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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
November 27 2010 04:04 GMT
#3701
High quality weightlifting shoes here: http://www.maxbarbell.com/
They're very cheap too, when I bought mine they were only $40 but it looks like they've gone up a bit to around 50-60 depending on what kind.
I have the wei rui black and silver ones. They completely rule and feel just like the adidas ironworks, which they kind of look like. Listen to their sizing comment though, definitely go 1-2 sizes below your tennis shoes, these things are massive.

Your first pull looks pretty good and you're definitely getting better hip extension and arm-pulling it less, but you're also jumping too much and it's causing you to have to race down to get under it. The feet leaving the floor is only a byproduct of hip-extension at the top, you want to avoid consciously jumping like if you were doing a powerclean. I had the same problem switching from doing mostly power movements to the full lifts, it tends to just sort itself out as the weight gets heavier and you can't pull it as high and can't complete the lift unless you get under it faster. Doing clean pull/snatch pull with weight just above your clean/snatch weight and focusing on full hip extension and keeping arms straight helps with arm bend/getting too much air. It won't be very hard since you deadlift so much more than you can clean, but it will refine your technique and make your 2nd pull stronger as well.

Getting more balanced in the bottom of the snatch is probably just going to be a matter of getting wling shoes and building flexibility. Shoulder dislocates and foam rolling your thoracic spine will help with flexibility and getting a solid oh squat position down. OH squats and drop snatches are good supplementary exercises while you're transitioning from p.snatch to full snatch. It really won't take as long as you'd expect; you can practice really frequently since it's not going to cause much systematic stress or interfere with your other lifts.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 27 2010 05:39 GMT
#3702
On November 27 2010 12:58 Slithe wrote:
I was fighting a cold last week, so I took 10k IU per day. I don't know if it was the vitamin D, but I was able to hammer it out of my system in about 3 days. Pretty much skipped the runny nose phase too.


Would've gone faster if you went 20-30k.... haha.

Glad you guys are seeing the light on the vit D.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13476 Posts
November 27 2010 07:35 GMT
#3703
On November 26 2010 15:19 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2010 14:45 RowdierBob wrote:
On November 26 2010 09:25 Energies wrote:
On November 26 2010 06:39 Liquid`Meat wrote:
I placed 2 orders at iherb, 4$ shipping for orders under $80 and a certain weight. Received both orders in about a week. Site rocks


I told someone at work about it, he did his entire family's order. $350 worth of stuff. Which would equate to something like $1200 worth if he bought it here in Australia.
-----------

Question.

Am I going to develop any physical imbalances as I progress more and more through SS, IF my bench and op are always significantly lower?

I fucked up my left rotator cuff about 12-18 months ago and it has never been the same.

I mean it's kind of ridiculous, I was at about 80kg bench and around 55kg op when I injured my shoulder. And since then, even though I have increased my squat and deadlift by about 40% my Bench and op are about 70kg/40kg.... Pretty soon I'm going to be squatting 140kg and benching 75-80 >__<.


Bleh, I pretty much have the same problem. My left shoulder in particular is just shot to pieces. It's functional and all, but I always hit ceilings in my bench and shoulder press I never seem to be able to get past. Every time I think I'm getting there I'll pop a shoulder again and it's back to square one!

I'm sure a lot of it may be in my head, but my shoulder never feels stable once I pack on some decent weight.


Likely need some horizontal pulling, and specific external rotator cuff work


Are you able to elaborate a bit on this?

Cheers!
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
November 27 2010 07:39 GMT
#3704
On November 27 2010 14:39 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 12:58 Slithe wrote:
I was fighting a cold last week, so I took 10k IU per day. I don't know if it was the vitamin D, but I was able to hammer it out of my system in about 3 days. Pretty much skipped the runny nose phase too.


Would've gone faster if you went 20-30k.... haha.

Glad you guys are seeing the light on the vit D.


Our supplements are going to be exactly the same if you keep this up.

I'm already using the same vitamin D and fish oil as you.

...Are our supplements already the exact same?
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 27 2010 08:16 GMT
#3705
I'm drinking a can of Coke right now.


I can feel the poison seeping into me.
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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
November 27 2010 10:11 GMT
#3706
On November 27 2010 12:45 Energies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2010 13:58 decafchicken wrote:
also didn't realize you were squatting almost 300 pounds energies, niiiice


Quiet achiever.

A friend was doing deadlifts today and asked me to check his form, had a 140kg(308) with straps and managed 3 reps, I gave him some pointers and quickly jumped in to show him, no straps no chalk 10 reps, put the weight down, "alright, now you try".

[image loading]

It is still going to be a couple of years before I get anywhere near you and shallow's numbers though ;(.


Also, thank fuck for iherb and 5000iu caps, I've been taking 20k a day to battle a cold, if I had to take 20 x 1000iu which are the only ones you can buy in Australia, I would have emptied the bottle by now.


Woah, good job!

They only have 1.2k caps here in Iceland...love popping infinite amounts of pills!
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Tal
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United Kingdom1018 Posts
November 27 2010 11:49 GMT
#3707
Hey. I originally posted this in blogs, but someone suggested it would make more sense to ask about exercise advice in the official health and fitness thread. Indeed.

Exercise advice: 5BX

Introduction (Why I want to do the 5BX programme).

Like many people, I have trouble doing enough exercise in my life. I'm not overweight, or concerned about my looks, but I do want to be physically fit. In every field there are clear benefits to being in good shape, and I feel like any disciplined adult should be able to achieve that.

I've tried a lot of things to stay fit: going to the gym, multiple martial arts, weight training, and daily jogging. All have helped - for a while. Then I stop. I get sick, or I have some killer deadline, or I'm trying to achieve my goals in another area, and I just can't find the motivation to keep exercising. I simply don't enjoy it enough, and all the time I've spent working hard is wasted, as my fitness fades.

Some people argue that the only significant changes you can make in your life are the changes you can commit to doing every day. People who eat terribly then diet and then eat terribly never break the cycle. It's those who commit to eating a little better every day who actually get somewhere.

For me at least, I think this is true. So I've decided to step back from the grander prospects of super fitness which I can't stick to, and try and make 5BX part of my life, for the rest of my life. If it's good enough for the Canadian RAF, it's good enough for me.

5BX (what is it?)

5BX is an exercise programme developed by the Canadian RAF, in which you exercise for 11 minutes a day, gradually increasing the difficulty, until you are doing a huge amount in that time. When you've reached the recommended amount for your age, you can drop to 3 days a week, and simply maintain it. However hard you are working, you still only do 11 minutes a day, and that's apparently enough for an adult to stay physically fit.

Links

Wikipedia Link

Complete 5BX programme

Chart 3 (which I'm just about to start)

But it's a little outdated


As reading the wikipedia page shows, and random google searches suggest, the programme is a bit outdated. It's no longer used because of health risks in unsupervised exercise, and there are questions to be asked about the safety of some of the exercises.

I know there are a lot of TL fitness gurus, so if you could take a quick look at the stage I've got up to, and recommend anything I should not do/do differently, it would be incredibly helpful. In particular, tell me what exercises to change, or if you feel the programme as a whole is still viable.

I've tried looking online, but have either found conflicting advice, or modern alternatives which require sending off for flashcards and look like a scam.

I'm at stage 3 (link)

Thanks very much, and I hope this is interesting for anyone else trying to fit exercise into a busy life.
It is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you will be when you can't help it.
rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
November 27 2010 12:20 GMT
#3708
On November 27 2010 13:04 Drowsy wrote:
High quality weightlifting shoes here: http://www.maxbarbell.com/
They're very cheap too, when I bought mine they were only $40 but it looks like they've gone up a bit to around 50-60 depending on what kind.
I have the wei rui black and silver ones. They completely rule and feel just like the adidas ironworks, which they kind of look like. Listen to their sizing comment though, definitely go 1-2 sizes below your tennis shoes, these things are massive.

Hmm, could really use some shoes. I've been weightlifting with socks for 4 months now, and it's not that bad, but I'd really prefer not getting my socks dirty every time I go to gym. :D Using running shoes is out of question since they're squishy. Ordering shoes online is a bit iffy though, what if the size is off by one and I don't get a snug fit which is pretty important. In that case I'd be very sad!
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 17:11:17
November 27 2010 17:09 GMT
#3709
Tal:

Starting Strength is better than that.... but ifyou feel like doing that go for it.

Calisthenics ain't gonna make you that much stronger, and strength is one the aspect of fitness that is broad based that translates to anything else you want to do in the future.

If you're that short on time then there's better applications of high intensity interval training such as actually learning how to sprint, or things like crossfit.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 17:26:18
November 27 2010 17:17 GMT
#3710
On November 27 2010 21:20 rEiGN~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 13:04 Drowsy wrote:
High quality weightlifting shoes here: http://www.maxbarbell.com/
They're very cheap too, when I bought mine they were only $40 but it looks like they've gone up a bit to around 50-60 depending on what kind.
I have the wei rui black and silver ones. They completely rule and feel just like the adidas ironworks, which they kind of look like. Listen to their sizing comment though, definitely go 1-2 sizes below your tennis shoes, these things are massive.

Hmm, could really use some shoes. I've been weightlifting with socks for 4 months now, and it's not that bad, but I'd really prefer not getting my socks dirty every time I go to gym. :D Using running shoes is out of question since they're squishy. Ordering shoes online is a bit iffy though, what if the size is off by one and I don't get a snug fit which is pretty important. In that case I'd be very sad!


I think u can measure your foot and just contact them about which size fits best. Some shoes are have a tighter fit than others, so you cant go by shoe size.

btw I know some ppl that will get the new nike models to test out! The romanelo was a very different shoe than the rest. The heel is elevated at the middle of the foot(not sure whats it called) to the heel. Plus it was a lot heavier, but it felt so solid when lifting. I think my next shoes will be those new nikes or maybe addias. Something with a bit of higher quality than the do-wins i have now.

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kledzerlol
Profile Joined November 2010
Iceland5 Posts
November 27 2010 17:45 GMT
#3711


Age: 20 II Height: 191cm, 6feet3inches II 82kg/180 pounds
starting date 27 november II goal date 27 december
Weight goal -- 80kg, 176 pounds
Currently 9,5% fat, Goal: 7,5% fat
Currently I benchpress about 100kg/220pounds, goal: 110kg/242 pounds

Just overall eating healthy and running/lifting 3-4 times a week.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 27 2010 17:45 GMT
#3712
Being home is, a at the same time great for me, and killing me. Its been a week now since I've lifted, which I needed considering my pulled back muscle, but even though I had to do it, I'm still itching to lift again. In going to have quite a time working out something to do over winter break when its more than just a bus ride to the gym. I am, however getting plenty of compliments from people who haven't seen me in a while, and didn't know I was lifting, about all the progress I'm making. Awesome.
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 18:01:44
November 27 2010 18:00 GMT
#3713
Age: 19
Height: 5'11'' or 180 cm
Weight: 150 lb or 69 kg
Starting Date: 28th November 2010
Starting Condition: Average body, average muscles

Final Goals:

[image loading]

Well, not exactly. But as close as it can get. Also better abs than this. And this is the goal of me for the age of 25.

Let's set closer goals:

Weight goals: 160 lbs
Fat % goals: Hmm, lower maybe?!
Overall goals: Stronger body, yellow belt at capoeira (grupo muzenza system, i am currently gray-yellow and yellow is the next, i will change in this march if i can), better technique and acrobatics in capoeira.
Misc goals: Get my classes straight and find a girlfriend.
Due date: 28.07.2011
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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
November 27 2010 18:12 GMT
#3714
On November 28 2010 02:45 kledzerlol wrote:


Age: 20 II Height: 191cm, 6feet3inches II 82kg/180 pounds
starting date 27 november II goal date 27 december
Weight goal -- 80kg, 176 pounds
Currently 9,5% fat, Goal: 7,5% fat
Currently I benchpress about 100kg/220pounds, goal: 110kg/242 pounds

Just overall eating healthy and running/lifting 3-4 times a week.


Sup bro?
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 27 2010 18:38 GMT
#3715
On November 28 2010 02:45 phyre112 wrote:
Being home is, a at the same time great for me, and killing me. Its been a week now since I've lifted, which I needed considering my pulled back muscle, but even though I had to do it, I'm still itching to lift again. In going to have quite a time working out something to do over winter break when its more than just a bus ride to the gym. I am, however getting plenty of compliments from people who haven't seen me in a while, and didn't know I was lifting, about all the progress I'm making. Awesome.


This may help

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/01/on-muscle-strains/
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
doerit
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany234 Posts
November 27 2010 19:05 GMT
#3716
Be careful with Vitamin D guys.

A higher dosage might be a good thing and nowadays a lot of positive effects have been shown, but Vit D has the highest toxic potential of all vitamins.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 27 2010 19:34 GMT
#3717
On November 28 2010 04:05 doerit wrote:
Be careful with Vitamin D guys.

A higher dosage might be a good thing and nowadays a lot of positive effects have been shown, but Vit D has the highest toxic potential of all vitamins.


True. There's studies in pubmed that show that it takes 50k IU for 3 months to reach toxicity levels.

But other than that I don't see anyone doing that.... only reason why you would go high dose is for sickness and no one is hopefully going to be sick for longer than about 3-4 days at high dose anyway. That's not taking in account deficiency either.
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doerit
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany234 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 20:00:24
November 27 2010 19:54 GMT
#3718
But Vitamin D levels are usually not very depleted when a cold or flu occurs, because it is stored in the fatty tissues of the body, therefore it takes a long time to deplete or build up.

If you have a cold that lasts just a couple of days there is no way to deplete the Vitamin D storage of the body significantly. The interesting health effects are cancer prevention.

If you buy a vit D sup make sure to buy Calcifediol, because it is much more potent than the D2 or D3 in the cheap supplements.

edit: actually removed Calcitriol, b/c it is more potent than D2/D3, but it is basically for medical use only, because it is the active form of Vit D (very expensive :D)
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
November 27 2010 20:19 GMT
#3719
well fuck
i think i'll have to postpone today's workout to tomorrow. since i do tu/th/sa, i guess it doesn't really matter, i'll hop right back on tu/th/sa anyway.
alcohol is bad =(
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 20:47:57
November 27 2010 20:44 GMT
#3720
On November 28 2010 04:54 doerit wrote:
But Vitamin D levels are usually not very depleted when a cold or flu occurs, because it is stored in the fatty tissues of the body, therefore it takes a long time to deplete or build up.

If you have a cold that lasts just a couple of days there is no way to deplete the Vitamin D storage of the body significantly. The interesting health effects are cancer prevention.

If you buy a vit D sup make sure to buy Calcifediol, because it is much more potent than the D2 or D3 in the cheap supplements.

edit: actually removed Calcitriol, b/c it is more potent than D2/D3, but it is basically for medical use only, because it is the active form of Vit D (very expensive :D)


Your analysis is a bit off.

They are depleted why colds or flus occur because they usually occur in the winter.... fall and the beginning of winter with less sun = less vitamin D. It depletes levels, it's when the levels are depleted flu/cold season occurs hence the 2-5 month delay of flu season after summer months

Consider that most people are in doors a lot now... and super sun screen proactive. That's why about 85-90% of the general population is vitamin D deficient *all year round*.

So I'm not exactly seeing how people's levels aren't depleted... especially in light of the above two facts. That's why supplementing is important in the winter if you can't get much UVB radiation on your skin

Anyway, D3 is more potentent than D2... and Calcidiol, and calcitriol are more potent than D3. But no supplement company sells the latter two (only can get them medically as you said), so the best you can get is D3.

Also, there's wayyyy more beneficial effects than for upper respiratory tract infections and cancer:

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/10/a-closer-look-at-vitamin-d/
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