EPTAs an example our TA mid did this, fed 3 kills in 8 minutes to a pudge that got all the runes (we had it warded), and didn't call missing until we were almost dead. We did get outdrafted but he shut up pretty fast after we explained it was actually his play that lost us the game.
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blobrus
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As an example our TA mid did this, fed 3 kills in 8 minutes to a pudge that got all the runes (we had it warded), and didn't call missing until we were almost dead. We did get outdrafted but he shut up pretty fast after we explained it was actually his play that lost us the game. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
I'm the Slardar. Wanted to repick, but we needed a tank. So yeah cool I'll just go safelane with KoTL and try to last hit the best I could against Pudge and Kunkka (which isn't easy). Anyway, Skywrath was in mid so Morph had to lane with Silencer. I thought Morph was going mid of ez farm but that wasn't the case. So anyway game got a bit difficult, couldn't get the armlet under 20 minutes which were my first two mistakes - not getting my first big item fast enough, and not getting the right big item (against a line up like that, I should have gone for bkb). Third mistake was me not tagging brood mother often enough with amplify damage, and when kunkka got his lothars, it was just too much. Well we had zero coordination and KoTL didn't ward enough. No point in blaming, we tried, got some kills towards the end, close, but no cigar. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8268 Posts
On January 26 2014 02:12 blobrus wrote: I will never understand the mindset of people who actually say "oh wow we got outdrafted so hard, we're going to lose". That's why you play the fucking game. As an example our TA mid did this, fed 3 kills in 8 minutes to a pudge that got all the runes (we had it warded), and didn't call missing until we were almost dead. We did get outdrafted but he shut up pretty fast after we explained it was actually his play that lost us the game. To be fair I would switch lanes rather than going TA vs pudge mid. Its a lost matchup | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On January 26 2014 02:22 Excludos wrote: To be fair I would switch lanes rather than going TA vs pudge mid. Its a lost matchup TA vs pudge is by no means a lost match for TA. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
On January 26 2014 02:20 SilverSkyLark wrote: http://dotabuff.com/matches/483918819 I'm the Slardar. Wanted to repick, but we needed a tank. So yeah cool I'll just go safelane with KoTL and try to last hit the best I could against Pudge and Kunkka (which isn't easy). Anyway, Skywrath was in mid so Morph had to lane with Silencer. I thought Morph was going mid of ez farm but that wasn't the case. So anyway game got a bit difficult, couldn't get the armlet under 20 minutes which were my first two mistakes - not getting my first big item fast enough, and not getting the right big item (against a line up like that, I should have gone for bkb). Third mistake was me not tagging brood mother often enough with amplify damage, and when kunkka got his lothars, it was just too much. Well we had zero coordination and KoTL didn't ward enough. No point in blaming, we tried, got some kills towards the end, close, but no cigar. What is that even supposed to mean? and first item on slardar is a blink unless you are free farming. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8268 Posts
On January 26 2014 02:28 SKC wrote: TA vs pudge is by no means a lost match for TA. Provided equal skills, pudge has a huge advantage. | ||
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hooahah
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Thienan567
United States670 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On January 26 2014 02:53 Excludos wrote: Provided equal skills, pudge has a huge advantage. How does he do to win this match up? I would think TA would just harass him out of lane as the hook animation is longer than refraction one and psi blades are golden against melee heroes, besides she has better movespeed and pudge will suffer from meld armor reduction range. He has to hope she let him bunns her refraction charge with rot and then land a hook. | ||
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
On January 26 2014 03:06 hooahah wrote: not a QQ but I think it fits this topic anyhow: Dendi is currently feeding ferociously on his stream as Pudge. So the next time you wonder why the pudge on your team is missing all his hooks and isn't Dendi, maybe he's just having a bad day If I ever had a pudge roam and give up mid to a huskar, be level 2 at 6 mins and still manage to contribute anything at all to the game I'm pretty sure the world would end. lol | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On January 26 2014 03:26 Atreides wrote: If I ever had a pudge roam and give up mid to a huskar, be level 2 at 6 mins and still manage to contribute anything at all to the game I'm pretty sure the world would end. lol one of the funniest games I've ever seen was when N0tail went support-roaming-pudge, god I wish I could find that game, it was amazing. http://dotaflame.com/fnaticn0tail/356143780 here it is | ||
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Excludos
Norway8268 Posts
On January 26 2014 03:15 nojok wrote: How does he do to win this match up? I would think TA would just harass him out of lane as the hook animation is longer than refraction one and psi blades are golden against melee heroes, besides she has better movespeed and pudge will suffer from meld armor reduction range. He has to hope she let him bunns her refraction charge with rot and then land a hook. The problem is rot combined with TA's low hp and dependancy on refraction. The range of psi blades aren't long enough to harass pudge without him being able to hit you back. If you do skill psi blades instead of meld and refraction, your midgame will take a dive as your damage output will be delayed for too long. So he can just walk up to you any time you want to go for a lasthit, imideatly remove all your refraction, and start doing damage. Because he naturally has more hp and strength gain than you, you simply can not afford to trade with him. You will also have trouble going for any runes due to his hook. Even if it doesn't do any damage due to refraction (if not, you instantly lose half your hp), the slow from rot is enough to kill you before you can run back. If the Pudge can play, its not a winnable lane for TA. | ||
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
On January 26 2014 04:10 Excludos wrote: The problem is rot combined with TA's low hp and dependancy on refraction. The range of psi blades aren't long enough to harass pudge without him being able to hit you back. If you do skill psi blades instead of meld and refraction, your midgame will take a dive as your damage output will be delayed for too long. So he can just walk up to you any time you want to go for a lasthit, imideatly remove all your refraction, and start doing damage. Because he naturally has more hp and strength gain than you, you simply can not afford to trade with him. You will also have trouble going for any runes due to his hook. Even if it doesn't do any damage due to refraction (if not, you instantly lose half your hp), the slow from rot is enough to kill you before you can run back. If the Pudge can play, its not a winnable lane for TA. last time i said exactly this i got flamed for it. But especially if pudge gets fast boots (before bottle or sometimes first with pooled regen) he can just walk up to ta and ta has to run, she can't really leave highground or she has a high risk of dieing. And if you position yourself properly as pudge she will never hit you or you just walk past the creeps and she loses even more cs. Pudge doesn't really care so much about losing cs if ta doesn't get much. I wouldn't pick pudge to counter ta but i sure as hell would not pick ta against a pudge. | ||
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Rhyme
United States1069 Posts
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Rybka
United States836 Posts
On January 26 2014 04:33 Rhyme wrote: you guyss know that a good ta will just pull creep aggro infinitely and last hit with no problem right But the point isn't that TA can't last hit. The point is that Pudge can afford to make mistakes, but if TA makes a single mistake she's probably dead. | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On January 26 2014 04:36 Rybka wrote: But the point isn't that TA can't last hit. The point is that Pudge can afford to make mistakes, but if TA makes a single mistake she's probably dead. so basically it's the same thing as Pudge vs any other hero | ||
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Excludos
Norway8268 Posts
On January 26 2014 05:16 hooahah wrote: so basically it's the same thing as Pudge vs any other hero True, but most heroes usually doesn't go mid vs pudge. The typical mid heroes like Invoker, OD, qop, puck, mirana doens't have any trouble vs him. Even some of the typical melee mid heroes such as clock and DK doesn't have any trouble vs him. TA is a stereotypical midhero who simply will be outclassed unless completely outplaying the pudge, due to her low health and refraction not really doing anything vs rot. | ||
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