drop it and go with a full body routine 3x a week.


I posted my workouts/exercise splits, so I'm not sure what you mean by having no clue what I'm doing.
Is it actually realistic to be able to do, for example, deadlift, bench, squats and chinups all on the same day, 3x a week and be able to regularly increase weights? I've been working out for ~2years where I've been benching regularly (squats and deadlift were added to my workout after the summer this year) so can I really expect a sort of "novice effect" that's seen in SS doing this?
BcGladiator
Profile Joined July 2010
United States58 Posts
December 11 2010 22:37 GMT
#4050
Hey Travis, just did some brief research (aka googling) and came to a page on temporomandibular joint disorder on wikipedia.

Symptoms associated with TMJ disorders may be:
Biting or chewing difficulty or discomfort
Clicking, popping, or grating sound when opening or closing the mouth
Dull, aching pain in the face
Earache (particularly in the morning)
Headache (particularly in the morning)
Hearing loss
Migraine (particularly in the morning)
Jaw pain or tenderness of the jaw
Reduced ability to open or close the mouth
Tinnitus
Neck and shoulder pain


Now I'm not a doctor or an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but here is something that does explain the symptoms, and you can also check if you have any of the other symptoms associated with said disorder.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
December 12 2010 00:14 GMT
#4051
Omg.. tons of alcohol, weed and food. Wake up after 5 hours of sleep and I feel amazing. I'm getting way too good at this. This is ridiculous.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Koagel
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria167 Posts
December 12 2010 01:38 GMT
#4052
Deadlifted 150kg x5 today. Didn't feel very tiring for the back, but I almost couldn't hold the bar any longer after the last rep.
Ah, and there's a christmas tree in the gym now. The smell of a fir is kinda nice after a workout.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 12 2010 05:39 GMT
#4053
On December 12 2010 07:32 Sinep wrote:
Show nested quote +

Increase freq is only a problem if there's increased workload.

Soemthing like SS where you're 3x a week with only 3-4 exercises per workout is fairly easy to recover from.

4-5x a week full body is less likely to recover from unelss you have good conditioning level.

Again, I have no clue what you're actually doing so its hard to say. If you're on some sort of split would say just to drop it and go with a full body routine 3x a week.


I posted my workouts/exercise splits, so I'm not sure what you mean by having no clue what I'm doing.
Is it actually realistic to be able to do, for example, deadlift, bench, squats and chinups all on the same day, 3x a week and be able to regularly increase weights? I've been working out for ~2years where I've been benching regularly (squats and deadlift were added to my workout after the summer this year) so can I really expect a sort of "novice effect" that's seen in SS doing this?


Time Working out doesn't mean anything. It's allabout how strong you are if linear progression will work. I know people who have worked out for 10 years and havent gotten stronger who it would work for.

If lifts squat/DL aren't above 1.5-1.75x bodyweight you can do linear progression. bench about 1.25-1.5x

On December 12 2010 07:37 BcGladiator wrote:
Hey Travis, just did some brief research (aka googling) and came to a page on temporomandibular joint disorder on wikipedia.

+ Show Spoiler +
Symptoms associated with TMJ disorders may be:
Biting or chewing difficulty or discomfort
Clicking, popping, or grating sound when opening or closing the mouth
Dull, aching pain in the face
Earache (particularly in the morning)
Headache (particularly in the morning)
Hearing loss
Migraine (particularly in the morning)
Jaw pain or tenderness of the jaw
Reduced ability to open or close the mouth
Tinnitus
Neck and shoulder pain


Now I'm not a doctor or an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but here is something that does explain the symptoms, and you can also check if you have any of the other symptoms associated with said disorder.


Yeah, I already stated it was probably TMJ above....

I also gave him some corrective exercises too IF it's that
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 06:07:58
December 12 2010 06:05 GMT
#4054
A rather long analysis on the horrors of grains (complete with 50+ studies)

http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=852

Also, if you eat oatmeal and are getting cavities might want to get rid of it:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/12/dr-mellanbys-tooth-decay-reversal-diet.html
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
December 12 2010 09:02 GMT
#4055
If lifts squat/DL aren't above 1.5-1.75x bodyweight you can do linear progression. bench about 1.25-1.5x


I think that novice status is more about experience on linear progression programs.

There are going to be genetic freaks who start out with a 300 pound x5 squat, and then move up to a 500 pound squat over the course of a few months. They were already strong--as strong as people typically get after about 5 months of SS--but they were still novices due to the fact that they had not ever been on a linear progression program before.
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
December 12 2010 11:13 GMT
#4056
When you say lift x1.25 is that 1RM or 5RM you count?
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
December 12 2010 11:21 GMT
#4057
^ with these ratios i believe it's at least 1RM.
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 12 2010 13:19 GMT
#4058
On December 12 2010 18:02 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
If lifts squat/DL aren't above 1.5-1.75x bodyweight you can do linear progression. bench about 1.25-1.5x


I think that novice status is more about experience on linear progression programs.

There are going to be genetic freaks who start out with a 300 pound x5 squat, and then move up to a 500 pound squat over the course of a few months. They were already strong--as strong as people typically get after about 5 months of SS--but they were still novices due to the fact that they had not ever been on a linear progression program before.


Nope, that's not true. Genetic freaks can still be on linear progression, they will just progress at a rate that's faster and higher than the generalized numbers. You'd see some of them getting to 2-2.5x maybe even 3x bodyweight before they stall out on linear progression. It's pretty insane.

Some people will be higher or lower than the numbers post above. But they are generalized if you're eating a crapton and doing the program.

The reason there are weightlifting standards chart is precisely because "training age" does not depend on how long you've been training. It only depends on how much weight you can lift.

This also goes for hypertrophy. It's strongly correlated to how much you can lift.

On December 12 2010 20:13 Sinep wrote:
When you say lift x1.25 is that 1RM or 5RM you count?

On December 12 2010 20:21 unknown.sam wrote:
^ with these ratios i believe it's at least 1RM.


5 RM.

You guys underestimate how far you can actually get with linear progression correctly resetting and eating a lot.

But also maybe it's true that most of us who are posting on gaming forums have genetics that aren't great for sports and weight lifting related activities... so maybe 1 RM for us.

It all comes down to the individual though so what you get is gonna be different from what someone else gets.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 12 2010 13:24 GMT
#4059
[image loading]

I'll be at this show later tonight. Line-up of the gods.

Oh my god I'm excited, time to throw around some little scene kiddies.

FUNCTIONAL STRENGTH
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
December 12 2010 19:44 GMT
#4060
holy shit the American open was awesome!! A lot of great lifters, i wished i watched more of it.
I totaled 189 with 8th place overall. I was 4th in the snatch with 86 but dropped severely because of clean and jerk was bad.

I will talk more about it later when i have time. If you can get videos of the 69kg mens and 85/94 A session. The endings are a must watch. I heard the 53 and 58 womens was pretty good too. I wish i watched those.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
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