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is the TL inhouse chan still on captains mode?
i stoped playing this because of that. you have a "pro" captain,
that picks the same heros over and over again. after 5 games, it
gets so damn boring to play the same shit all the time.
make it -RD or -SD and many people will join you again, as skill does not come from playing the heros that you see on pro-streams/games. most people do not seem to realize that.
it is a inhouse game, YES. but this still is a public game and not a clanwar with fixed teams.
if you want to go for super high skilled games, try to join NAVI, EG or any other proteam, but do not try to set up super high skilled games in a public inhouse game.
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On September 10 2012 19:31 ScarPe wrote:
is the TL inhouse chan still on captains mode?
i stoped playing this because of that. you have a "pro" captain,
that picks the same heros over and over again. after 5 games, it
gets so damn boring to play the same shit all the time.
make it -RD or -SD and many people will join you again, as skill does not come from playing the heros that you see on pro-streams/games. most people do not seem to realize that.
it is a inhouse game, YES. but this still is a public game and not a clanwar with fixed teams.
if you want to go for super high skilled games, try to join NAVI, EG or any other proteam, but do not try to set up super high skilled games in a public inhouse game.
When I played with DV God, he asked whether people wanted to play CM, so I think it's up to the people you play with.
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
Yo I got a 11 minute battlefury and a 19 minute manta in an IH last night, I'm pro.
(whoever those supports were you were amazing in the lane, probably could've stacked the jungle more to make that manta faster though!)
Edit: this was for previous page. Regarding this page, we still occasionally play rd and sd. Feel free to host the game yourself and advertise it as whatever mode you're playing.
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On September 10 2012 19:35 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 19:31 ScarPe wrote:
is the TL inhouse chan still on captains mode?
i stoped playing this because of that. you have a "pro" captain,
that picks the same heros over and over again. after 5 games, it
gets so damn boring to play the same shit all the time.
make it -RD or -SD and many people will join you again, as skill does not come from playing the heros that you see on pro-streams/games. most people do not seem to realize that.
it is a inhouse game, YES. but this still is a public game and not a clanwar with fixed teams.
if you want to go for super high skilled games, try to join NAVI, EG or any other proteam, but do not try to set up super high skilled games in a public inhouse game. When I played with DV God, he asked whether people wanted to play CM, so I think it's up to the people you play with.
that might be, but still there were many people who started playing public games, instead.
and they did so, because public games were more fun than the TL-Inhouses back then.
there were just a hand full of active people that did not realize that.
Please. Just. Remove. Captainsmode.
(i have played dotapickup-inhouses for YEARS, and it was so much fun with -SD)
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
On September 10 2012 19:59 ScarPe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 19:35 Tobberoth wrote:On September 10 2012 19:31 ScarPe wrote:
is the TL inhouse chan still on captains mode?
i stoped playing this because of that. you have a "pro" captain,
that picks the same heros over and over again. after 5 games, it
gets so damn boring to play the same shit all the time.
make it -RD or -SD and many people will join you again, as skill does not come from playing the heros that you see on pro-streams/games. most people do not seem to realize that.
it is a inhouse game, YES. but this still is a public game and not a clanwar with fixed teams.
if you want to go for super high skilled games, try to join NAVI, EG or any other proteam, but do not try to set up super high skilled games in a public inhouse game. When I played with DV God, he asked whether people wanted to play CM, so I think it's up to the people you play with. that might be, but still there were many people who started playing public games, instead. and they did so, because public games were more fun than the TL-Inhouses back then. there were just a hand full of active people that did not realize that. Please. Just. Remove. Captainsmode. (i have played dotapickup-inhouses for YEARS, and it was so much fun with -SD)
We won't stop playing cm simply because you request us to. People are allowed to practice drafting and so on if they wish to. Who are you to stop them?
That said, I'm sure many people are happy to play other modes. I've played in at least one AR, SD and RD so far. Just go in chat and say 'hosting RD game, join up' and people will come.
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You say to join pro teams like EG or Navi, but that's not easy for everybody. Some people want to try to play in a competitive setting but at the same time don't have teams or anything to join. Playing CM allows people to experience these things. I had fun playing in a CM mode even though I was on 300-350ms as a tide, it just feels nice to be part of a draft and part of a constructed hero lineup and executing whatever strategy or idea that the team has come up with. Similarly, you can learn from other players' thoughts on how the draft is unfolding and learn about some of the inner workings of a competitive dota game.
However having said that, SD and RD modes are definitely fun as well, as long as people want to play those modes then I'm sure there will be SD and RD games. It's just that I have an issue with what you said about removing CM. Personally, I joined the TLIH because I wanted to play some CM games after I left my team awhile back. But I wouldn't mind if others preferred to play AP AR RD SD etc.
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cm might be a bit boring with many times same heroes but at least there is a bit of synergy not like in sd/ap/ar when a team get 3 OP heroes.. so the best way is just to decide which mode to play with people in the lobby 
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On September 10 2012 18:07 Canas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:07 writer22816 wrote:On September 10 2012 00:13 Canas wrote:On September 10 2012 00:03 cArn- wrote:On September 09 2012 23:58 _HypeR_ wrote:
canas just left/ragequit the game, game was almost over but he could have buyback and help us for last teamfight... this is not a public game thanks to stay until the end or everyone gg. how was that over we almost defended rax without him and wiping them out... this guy is annoying as fuck, combination of barely average AND arrogant is the worst. Dunno how people bother playing games with this guy This is coming from the guy who got his bfury at like 16-17 mins on a free farming AM and then completed his manta at like 30. I haven't played in any of the games but reading in this thread, I feel that you have crossed a boundary. I agree that one should expect teammates to carry TPs, to push when supposed to, to listen if they don't know what they're doing. However you seemed to have crossed a boundary on elitism. Since when is a 16-17 min bfury and 30 min manta on AM "pitiful farm"? To expect a full inventory AM at 35 min? I don't think I have ever seen that even in pro games. Seriously if you are this good then go play your very high level matchmaking or join a scrim or just win the game for your team. On September 08 2012 01:45 Canas wrote:On September 08 2012 01:24 FliedLice wrote:
Well the point he's trying to make is, is that there's a difference between constructive criticism and basically saying "fuck you".
I can just speak from peronal experience... When people are like "look, you fucked up there, try to do this and that next time" I'm totally cool with it, even thankful most of the time. But somebody yelling at me without actually bringing up anything useful doesn't help anyone. That's the thing though, it was constructive criticism most of the time. I tend to swear a decent amount, so I guess that's hardly going to be very helpful, but often times it'd be like "jesus christ rubick, if I say to push bot, don't fucking tp top to defend in a lane where we have megacreeps" or something like that On September 08 2012 00:54 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 08 2012 00:52 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 23:41 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 20:53 MotherOfRunes wrote:
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you dont understand it at all, do you? afterwards...and a guy who isnt experienced in picking only gets confused by 4 people thjrowing hero names at them.....instead of explaing what the team needs and why...anyway...like firebolt said you take these games so serious that its kinda ridiculous...you are not fitting this teaching enviroment, so have fun playing your "very high " MMR... Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this. This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. so not true, after that am game i played with 3 of the 4 people you played with and so on....we both played with the same players.and after the silencer game i again played with at least 2 people you had played with!and surprise surprise they listened...... mb it was just your tone afterall why people wouldnt listen... Well no, I checked. One player from each team swapped and 4 new players joined. On September 08 2012 00:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 20:53 MotherOfRunes wrote:
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you dont understand it at all, do you? afterwards...and a guy who isnt experienced in picking only gets confused by 4 people thjrowing hero names at them.....instead of explaing what the team needs and why...anyway...like firebolt said you take these games so serious that its kinda ridiculous...you are not fitting this teaching enviroment, so have fun playing your "very high " MMR... Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this. This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. I'm going to be blunt. As far as I remember, you were always the aggressor. The first tower push against the solo puck had the leshrac not push with you resulting in the first mistake of the game. You immediately raged at him pretty hard instead of explaining his mistake carefully. The rest of the game just followed along this aggressive path until no one really cooperated with each other anymore. I asked him why he let me die when I said to push the tower, and as far as I can remember, shadow shaman also said to push. He went back to pull creeps and as a result, I died while we were pushing the tower. I asked him why he decided to go back and pull creeps even though we said to push, I don't really see how that's aggressive. I'll happily be the first one to admit that it got worse as the game progressed and stuff like this kept happening, because I was starting to get annoyed at it after a while, especially when the first thing leshrac told me after asking him why he didn't push with us was "shut the fuck up" There's a difference between 'hey leshrac, we were supposed to be pushing, you should be with us', and pinging a billion times and asking 'what the fuck leshrac what the fuck are you doing?' The rhasta calling him a fucking idiot didn't help either. What do you expect the leshrac to do, of course he'd feel defensive about the whole situation. And after that it went downhill. I think the exact quote was "what the fuck leshrac? I told you to push and you go pull? are you serious?" Like, if I fucked up (which I did many times during that game, I'd even be quick to admit it a lot of the time, ie when we lost the teamfight at bot I immediately knew it was my fault because I got hit by EMP and couldn't stun or reality rift at all that fight), I kind of expect people to tell me to shape the fuck up to make sure I know I actually did something badly so it doesn't happen again. And like I said, I tend to swear a lot. In case you haven't realized, the reason people are being defensive and probably not listening to you is because you aren't particularly manner, even if you are trying to give advice. I agree that as an experienced player you have the right to expect new players to listen to you. However new players also deserve the right to have constructive criticism and not get flamed with "what the fuck leshrac" and "jesus christ rubick". They could be legitimately trying their best and when you start getting aggressive then of course it's going to piss them off. And lastly MotherOfRunes, what is your problem? Do you have a personal vendetta against Canas? I've read through this thread and you take literally every opportunity there is to bash him or put in a snide comment. It's really kind of pathetic behavior and quite condescending in its own way. When the guy is all like "yeah give me AM and I'll win ez", "give me AM and I'll show you how AM is supposed to be played", etc., during the picking phase, I kind of expect a decent performace, since I hadn't originally intended to draft AM. Not having a battlefury before 16:20 (I checked the replay to make absolutely sure), when your lane is practically completely empty, I would say is pretty bad, but it's not unacceptable by any means. What is unacceptable is that it takes a bfury AM (fastest farmer in the game, period) 14 minutes to farm a manta style, that isn't just bad farm, that is truly fucking awful farm. On top of that, this AM calls me "barely average" when he's far worse himself, so I decided to state my opinion, like he stated his. And again, I never start off sounding irritated, it's when I've told people to do something 3-4 times and they still don't listen, that I start getting irritated as they're clearly not listening. Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:42 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 writer22816 wrote:On September 10 2012 00:13 Canas wrote:On September 10 2012 00:03 cArn- wrote:On September 09 2012 23:58 _HypeR_ wrote:
canas just left/ragequit the game, game was almost over but he could have buyback and help us for last teamfight... this is not a public game thanks to stay until the end or everyone gg. how was that over we almost defended rax without him and wiping them out... this guy is annoying as fuck, combination of barely average AND arrogant is the worst. Dunno how people bother playing games with this guy This is coming from the guy who got his bfury at like 16-17 mins on a free farming AM and then completed his manta at like 30. I haven't played in any of the games but reading in this thread, I feel that you have crossed a boundary. I agree that one should expect teammates to carry TPs, to push when supposed to, to listen if they don't know what they're doing. However you seemed to have crossed a boundary on elitism. Since when is a 16-17 min bfury and 30 min manta on AM "pitiful farm"? To expect a full inventory AM at 35 min? I don't think I have ever seen that even in pro games. Seriously if you are this good then go play your very high level matchmaking or join a scrim or just win the game for your team. On September 08 2012 01:45 Canas wrote:On September 08 2012 01:24 FliedLice wrote:
Well the point he's trying to make is, is that there's a difference between constructive criticism and basically saying "fuck you".
I can just speak from peronal experience... When people are like "look, you fucked up there, try to do this and that next time" I'm totally cool with it, even thankful most of the time. But somebody yelling at me without actually bringing up anything useful doesn't help anyone. That's the thing though, it was constructive criticism most of the time. I tend to swear a decent amount, so I guess that's hardly going to be very helpful, but often times it'd be like "jesus christ rubick, if I say to push bot, don't fucking tp top to defend in a lane where we have megacreeps" or something like that On September 08 2012 00:54 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 08 2012 00:52 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 23:41 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:
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Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this.
This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. so not true, after that am game i played with 3 of the 4 people you played with and so on....we both played with the same players.and after the silencer game i again played with at least 2 people you had played with!and surprise surprise they listened...... mb it was just your tone afterall why people wouldnt listen... Well no, I checked. One player from each team swapped and 4 new players joined. On September 08 2012 00:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:
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Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this.
This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. I'm going to be blunt. As far as I remember, you were always the aggressor. The first tower push against the solo puck had the leshrac not push with you resulting in the first mistake of the game. You immediately raged at him pretty hard instead of explaining his mistake carefully. The rest of the game just followed along this aggressive path until no one really cooperated with each other anymore. I asked him why he let me die when I said to push the tower, and as far as I can remember, shadow shaman also said to push. He went back to pull creeps and as a result, I died while we were pushing the tower. I asked him why he decided to go back and pull creeps even though we said to push, I don't really see how that's aggressive. I'll happily be the first one to admit that it got worse as the game progressed and stuff like this kept happening, because I was starting to get annoyed at it after a while, especially when the first thing leshrac told me after asking him why he didn't push with us was "shut the fuck up" There's a difference between 'hey leshrac, we were supposed to be pushing, you should be with us', and pinging a billion times and asking 'what the fuck leshrac what the fuck are you doing?' The rhasta calling him a fucking idiot didn't help either. What do you expect the leshrac to do, of course he'd feel defensive about the whole situation. And after that it went downhill. I think the exact quote was "what the fuck leshrac? I told you to push and you go pull? are you serious?" Like, if I fucked up (which I did many times during that game, I'd even be quick to admit it a lot of the time, ie when we lost the teamfight at bot I immediately knew it was my fault because I got hit by EMP and couldn't stun or reality rift at all that fight), I kind of expect people to tell me to shape the fuck up to make sure I know I actually did something badly so it doesn't happen again. And like I said, I tend to swear a lot. In case you haven't realized, the reason people are being defensive and probably not listening to you is because you aren't particularly manner, even if you are trying to give advice. I agree that as an experienced player you have the right to expect new players to listen to you. However new players also deserve the right to have constructive criticism and not get flamed with "what the fuck leshrac" and "jesus christ rubick". They could be legitimately trying their best and when you start getting aggressive then of course it's going to piss them off. And lastly MotherOfRunes, what is your problem? Do you have a personal vendetta against Canas? I've read through this thread and you take literally every opportunity there is to bash him or put in a snide comment. It's really kind of pathetic behavior and quite condescending in its own way. yes its my private vendetta vs douche bags who ruin the inhouse experience for others by acting like douchy elitists. and canas isnt even good, which makes me even more mad. people like him should just go away and play elsewhere You're not any less douchy with all these passive aggressive comments towards me + you're worse than me at this game.
ahahahah you are a god damned little kid. you feel so hurt when people call u not good or barely average. you instantly call those people worse than you even if its not the case. like i said in my first post against you, stop thinking too highly of yourselves. and i dont care if you are better or me, as long as you finally get the fact that you are not good at all and you dont have any right here to behave like you behave....like a douche
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it would be great to revive the old TLIH, but tbh it needs to be sorted by skill level.
it's not fun to be with a team that is much newer and have no clue about things you consider basic, and it also sucks to be in(or against) a team with those super high skilled players that can stomp your noob team by them self
I think TLIH should be sorted like:
TLIH Low-Mid
TLIH Mid-High
TLIH High-very High
I hope valve implements a feature that helps with that.
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On September 10 2012 21:58 MotherOfRunes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 18:07 Canas wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 writer22816 wrote:On September 10 2012 00:13 Canas wrote:On September 10 2012 00:03 cArn- wrote:On September 09 2012 23:58 _HypeR_ wrote:
canas just left/ragequit the game, game was almost over but he could have buyback and help us for last teamfight... this is not a public game thanks to stay until the end or everyone gg. how was that over we almost defended rax without him and wiping them out... this guy is annoying as fuck, combination of barely average AND arrogant is the worst. Dunno how people bother playing games with this guy This is coming from the guy who got his bfury at like 16-17 mins on a free farming AM and then completed his manta at like 30. I haven't played in any of the games but reading in this thread, I feel that you have crossed a boundary. I agree that one should expect teammates to carry TPs, to push when supposed to, to listen if they don't know what they're doing. However you seemed to have crossed a boundary on elitism. Since when is a 16-17 min bfury and 30 min manta on AM "pitiful farm"? To expect a full inventory AM at 35 min? I don't think I have ever seen that even in pro games. Seriously if you are this good then go play your very high level matchmaking or join a scrim or just win the game for your team. On September 08 2012 01:45 Canas wrote:On September 08 2012 01:24 FliedLice wrote:
Well the point he's trying to make is, is that there's a difference between constructive criticism and basically saying "fuck you".
I can just speak from peronal experience... When people are like "look, you fucked up there, try to do this and that next time" I'm totally cool with it, even thankful most of the time. But somebody yelling at me without actually bringing up anything useful doesn't help anyone. That's the thing though, it was constructive criticism most of the time. I tend to swear a decent amount, so I guess that's hardly going to be very helpful, but often times it'd be like "jesus christ rubick, if I say to push bot, don't fucking tp top to defend in a lane where we have megacreeps" or something like that On September 08 2012 00:54 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 08 2012 00:52 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 23:41 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:
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Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this.
This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. so not true, after that am game i played with 3 of the 4 people you played with and so on....we both played with the same players.and after the silencer game i again played with at least 2 people you had played with!and surprise surprise they listened...... mb it was just your tone afterall why people wouldnt listen... Well no, I checked. One player from each team swapped and 4 new players joined. On September 08 2012 00:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:
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Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this.
This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. I'm going to be blunt. As far as I remember, you were always the aggressor. The first tower push against the solo puck had the leshrac not push with you resulting in the first mistake of the game. You immediately raged at him pretty hard instead of explaining his mistake carefully. The rest of the game just followed along this aggressive path until no one really cooperated with each other anymore. I asked him why he let me die when I said to push the tower, and as far as I can remember, shadow shaman also said to push. He went back to pull creeps and as a result, I died while we were pushing the tower. I asked him why he decided to go back and pull creeps even though we said to push, I don't really see how that's aggressive. I'll happily be the first one to admit that it got worse as the game progressed and stuff like this kept happening, because I was starting to get annoyed at it after a while, especially when the first thing leshrac told me after asking him why he didn't push with us was "shut the fuck up" There's a difference between 'hey leshrac, we were supposed to be pushing, you should be with us', and pinging a billion times and asking 'what the fuck leshrac what the fuck are you doing?' The rhasta calling him a fucking idiot didn't help either. What do you expect the leshrac to do, of course he'd feel defensive about the whole situation. And after that it went downhill. I think the exact quote was "what the fuck leshrac? I told you to push and you go pull? are you serious?" Like, if I fucked up (which I did many times during that game, I'd even be quick to admit it a lot of the time, ie when we lost the teamfight at bot I immediately knew it was my fault because I got hit by EMP and couldn't stun or reality rift at all that fight), I kind of expect people to tell me to shape the fuck up to make sure I know I actually did something badly so it doesn't happen again. And like I said, I tend to swear a lot. In case you haven't realized, the reason people are being defensive and probably not listening to you is because you aren't particularly manner, even if you are trying to give advice. I agree that as an experienced player you have the right to expect new players to listen to you. However new players also deserve the right to have constructive criticism and not get flamed with "what the fuck leshrac" and "jesus christ rubick". They could be legitimately trying their best and when you start getting aggressive then of course it's going to piss them off. And lastly MotherOfRunes, what is your problem? Do you have a personal vendetta against Canas? I've read through this thread and you take literally every opportunity there is to bash him or put in a snide comment. It's really kind of pathetic behavior and quite condescending in its own way. When the guy is all like "yeah give me AM and I'll win ez", "give me AM and I'll show you how AM is supposed to be played", etc., during the picking phase, I kind of expect a decent performace, since I hadn't originally intended to draft AM. Not having a battlefury before 16:20 (I checked the replay to make absolutely sure), when your lane is practically completely empty, I would say is pretty bad, but it's not unacceptable by any means. What is unacceptable is that it takes a bfury AM (fastest farmer in the game, period) 14 minutes to farm a manta style, that isn't just bad farm, that is truly fucking awful farm. On top of that, this AM calls me "barely average" when he's far worse himself, so I decided to state my opinion, like he stated his. And again, I never start off sounding irritated, it's when I've told people to do something 3-4 times and they still don't listen, that I start getting irritated as they're clearly not listening. On September 10 2012 10:42 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 writer22816 wrote:On September 10 2012 00:13 Canas wrote:On September 10 2012 00:03 cArn- wrote:On September 09 2012 23:58 _HypeR_ wrote:
canas just left/ragequit the game, game was almost over but he could have buyback and help us for last teamfight... this is not a public game thanks to stay until the end or everyone gg. how was that over we almost defended rax without him and wiping them out... this guy is annoying as fuck, combination of barely average AND arrogant is the worst. Dunno how people bother playing games with this guy This is coming from the guy who got his bfury at like 16-17 mins on a free farming AM and then completed his manta at like 30. I haven't played in any of the games but reading in this thread, I feel that you have crossed a boundary. I agree that one should expect teammates to carry TPs, to push when supposed to, to listen if they don't know what they're doing. However you seemed to have crossed a boundary on elitism. Since when is a 16-17 min bfury and 30 min manta on AM "pitiful farm"? To expect a full inventory AM at 35 min? I don't think I have ever seen that even in pro games. Seriously if you are this good then go play your very high level matchmaking or join a scrim or just win the game for your team. On September 08 2012 01:45 Canas wrote:On September 08 2012 01:24 FliedLice wrote:
Well the point he's trying to make is, is that there's a difference between constructive criticism and basically saying "fuck you".
I can just speak from peronal experience... When people are like "look, you fucked up there, try to do this and that next time" I'm totally cool with it, even thankful most of the time. But somebody yelling at me without actually bringing up anything useful doesn't help anyone. That's the thing though, it was constructive criticism most of the time. I tend to swear a decent amount, so I guess that's hardly going to be very helpful, but often times it'd be like "jesus christ rubick, if I say to push bot, don't fucking tp top to defend in a lane where we have megacreeps" or something like that On September 08 2012 00:54 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 08 2012 00:52 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 23:41 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:
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funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc
Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. so not true, after that am game i played with 3 of the 4 people you played with and so on....we both played with the same players.and after the silencer game i again played with at least 2 people you had played with!and surprise surprise they listened...... mb it was just your tone afterall why people wouldnt listen... Well no, I checked. One player from each team swapped and 4 new players joined. On September 08 2012 00:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:
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funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc
Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. I'm going to be blunt. As far as I remember, you were always the aggressor. The first tower push against the solo puck had the leshrac not push with you resulting in the first mistake of the game. You immediately raged at him pretty hard instead of explaining his mistake carefully. The rest of the game just followed along this aggressive path until no one really cooperated with each other anymore. I asked him why he let me die when I said to push the tower, and as far as I can remember, shadow shaman also said to push. He went back to pull creeps and as a result, I died while we were pushing the tower. I asked him why he decided to go back and pull creeps even though we said to push, I don't really see how that's aggressive. I'll happily be the first one to admit that it got worse as the game progressed and stuff like this kept happening, because I was starting to get annoyed at it after a while, especially when the first thing leshrac told me after asking him why he didn't push with us was "shut the fuck up" There's a difference between 'hey leshrac, we were supposed to be pushing, you should be with us', and pinging a billion times and asking 'what the fuck leshrac what the fuck are you doing?' The rhasta calling him a fucking idiot didn't help either. What do you expect the leshrac to do, of course he'd feel defensive about the whole situation. And after that it went downhill. I think the exact quote was "what the fuck leshrac? I told you to push and you go pull? are you serious?" Like, if I fucked up (which I did many times during that game, I'd even be quick to admit it a lot of the time, ie when we lost the teamfight at bot I immediately knew it was my fault because I got hit by EMP and couldn't stun or reality rift at all that fight), I kind of expect people to tell me to shape the fuck up to make sure I know I actually did something badly so it doesn't happen again. And like I said, I tend to swear a lot. In case you haven't realized, the reason people are being defensive and probably not listening to you is because you aren't particularly manner, even if you are trying to give advice. I agree that as an experienced player you have the right to expect new players to listen to you. However new players also deserve the right to have constructive criticism and not get flamed with "what the fuck leshrac" and "jesus christ rubick". They could be legitimately trying their best and when you start getting aggressive then of course it's going to piss them off. And lastly MotherOfRunes, what is your problem? Do you have a personal vendetta against Canas? I've read through this thread and you take literally every opportunity there is to bash him or put in a snide comment. It's really kind of pathetic behavior and quite condescending in its own way. yes its my private vendetta vs douche bags who ruin the inhouse experience for others by acting like douchy elitists. and canas isnt even good, which makes me even more mad. people like him should just go away and play elsewhere You're not any less douchy with all these passive aggressive comments towards me + you're worse than me at this game. ahahahah you are a god damned little kid. you feel so hurt when people call u not good or barely average. you instantly call those people worse than you even if its not the case. like i said in my first post against you, stop thinking too highly of yourselves. and i dont care if you are better or me, as long as you finally get the fact that you are not good at all and you dont have any right here to behave like you behave....like a douche
"Behave like I behave". Yeah man, tell me, what exactly it is that I've done? Someone says that I'm "barely average", clearly implying that I'm worse than them. I do the same back, "bad behaviour". I gg out of a game when the game is over, "bad behaviour". I try to teach someone that you stack before you pull, or that mek is better than bloodstone when you're in the 4th/5th position, or how to spend your skill points on a certain hero, "douchy tone, bad behaviour".
And I don't think too highly of myself at all, if you've ever played with me (for the record, you've played one game where you were on my team, and I carried the living shit out of you), you'll know that I'm very quick to admit mistakes, because it makes absolutely no sense at all to say it's not your own fault when it is, how would you improve if you don't admit that you make mistakes?
I give criticism where criticism is due, and I take criticism where criticism is due, it's very simple. Now how about you get off my back, you awful, awful player (rocking dat 50% win at 1100 games), because I'm done replying to you. Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference, and all that.
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On September 10 2012 22:16 The_MAesTRo wrote:
it would be great to revive the old TLIH, but tbh it needs to be sorted by skill level.
it's not fun to be with a team that is much newer and have no clue about things you consider basic, and it also sucks to be in(or against) a team with those super high skilled players that can stomp your noob team by them self
I think TLIH should be sorted like:
TLIH Low-Mid
TLIH Mid-High
TLIH High-very High
I hope valve implements a feature that helps with that.
Not enough player to do that, but that would be nice or at least know the level of players to balance more the team
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
Would you two mind taking it to PMs now, let's not drag the thread down any more.
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On September 10 2012 22:22 Canas wrote:
And I don't think too highly of myself at all, if you've ever played with me (for the record, you've played one game where you were on my team, and I carried the living shit out of you), you'll know that I'm very quick to admit mistakes, because it makes absolutely no sense at all to say it's not your own fault when it is, how would you improve if you don't admit that you make mistakes?
or the opposing team just threw the game in your face with solo diving past t3 towers etc but nvm you carried that shit
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On September 10 2012 22:28 Firebolt145 wrote:
Would you two mind taking it to PMs now, let's not drag the thread down any more.
yeah good idea, since he doesnt understand it anyway and starts lying....he doesnt even know what he has done all the time or at least he says so while a day before he admitted he likes to swear a lot
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On September 10 2012 22:22 Canas wrote:
"Behave like I behave". Yeah man, tell me, what exactly it is that I've done? Someone says that I'm "barely average", clearly implying that I'm worse than them. I do the same back, "bad behaviour". I gg out of a game when the game is over, "bad behaviour". I try to teach someone that you stack before you pull, or that mek is better than bloodstone when you're in the 4th/5th position, or how to spend your skill points on a certain hero, "douchy tone, bad behaviour".
And I don't think too highly of myself at all, if you've ever played with me (for the record, you've played one game where you were on my team, and I carried the living shit out of you), you'll know that I'm very quick to admit mistakes, because it makes absolutely no sense at all to say it's not your own fault when it is, how would you improve if you don't admit that you make mistakes?
I give criticism where criticism is due, and I take criticism where criticism is due, it's very simple. Now how about you get off my back, you awful, awful player (rocking dat 50% win at 1100 games), because I'm done replying to you. Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference, and all that.
Please stop making your self out like you actually do anyhing of those in-game. All you do is say "Yep, this is over", when actually the game is NOT over.
You say you teach someone? Please, you do not teach nothing in-game, you are exactly the "omg leshrac" type a person.
Invoker bad sidelane solo???? Sand king is better. (logic behind this during drafting, you just were shut up and did not explain)
Bounty Hunter cant be carry - ???
And yeah, I have found person who I dont want to be in team with.
Second - you draft like you would play solo every heroes, you dont ask noone opinions.
Your rage quit as invoker was so bad that it was bad, we did better when we controlled your supper played invoker and continued fighting.
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On September 10 2012 22:55 Humunuk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 22:22 Canas wrote:
"Behave like I behave". Yeah man, tell me, what exactly it is that I've done? Someone says that I'm "barely average", clearly implying that I'm worse than them. I do the same back, "bad behaviour". I gg out of a game when the game is over, "bad behaviour". I try to teach someone that you stack before you pull, or that mek is better than bloodstone when you're in the 4th/5th position, or how to spend your skill points on a certain hero, "douchy tone, bad behaviour".
And I don't think too highly of myself at all, if you've ever played with me (for the record, you've played one game where you were on my team, and I carried the living shit out of you), you'll know that I'm very quick to admit mistakes, because it makes absolutely no sense at all to say it's not your own fault when it is, how would you improve if you don't admit that you make mistakes?
I give criticism where criticism is due, and I take criticism where criticism is due, it's very simple. Now how about you get off my back, you awful, awful player (rocking dat 50% win at 1100 games), because I'm done replying to you. Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference, and all that. Please stop making your self out like you actually do anyhing of those in-game. All you do is say "Yep, this is over", when actually the game is NOT over. You say you teach someone? Please, you do not teach nothing in-game, you are exactly the "omg leshrac" type a person. Invoker bad sidelane solo???? Sand king is better. (logic behind this during drafting, you just were shut up and did not explain) Bounty Hunter cant be carry - ??? And yeah, I have found person who I dont want to be in team with. Second - you draft like you would play solo every heroes, you dont ask noone opinions. Your rage quit as invoker was so bad that it was bad, we did better when we controlled your supper played invoker and continued fighting.
I can't recall much of what happened in that game, but I do tell people what they're supposed to do if I spot something that they're not doing right, maybe I just didn't see something I thought there was too much wrong with or something, idk.
Sorry I didn't say anything during drafting, was a bit busy with trying to actually draft, here's the reasons why I said that:
Sand king is a better sidelane solo because he needs far less items than invoker does to actually function, he also has sandstorm and burrow strike to get away, should he need to, invoker has nothing to escape with, and he's got a base movement speed of 280. On top of that, caustic finale is very good to stop pushes with, since you're often going to get pushed pretty hard if you're soloing a sidelane, this is very minor though since it's stupidly hard to not die if you put points in caustic finale.
Gondar is bad as a hard carry because while he does have pretty good stat gain, he has no abilities to help him carry aside from jinada, which is only one hit every 6 seconds, and the rate he farms at doesn't even compare to that of an AM, morph, syllabear, void, or even something like a luna, so it's MUCH better to just run him as a sidelane solo, since he can do this relatively well with shadow walk, then go fulltime ganking once you hit level 6 to help your team get a gold advantage with track, while getting items like drum, vlad and diffusal to help out your actual hard carry.
If I feel like I need help with drafting, I'll ask for opinions. If I don't feel like I need help to draft, I won't ask for opinions.
And you can go ahead and watch the replay if you want, what was happening pretty much every fight was that I got shotgunned down almost immediately, so if I buyback, go to the fight and get shotgunned down again, it's not really going to make that big of a difference. Also, our bot t3 tower was at like 300 hp, furion had a level 3 necrobook, and they had a creepwave right outside our base in both mid and bot. If they push mid and furion goes bot, he WILL get rax no matter what. I never ragequit, I called gg when we were in a position that was literally impossible to recover from.
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I played a game with you guys and while we did win, the team's attitude was pretty rotten. Hope to play more though, was probably just a few bad apples. :D
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On September 10 2012 19:31 ScarPe wrote:
is the TL inhouse chan still on captains mode?
i stoped playing this because of that. you have a "pro" captain,
that picks the same heros over and over again. after 5 games, it
gets so damn boring to play the same shit all the time.
make it -RD or -SD and many people will join you again, as skill does not come from playing the heros that you see on pro-streams/games. most people do not seem to realize that.
it is a inhouse game, YES. but this still is a public game and not a clanwar with fixed teams.
if you want to go for super high skilled games, try to join NAVI, EG or any other proteam, but do not try to set up super high skilled games in a public inhouse game.
I kind of agree with this. Of course it should be up to the people in the lobby what they want to play, but I feel like a lot of people take the drafting a bit too seriously. There's people of so widely different skill levels in these games that it almost doesn't matter what heroes you pick. The most skilled/experienced team will probably win no matter what, so you might as well pick some fun heroes.
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
Yo Canas, make more posts like that last one. That post contained a lot of information useful to newbies (or even more experienced people) that I'm sure they will appreciate. Much better than just quitting without a word!
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I don't care if you go 0-7 in the first 10 minutes, the game is only truly ruined when you ragequit. Do not abandon inhouses. Please. 
On the upside, that 50+ minute game last night with Knightess/Beesa carrying with Visage/Zeus was awesome.
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