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Played my first game with the group, very nice experience. I was definitely the worst player in the game, but even so, I got no abuse what-so-ever and even got a few "gj"s thrown my way. Definitely far more fun that solo queueing, and a great way to learn a lot.
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Man.. Just wish i lived in a better timezone );
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To everyone that just played a game with me (Praetor Zin) I sincerely apologize, sorry guys i fucked up in so many ways that game :/ didnt play anywhere near this bad in previous inhouses
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shit happens bro, that lane bot with big diving time was too GOOD !
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On September 10 2012 02:21 TheAntZ wrote:
To everyone that just played a game with me (Praetor Zin) I sincerely apologize, sorry guys i fucked up in so many ways that game :/ didnt play anywhere near this bad in previous inhouses
I wasn't in game but don't sweat it, it's TL it's all love. trust me you can't be worse than the almighty Dankleteer (3 gg branches at 10 mins wuddup)
anyways
About to join in if there are games, lets do this!
edit: nice invoker firebolt
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I still feel a bit of pressure when I try to play anything else than Tidehunter lol.
I would really like to try some mid-game carries (mainly Juggernaut and Naga Siren) or a bit more aggressive supports/pushers (Rubick, Furion, Broodmother for example) but I don't have the guts to simply go there and fail at everything.
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Hey, just started playing Dota 2. I only have played ~5 games, but I am very familiar with Dota 1 and HoN. My Steam ID is CaliberLighT.
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Steam id: "kevingato"
Steam name : "DV | God"
add and message for IH.
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
We can't add all these people individually and message them when we IH. What YOU should do is join our steam group and come into our public chat. That's where our IH's start.
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Hey all,
I've been playing DoTA 2 for a while now (~700 hours) after a little bit of experience with HoN. I played around 150 games in the old TLIH system which unfortunately fell apart, and I'd love to have organized play with you guys again, especially now that it seems a lot nicer! 
Just message me whenever you guys have space and I should be available for a game or two!
Steam ID: "kaoint"
Steam Name: "Soulfire"
EDIT: Oops, didn't see the above post; I'll do that, though if you guys are ever MMing and need another player add me and I'll join you guys.
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On September 10 2012 02:21 TheAntZ wrote:
To everyone that just played a game with me (Praetor Zin) I sincerely apologize, sorry guys i fucked up in so many ways that game :/ didnt play anywhere near this bad in previous inhouses
i fucked up toplane in that game, everyone makes mistakes. And never forget that this is just an inhouse, its not like there is prizemoney to be won or fame to be earned (ok kinda)
On September 10 2012 05:11 Airact wrote:
I still feel a bit of pressure when I try to play anything else than Tidehunter lol.
I would really like to try some mid-game carries (mainly Juggernaut and Naga Siren) or a bit more aggressive supports/pushers (Rubick, Furion, Broodmother for example) but I don't have the guts to simply go there and fail at everything.
I played Panda mid for like the 2nd time yesterday in an inhouse and got good advice on him. even though i was a part of the reason why we lost I got something out of it and i think (read hope) my teammates are not mad at me or anything (hi Mother) isnt mad
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Anyone planning on playing tonight?
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there's an ih up right now, like 20 mins in
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Fun games last night, everyone!
Go purple team~
- Nutty
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Played a fun first game, manners have definitely gone up, which is awesome to see. WP Morph (Cynic)!
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On September 10 2012 00:13 Canas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 00:03 cArn- wrote:On September 09 2012 23:58 _HypeR_ wrote:
canas just left/ragequit the game, game was almost over but he could have buyback and help us for last teamfight... this is not a public game thanks to stay until the end or everyone gg. how was that over we almost defended rax without him and wiping them out... this guy is annoying as fuck, combination of barely average AND arrogant is the worst. Dunno how people bother playing games with this guy This is coming from the guy who got his bfury at like 16-17 mins on a free farming AM and then completed his manta at like 30.
I haven't played in any of the games but reading in this thread, I feel that you have crossed a boundary. I agree that one should expect teammates to carry TPs, to push when supposed to, to listen if they don't know what they're doing. However you seemed to have crossed a boundary on elitism. Since when is a 16-17 min bfury and 30 min manta on AM "pitiful farm"? To expect a full inventory AM at 35 min? I don't think I have ever seen that even in pro games. Seriously if you are this good then go play your very high level matchmaking or join a scrim or just win the game for your team.
On September 08 2012 01:45 Canas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 01:24 FliedLice wrote:
Well the point he's trying to make is, is that there's a difference between constructive criticism and basically saying "fuck you".
I can just speak from peronal experience... When people are like "look, you fucked up there, try to do this and that next time" I'm totally cool with it, even thankful most of the time. But somebody yelling at me without actually bringing up anything useful doesn't help anyone. That's the thing though, it was constructive criticism most of the time. I tend to swear a decent amount, so I guess that's hardly going to be very helpful, but often times it'd be like "jesus christ rubick, if I say to push bot, don't fucking tp top to defend in a lane where we have megacreeps" or something like that Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 00:54 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 08 2012 00:52 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 23:41 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 20:53 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 20:41 Canas wrote:
Did you even read my post? I gave him suggestions as to what he was supposed to pick, BUT NOPE, IT'S SILENCER TIME BABY.
I can't really explain why the pick was so bad during the game, can I? I'm kind of busy with, you know, playing the game.
And I never actually said that the pick was "retarded" in game, I said something along the lines of "are you serious? you go silencer even when I give you plenty of suggestions for what to pick?".
I really have NOTHING against playing with people who are worse than me/bad at the game, as long as they listen and don't try to do something they randomly came up with on the fly, but that simply wasn't the case. you dont understand it at all, do you? afterwards...and a guy who isnt experienced in picking only gets confused by 4 people thjrowing hero names at them.....instead of explaing what the team needs and why...anyway...like firebolt said you take these games so serious that its kinda ridiculous...you are not fitting this teaching enviroment, so have fun playing your "very high " MMR... Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this. This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. so not true, after that am game i played with 3 of the 4 people you played with and so on....we both played with the same players.and after the silencer game i again played with at least 2 people you had played with!and surprise surprise they listened...... mb it was just your tone afterall why people wouldnt listen... Well no, I checked. One player from each team swapped and 4 new players joined. On September 08 2012 00:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 20:53 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 20:41 Canas wrote:
Did you even read my post? I gave him suggestions as to what he was supposed to pick, BUT NOPE, IT'S SILENCER TIME BABY.
I can't really explain why the pick was so bad during the game, can I? I'm kind of busy with, you know, playing the game.
And I never actually said that the pick was "retarded" in game, I said something along the lines of "are you serious? you go silencer even when I give you plenty of suggestions for what to pick?".
I really have NOTHING against playing with people who are worse than me/bad at the game, as long as they listen and don't try to do something they randomly came up with on the fly, but that simply wasn't the case. you dont understand it at all, do you? afterwards...and a guy who isnt experienced in picking only gets confused by 4 people thjrowing hero names at them.....instead of explaing what the team needs and why...anyway...like firebolt said you take these games so serious that its kinda ridiculous...you are not fitting this teaching enviroment, so have fun playing your "very high " MMR... Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this. This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. I'm going to be blunt. As far as I remember, you were always the aggressor. The first tower push against the solo puck had the leshrac not push with you resulting in the first mistake of the game. You immediately raged at him pretty hard instead of explaining his mistake carefully. The rest of the game just followed along this aggressive path until no one really cooperated with each other anymore. I asked him why he let me die when I said to push the tower, and as far as I can remember, shadow shaman also said to push. He went back to pull creeps and as a result, I died while we were pushing the tower. I asked him why he decided to go back and pull creeps even though we said to push, I don't really see how that's aggressive. I'll happily be the first one to admit that it got worse as the game progressed and stuff like this kept happening, because I was starting to get annoyed at it after a while, especially when the first thing leshrac told me after asking him why he didn't push with us was "shut the fuck up" There's a difference between 'hey leshrac, we were supposed to be pushing, you should be with us', and pinging a billion times and asking 'what the fuck leshrac what the fuck are you doing?' The rhasta calling him a fucking idiot didn't help either. What do you expect the leshrac to do, of course he'd feel defensive about the whole situation. And after that it went downhill. I think the exact quote was "what the fuck leshrac? I told you to push and you go pull? are you serious?" Like, if I fucked up (which I did many times during that game, I'd even be quick to admit it a lot of the time, ie when we lost the teamfight at bot I immediately knew it was my fault because I got hit by EMP and couldn't stun or reality rift at all that fight), I kind of expect people to tell me to shape the fuck up to make sure I know I actually did something badly so it doesn't happen again. And like I said, I tend to swear a lot.
In case you haven't realized, the reason people are being defensive and probably not listening to you is because you aren't particularly manner, even if you are trying to give advice. I agree that as an experienced player you have the right to expect new players to listen to you. However new players also deserve the right to have constructive criticism and not get flamed with "what the fuck leshrac" and "jesus christ rubick". They could be legitimately trying their best and when you start getting aggressive then of course it's going to piss them off.
And lastly MotherOfRunes, what is your problem? Do you have a personal vendetta against Canas? I've read through this thread and you take literally every opportunity there is to bash him or put in a snide comment. It's really kind of pathetic behavior and quite condescending in its own way.
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On September 10 2012 10:07 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 00:13 Canas wrote:On September 10 2012 00:03 cArn- wrote:On September 09 2012 23:58 _HypeR_ wrote:
canas just left/ragequit the game, game was almost over but he could have buyback and help us for last teamfight... this is not a public game thanks to stay until the end or everyone gg. how was that over we almost defended rax without him and wiping them out... this guy is annoying as fuck, combination of barely average AND arrogant is the worst. Dunno how people bother playing games with this guy This is coming from the guy who got his bfury at like 16-17 mins on a free farming AM and then completed his manta at like 30. I haven't played in any of the games but reading in this thread, I feel that you have crossed a boundary. I agree that one should expect teammates to carry TPs, to push when supposed to, to listen if they don't know what they're doing. However you seemed to have crossed a boundary on elitism. Since when is a 16-17 min bfury and 30 min manta on AM "pitiful farm"? To expect a full inventory AM at 35 min? I don't think I have ever seen that even in pro games. Seriously if you are this good then go play your very high level matchmaking or join a scrim or just win the game for your team. Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 01:45 Canas wrote:On September 08 2012 01:24 FliedLice wrote:
Well the point he's trying to make is, is that there's a difference between constructive criticism and basically saying "fuck you".
I can just speak from peronal experience... When people are like "look, you fucked up there, try to do this and that next time" I'm totally cool with it, even thankful most of the time. But somebody yelling at me without actually bringing up anything useful doesn't help anyone. That's the thing though, it was constructive criticism most of the time. I tend to swear a decent amount, so I guess that's hardly going to be very helpful, but often times it'd be like "jesus christ rubick, if I say to push bot, don't fucking tp top to defend in a lane where we have megacreeps" or something like that On September 08 2012 00:54 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 08 2012 00:52 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 23:41 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 20:53 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 20:41 Canas wrote:
Did you even read my post? I gave him suggestions as to what he was supposed to pick, BUT NOPE, IT'S SILENCER TIME BABY.
I can't really explain why the pick was so bad during the game, can I? I'm kind of busy with, you know, playing the game.
And I never actually said that the pick was "retarded" in game, I said something along the lines of "are you serious? you go silencer even when I give you plenty of suggestions for what to pick?".
I really have NOTHING against playing with people who are worse than me/bad at the game, as long as they listen and don't try to do something they randomly came up with on the fly, but that simply wasn't the case. you dont understand it at all, do you? afterwards...and a guy who isnt experienced in picking only gets confused by 4 people thjrowing hero names at them.....instead of explaing what the team needs and why...anyway...like firebolt said you take these games so serious that its kinda ridiculous...you are not fitting this teaching enviroment, so have fun playing your "very high " MMR... Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this. This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. so not true, after that am game i played with 3 of the 4 people you played with and so on....we both played with the same players.and after the silencer game i again played with at least 2 people you had played with!and surprise surprise they listened...... mb it was just your tone afterall why people wouldnt listen... Well no, I checked. One player from each team swapped and 4 new players joined. On September 08 2012 00:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 20:53 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 20:41 Canas wrote:
Did you even read my post? I gave him suggestions as to what he was supposed to pick, BUT NOPE, IT'S SILENCER TIME BABY.
I can't really explain why the pick was so bad during the game, can I? I'm kind of busy with, you know, playing the game.
And I never actually said that the pick was "retarded" in game, I said something along the lines of "are you serious? you go silencer even when I give you plenty of suggestions for what to pick?".
I really have NOTHING against playing with people who are worse than me/bad at the game, as long as they listen and don't try to do something they randomly came up with on the fly, but that simply wasn't the case. you dont understand it at all, do you? afterwards...and a guy who isnt experienced in picking only gets confused by 4 people thjrowing hero names at them.....instead of explaing what the team needs and why...anyway...like firebolt said you take these games so serious that its kinda ridiculous...you are not fitting this teaching enviroment, so have fun playing your "very high " MMR... Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this. This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. I'm going to be blunt. As far as I remember, you were always the aggressor. The first tower push against the solo puck had the leshrac not push with you resulting in the first mistake of the game. You immediately raged at him pretty hard instead of explaining his mistake carefully. The rest of the game just followed along this aggressive path until no one really cooperated with each other anymore. I asked him why he let me die when I said to push the tower, and as far as I can remember, shadow shaman also said to push. He went back to pull creeps and as a result, I died while we were pushing the tower. I asked him why he decided to go back and pull creeps even though we said to push, I don't really see how that's aggressive. I'll happily be the first one to admit that it got worse as the game progressed and stuff like this kept happening, because I was starting to get annoyed at it after a while, especially when the first thing leshrac told me after asking him why he didn't push with us was "shut the fuck up" There's a difference between 'hey leshrac, we were supposed to be pushing, you should be with us', and pinging a billion times and asking 'what the fuck leshrac what the fuck are you doing?' The rhasta calling him a fucking idiot didn't help either. What do you expect the leshrac to do, of course he'd feel defensive about the whole situation. And after that it went downhill. I think the exact quote was "what the fuck leshrac? I told you to push and you go pull? are you serious?" Like, if I fucked up (which I did many times during that game, I'd even be quick to admit it a lot of the time, ie when we lost the teamfight at bot I immediately knew it was my fault because I got hit by EMP and couldn't stun or reality rift at all that fight), I kind of expect people to tell me to shape the fuck up to make sure I know I actually did something badly so it doesn't happen again. And like I said, I tend to swear a lot. In case you haven't realized, the reason people are being defensive and probably not listening to you is because you aren't particularly manner, even if you are trying to give advice. I agree that as an experienced player you have the right to expect new players to listen to you. However new players also deserve the right to have constructive criticism and not get flamed with "what the fuck leshrac" and "jesus christ rubick". They could be legitimately trying their best and when you start getting aggressive then of course it's going to piss them off. And lastly MotherOfRunes, what is your problem? Do you have a personal vendetta against Canas? I've read through this thread and you take literally every opportunity there is to bash him or put in a snide comment. It's really kind of pathetic behavior and quite condescending in its own way.
yes its my private vendetta vs douche bags who ruin the inhouse experience for others by acting like douchy elitists. and canas isnt even good, which makes me even more mad. people like him should just go away and play elsewhere
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I remember playing with you, Testie, Polska-laska, Zelnik, ToN on Garena back in the day!
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On September 10 2012 10:07 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 00:13 Canas wrote:On September 10 2012 00:03 cArn- wrote:On September 09 2012 23:58 _HypeR_ wrote:
canas just left/ragequit the game, game was almost over but he could have buyback and help us for last teamfight... this is not a public game thanks to stay until the end or everyone gg. how was that over we almost defended rax without him and wiping them out... this guy is annoying as fuck, combination of barely average AND arrogant is the worst. Dunno how people bother playing games with this guy This is coming from the guy who got his bfury at like 16-17 mins on a free farming AM and then completed his manta at like 30. I haven't played in any of the games but reading in this thread, I feel that you have crossed a boundary. I agree that one should expect teammates to carry TPs, to push when supposed to, to listen if they don't know what they're doing. However you seemed to have crossed a boundary on elitism. Since when is a 16-17 min bfury and 30 min manta on AM "pitiful farm"? To expect a full inventory AM at 35 min? I don't think I have ever seen that even in pro games. Seriously if you are this good then go play your very high level matchmaking or join a scrim or just win the game for your team. Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 01:45 Canas wrote:On September 08 2012 01:24 FliedLice wrote:
Well the point he's trying to make is, is that there's a difference between constructive criticism and basically saying "fuck you".
I can just speak from peronal experience... When people are like "look, you fucked up there, try to do this and that next time" I'm totally cool with it, even thankful most of the time. But somebody yelling at me without actually bringing up anything useful doesn't help anyone. That's the thing though, it was constructive criticism most of the time. I tend to swear a decent amount, so I guess that's hardly going to be very helpful, but often times it'd be like "jesus christ rubick, if I say to push bot, don't fucking tp top to defend in a lane where we have megacreeps" or something like that On September 08 2012 00:54 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 08 2012 00:52 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 23:41 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 20:53 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 20:41 Canas wrote:
Did you even read my post? I gave him suggestions as to what he was supposed to pick, BUT NOPE, IT'S SILENCER TIME BABY.
I can't really explain why the pick was so bad during the game, can I? I'm kind of busy with, you know, playing the game.
And I never actually said that the pick was "retarded" in game, I said something along the lines of "are you serious? you go silencer even when I give you plenty of suggestions for what to pick?".
I really have NOTHING against playing with people who are worse than me/bad at the game, as long as they listen and don't try to do something they randomly came up with on the fly, but that simply wasn't the case. you dont understand it at all, do you? afterwards...and a guy who isnt experienced in picking only gets confused by 4 people thjrowing hero names at them.....instead of explaing what the team needs and why...anyway...like firebolt said you take these games so serious that its kinda ridiculous...you are not fitting this teaching enviroment, so have fun playing your "very high " MMR... Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this. This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. so not true, after that am game i played with 3 of the 4 people you played with and so on....we both played with the same players.and after the silencer game i again played with at least 2 people you had played with!and surprise surprise they listened...... mb it was just your tone afterall why people wouldnt listen... Well no, I checked. One player from each team swapped and 4 new players joined. On September 08 2012 00:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 20:53 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 20:41 Canas wrote:
Did you even read my post? I gave him suggestions as to what he was supposed to pick, BUT NOPE, IT'S SILENCER TIME BABY.
I can't really explain why the pick was so bad during the game, can I? I'm kind of busy with, you know, playing the game.
And I never actually said that the pick was "retarded" in game, I said something along the lines of "are you serious? you go silencer even when I give you plenty of suggestions for what to pick?".
I really have NOTHING against playing with people who are worse than me/bad at the game, as long as they listen and don't try to do something they randomly came up with on the fly, but that simply wasn't the case. you dont understand it at all, do you? afterwards...and a guy who isnt experienced in picking only gets confused by 4 people thjrowing hero names at them.....instead of explaing what the team needs and why...anyway...like firebolt said you take these games so serious that its kinda ridiculous...you are not fitting this teaching enviroment, so have fun playing your "very high " MMR... Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this. This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. I'm going to be blunt. As far as I remember, you were always the aggressor. The first tower push against the solo puck had the leshrac not push with you resulting in the first mistake of the game. You immediately raged at him pretty hard instead of explaining his mistake carefully. The rest of the game just followed along this aggressive path until no one really cooperated with each other anymore. I asked him why he let me die when I said to push the tower, and as far as I can remember, shadow shaman also said to push. He went back to pull creeps and as a result, I died while we were pushing the tower. I asked him why he decided to go back and pull creeps even though we said to push, I don't really see how that's aggressive. I'll happily be the first one to admit that it got worse as the game progressed and stuff like this kept happening, because I was starting to get annoyed at it after a while, especially when the first thing leshrac told me after asking him why he didn't push with us was "shut the fuck up" There's a difference between 'hey leshrac, we were supposed to be pushing, you should be with us', and pinging a billion times and asking 'what the fuck leshrac what the fuck are you doing?' The rhasta calling him a fucking idiot didn't help either. What do you expect the leshrac to do, of course he'd feel defensive about the whole situation. And after that it went downhill. I think the exact quote was "what the fuck leshrac? I told you to push and you go pull? are you serious?" Like, if I fucked up (which I did many times during that game, I'd even be quick to admit it a lot of the time, ie when we lost the teamfight at bot I immediately knew it was my fault because I got hit by EMP and couldn't stun or reality rift at all that fight), I kind of expect people to tell me to shape the fuck up to make sure I know I actually did something badly so it doesn't happen again. And like I said, I tend to swear a lot. In case you haven't realized, the reason people are being defensive and probably not listening to you is because you aren't particularly manner, even if you are trying to give advice. I agree that as an experienced player you have the right to expect new players to listen to you. However new players also deserve the right to have constructive criticism and not get flamed with "what the fuck leshrac" and "jesus christ rubick". They could be legitimately trying their best and when you start getting aggressive then of course it's going to piss them off. And lastly MotherOfRunes, what is your problem? Do you have a personal vendetta against Canas? I've read through this thread and you take literally every opportunity there is to bash him or put in a snide comment. It's really kind of pathetic behavior and quite condescending in its own way.
When the guy is all like "yeah give me AM and I'll win ez", "give me AM and I'll show you how AM is supposed to be played", etc., during the picking phase, I kind of expect a decent performace, since I hadn't originally intended to draft AM. Not having a battlefury before 16:20 (I checked the replay to make absolutely sure), when your lane is practically completely empty, I would say is pretty bad, but it's not unacceptable by any means. What is unacceptable is that it takes a bfury AM (fastest farmer in the game, period) 14 minutes to farm a manta style, that isn't just bad farm, that is truly fucking awful farm. On top of that, this AM calls me "barely average" when he's far worse himself, so I decided to state my opinion, like he stated his.
And again, I never start off sounding irritated, it's when I've told people to do something 3-4 times and they still don't listen, that I start getting irritated as they're clearly not listening.
On September 10 2012 10:42 MotherOfRunes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:07 writer22816 wrote:On September 10 2012 00:13 Canas wrote:On September 10 2012 00:03 cArn- wrote:On September 09 2012 23:58 _HypeR_ wrote:
canas just left/ragequit the game, game was almost over but he could have buyback and help us for last teamfight... this is not a public game thanks to stay until the end or everyone gg. how was that over we almost defended rax without him and wiping them out... this guy is annoying as fuck, combination of barely average AND arrogant is the worst. Dunno how people bother playing games with this guy This is coming from the guy who got his bfury at like 16-17 mins on a free farming AM and then completed his manta at like 30. I haven't played in any of the games but reading in this thread, I feel that you have crossed a boundary. I agree that one should expect teammates to carry TPs, to push when supposed to, to listen if they don't know what they're doing. However you seemed to have crossed a boundary on elitism. Since when is a 16-17 min bfury and 30 min manta on AM "pitiful farm"? To expect a full inventory AM at 35 min? I don't think I have ever seen that even in pro games. Seriously if you are this good then go play your very high level matchmaking or join a scrim or just win the game for your team. On September 08 2012 01:45 Canas wrote:On September 08 2012 01:24 FliedLice wrote:
Well the point he's trying to make is, is that there's a difference between constructive criticism and basically saying "fuck you".
I can just speak from peronal experience... When people are like "look, you fucked up there, try to do this and that next time" I'm totally cool with it, even thankful most of the time. But somebody yelling at me without actually bringing up anything useful doesn't help anyone. That's the thing though, it was constructive criticism most of the time. I tend to swear a decent amount, so I guess that's hardly going to be very helpful, but often times it'd be like "jesus christ rubick, if I say to push bot, don't fucking tp top to defend in a lane where we have megacreeps" or something like that On September 08 2012 00:54 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 08 2012 00:52 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 23:41 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 20:53 MotherOfRunes wrote:
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you dont understand it at all, do you? afterwards...and a guy who isnt experienced in picking only gets confused by 4 people thjrowing hero names at them.....instead of explaing what the team needs and why...anyway...like firebolt said you take these games so serious that its kinda ridiculous...you are not fitting this teaching enviroment, so have fun playing your "very high " MMR... Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this. This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. so not true, after that am game i played with 3 of the 4 people you played with and so on....we both played with the same players.and after the silencer game i again played with at least 2 people you had played with!and surprise surprise they listened...... mb it was just your tone afterall why people wouldnt listen... Well no, I checked. One player from each team swapped and 4 new players joined. On September 08 2012 00:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 07 2012 22:53 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 22:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:On September 07 2012 21:24 Canas wrote:On September 07 2012 20:53 MotherOfRunes wrote:
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you dont understand it at all, do you? afterwards...and a guy who isnt experienced in picking only gets confused by 4 people thjrowing hero names at them.....instead of explaing what the team needs and why...anyway...like firebolt said you take these games so serious that its kinda ridiculous...you are not fitting this teaching enviroment, so have fun playing your "very high " MMR... Yeah I don't enjoy spending 2 hours on getting absolutely stomped in poor quality games because people simply won't listen to what I tell them. I don't care about winning/losing as long as the games are somewhat even, which they weren't. I'm sure a lot of people share my view on this. This is really simple stuff, if you don't know how drafting works, don't take the blue/pink slot and watch someone else draft until you feel comfortable with doing it yourself. The only reason I acted like I did was because people started arguing with me when I simply told them what to do, how in the fuck am I supposed to teach someone if they tell me to "shut the fuck up" when I point something out? funny thing is, we mixed up the the people, i think i played with almost all of them...and it was always your team ending up losing, how can the games be that imbalanced when i played in game 2 with guys from the other team game 1....etc etc Pathetic how much you try to provoke me with these kinds of posts. No, we hardly mixed the teams at all. We swapped 1 player on each team and 4 new people joined. First game wasn't as bad, but we lost because you had an AM and people just wouldn't push when I told them to. Second game we lost during the drafting phase. Also I just went to check, out of everyone I played with last night, 1 guy had a >50% winrate, and he had like 60 games played in total, which was not the case for the people I played against. Either way, I don't care. I tried telling people what they were doing wrong, what they should be doing, etc. I got told to shut the fuck up and I got argued with. Not worth my time. I'm going to be blunt. As far as I remember, you were always the aggressor. The first tower push against the solo puck had the leshrac not push with you resulting in the first mistake of the game. You immediately raged at him pretty hard instead of explaining his mistake carefully. The rest of the game just followed along this aggressive path until no one really cooperated with each other anymore. I asked him why he let me die when I said to push the tower, and as far as I can remember, shadow shaman also said to push. He went back to pull creeps and as a result, I died while we were pushing the tower. I asked him why he decided to go back and pull creeps even though we said to push, I don't really see how that's aggressive. I'll happily be the first one to admit that it got worse as the game progressed and stuff like this kept happening, because I was starting to get annoyed at it after a while, especially when the first thing leshrac told me after asking him why he didn't push with us was "shut the fuck up" There's a difference between 'hey leshrac, we were supposed to be pushing, you should be with us', and pinging a billion times and asking 'what the fuck leshrac what the fuck are you doing?' The rhasta calling him a fucking idiot didn't help either. What do you expect the leshrac to do, of course he'd feel defensive about the whole situation. And after that it went downhill. I think the exact quote was "what the fuck leshrac? I told you to push and you go pull? are you serious?" Like, if I fucked up (which I did many times during that game, I'd even be quick to admit it a lot of the time, ie when we lost the teamfight at bot I immediately knew it was my fault because I got hit by EMP and couldn't stun or reality rift at all that fight), I kind of expect people to tell me to shape the fuck up to make sure I know I actually did something badly so it doesn't happen again. And like I said, I tend to swear a lot. In case you haven't realized, the reason people are being defensive and probably not listening to you is because you aren't particularly manner, even if you are trying to give advice. I agree that as an experienced player you have the right to expect new players to listen to you. However new players also deserve the right to have constructive criticism and not get flamed with "what the fuck leshrac" and "jesus christ rubick". They could be legitimately trying their best and when you start getting aggressive then of course it's going to piss them off. And lastly MotherOfRunes, what is your problem? Do you have a personal vendetta against Canas? I've read through this thread and you take literally every opportunity there is to bash him or put in a snide comment. It's really kind of pathetic behavior and quite condescending in its own way. yes its my private vendetta vs douche bags who ruin the inhouse experience for others by acting like douchy elitists. and canas isnt even good, which makes me even more mad. people like him should just go away and play elsewhere
You're not any less douchy with all these passive aggressive comments towards me + you're worse than me at this game.
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On a side note, anyone on TL up for Inhouses 20~24 JST/KST?
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