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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
On February 25 2013 11:42 a slow decay wrote: Tranqs are pretty standard on Gyro nowadays and you get another boots later on. Starting items should be 1x tango 1x salve Ring of Protection 1x slipper 1x branch. Midas is situational if you can get it before 8-9 minutes. Crystalys should be in Viper's core, he is a very bursty hero due to his passive so he wants to have the ability to rip chunks out of enemies. He loves Ring of Aquila and even 1 additional wraith band in the early game. Viper should start with 1x tango 1x slave 2x slippers 2x branch Mirana doesn't really need to start with the RoP in her inventory. 1x tango 1x salve 2x slippers 2x branch is best starter for her for a new mirana mid player, it will allow her to get last hits well. Skill Build looks great on her although I would personally say Linken's is core with Manta as illusions benefit from the stats and she positions in odd ways due to her nature. Quelling Blade and Ring of Health is early game core on Spectre. Especially Ring of Health, she wants to pick it up ASAP unless she has a really nice babysit trilane (which in pubs she wont) Midas is early game core on Lone Druid whether he's laning or jungle so you should make a note on it if you can get it before 9 minutes to buy it and to always use it on big creeps at big camps in jungle ASAP I don't really think crit is core on viper. I'd actually argue the opposite and say he is not a "bursty" hero as his passive and item buildup lend themselves more to a relatively tanky (once you get vit booster or so) slowing orb walker that can dish out a lot of damage but is more focused around staying alive and kiting as long as possible to do the most damage. Sure you can burst someone quickly in a 1v1 situation but building him like a typical Agi carry can result in you getting focused down in team fights quite quickly. I'm also hesitant about Ring of health being core on spectre considering the fact that you don't want to build vanguard on her anymore so its largely wasted as you don't want perseverance on her either. Treads are nice for illusions and all but I think tranqs are fine on her for at least laning phase and can be swapped out later after getting diffusal/manta. | ||
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a slow decay
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It can be argued for situational rather than core but I would argue it is core on him and I've seen a few higher level players pick it up (no notable streamers though) RoH on Spectre vs Tranqs is a good argument, I really like it on her for the laning phase as I prefer to get a quick treads but I would agree Tranqs is more common in pro games. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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lazyitachi
1043 Posts
Core is definitely BOT and Soul Ring. Since you are going ganking build, the dagger seems to be the core. Allows you to easily close gaps to easily combo. Dagon, eblade, hex as obvious follow ups for more combo powa. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Here are all the heroes I need feedback on. In total, this took me about 4 days to complete, about 40 hours to do. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Like i said before soul ring should be urn on treant. and he should probably just buy the courier not wards too, due to his need for more money than typical for someone running support. starting items should be like ogre gauntlet courier 2 clarity salve and tango. Necro 3 as a good item on him as well. Blink isn't really as important either as overgrowth ceased to be an initiation spell a while back, it's more of a counter initiate. and drums is only really good on treant because drums is a good item, not because its a treant item. Also putting a second point in natures guise at level three and waiting for level 4 to get all three actives is pretty important as well. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 25 2013 12:51 PrinceXizor wrote: Viper core is like Mekansm bkb right? iirc. not manta, crystalis. pretty sure thats what is done with him in the past in pro games. There are a million ways to play viper, because of how versatile his skills are. The way I've been most comfortable with is still the tanky Viper played in Chinese pubs with something like Phase+Urn+Wand->Drums->Heart->AC/Bfly/Manta. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Chaosquo
Germany154 Posts
Viper:  ) I also like phase/drums better, as it makes you a very potent chaser.Weaver: I much prefer weaver in a side lane solo, as he doesnt do much as a mid hero. Linkens is also a item thats very commonly seen on him. Also Desolator combines well with the armor reduction of Swarm. Mirana: Also a hero where I am more a fan of phase/drums, as she depends on her mobility to stay alive/do damage. DS: Still no pipe?  I disagree with Bloodstone on both DP and Lina, there is a good guide on DP that explains why Bloodstone is bad (Link, basically you have only one spell to spam and respawning quickly doesnt do anything as you dont have ult.) If you want to go carry lina, she can right click quite well, so I think something like skadi gives you way more than bloodstone. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 25 2013 19:27 Chaosquo wrote: Viper: Getting a second level of nethertoxin at 3 is better, as only the third level in poison attack has 0 s cd. I also like phase/drums better, as it makes you a very potent chaser. Actually, the best to have by level 3 is 1/1/1. All 3 skills are strong at their first ranks. What you choose to level after that depends on your playstyle/build. It's fairly common to only leave Poison Attack at 3 and max the other 2 skills first though, since the 4th rank of Poison Attack does not affect the CD and only increases the slow % and damage by a bit (the damage increase is less than what you'd get from a rank of Nethertoxin in most cases). The tanky Viper style I mentioned before typically is 3/1/1/1 by level 6, and then maxes Corrosive Skin over Nethertoxin. | ||
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Skamtet
Canada634 Posts
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
You write Enigma as Engima twice in the guide, I'm maybe nitpicking here but if you can't even write the hero name right thats going to turn away potential guide users. Also maybe add some luxury/situational items for him since Enigma usually has decent gpm, Refresher Orb comes to mind and Scythe of Vyse is always good. For Tidehunter I'd consider adding Mekansm to situational items, it's a solid purchase if your team doesn't already have a dedicated Mekansm carrier and I personally build it before Blink Dagger if the opposite team isn't heavy on magic immunity. On Anti-Mage maybe one point in Spell Shield a lot earlier? 26% magic resistance can be pretty huge compared to what one point in Blink or Mana Break does. I'm a horrendous AM though but still. And maybe remove Blink/Dagon while at it, someone might actually build them and downvote you after he gets his ass flamed. : ) I'm not very experienced with Huskar either but Bottle seemed kind a meh to me on him, you barely use mana on the hero and get lifesteal early on. On Witch Doctor imo it's good to get one point in Voodoo Restoration early. Dr.Panda wrote a beastly guide about Death Prophet and why Bloodstone is bad on her, not sure if it would be ethical to steal his entire build to your own though. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
If you go the mask of madness route though i think that you should try to be more agressive, and you should also max time lock before backtrack, because timelock increases you dps quite a lot during chrono (it does twice the damage against chronosphered units). Also I think you could add more items for the extension, butterfly /mjollinr etc. I know these are supposed to be standard "cookie cutter" builds, but I think you could develop this one a bit more. Also I'm far from being a void expert so I hope more people will give their opinions. Anyway, thanks for doing that it's a nice initiative. Concerning the AM build I completly agress with the post before me, a point in magic resist is really good early on if the other team has nukers (am is very squishy early on) | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 25 2013 20:35 Skamtet wrote: i see absolutely no reason to max doppelwalk, over stats or juxtapose. definitely not worth skipping your ultimate for it, at least. Give me the build entirely for PL. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 25 2013 22:45 Vaelone wrote: I'm awful so take these with a grain of salt, but leaving some of my thoughts here anyway. You write Enigma as Engima twice in the guide, I'm maybe nitpicking here but if you can't even write the hero name right thats going to turn away potential guide users. Also maybe add some luxury/situational items for him since Enigma usually has decent gpm, Refresher Orb comes to mind and Scythe of Vyse is always good. For Tidehunter I'd consider adding Mekansm to situational items, it's a solid purchase if your team doesn't already have a dedicated Mekansm carrier and I personally build it before Blink Dagger if the opposite team isn't heavy on magic immunity. On Anti-Mage maybe one point in Spell Shield a lot earlier? 26% magic resistance can be pretty huge compared to what one point in Blink or Mana Break does. I'm a horrendous AM though but still. And maybe remove Blink/Dagon while at it, someone might actually build them and downvote you after he gets his ass flamed. : ) I'm not very experienced with Huskar either but Bottle seemed kind a meh to me on him, you barely use mana on the hero and get lifesteal early on. On Witch Doctor imo it's good to get one point in Voodoo Restoration early. Dr.Panda wrote a beastly guide about Death Prophet and why Bloodstone is bad on her, not sure if it would be ethical to steal his entire build to your own though. Thanks for this! I'll update this! Thanks for looking out for typos! | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Lance maxed by 7. 1-2 points stats before 6 (player preference). Generally take ult at 6 even if you don't have Juxtapose yet (10% magic resist still good to have early on), though sometimes you can level other things. After that Lance>Juxtapose>Doppel, with ult whenever you can. | ||
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Updated Enigma Updated Tidehunter Updated Void Updated DP Updated Viper Doing PL now. (He sounds very flexible, so I added stats). Added credits. | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
Left to verify and improve. I might need help posting this on Reddit. | ||
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