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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 26 2013 17:33 GMT
#201
On February 27 2013 02:18 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 02:16 Cragus wrote:
On February 27 2013 02:00 Torte de Lini wrote:
I thought we established that this gyro build was also acceptable.
updated slark.

It's fine, slow decay is right about pros only leaving missile at 1, but putting more points into it isn't a bad build by any means. If you just add a comment to missile that leaving it at one and maxing flak after barrage is an option for better teamfights/farming then I think you'll be fine. Personally, I would change it to a level 1 missile and add a comment about how maxing missile is an option for stronger single-target ganking since level 1 missile is the dominant build professionally at the moment, but it doesn't really matter. To be honest, almost any skill build on gyro is viable as long as you aren't going pure stats or skipping call down.

Pure stats isn't even bad on him. 1/1/1->~3-4 points stats->max Flak has been seen before.

Pas was 1/1/0/1 stats at level 9 yesterday when Mouz played Liquid.
super gg
Cragus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada144 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 17:44:20
February 26 2013 17:43 GMT
#202
With the Gyro item build, one thing is that Aghas is a waste of money on him in the vast majority of games. The situations where rapier is the correct choice are more common than ones for aghas. Dominator/Satanic should be added to situational. Butterfly is good too.
aka Nakji/Сталкер/Reed
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 26 2013 17:50 GMT
#203
updated him
I kept Aghanim's under Luxury.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 18:13:00
February 26 2013 17:56 GMT
#204
Had a full response to your Pugna guide and I accidentally closed this tab.... brb with a new (and probably worse) response.


RE: Pugna


Pugna is also very effective at stalling enemy pushes, and is very potent against heroes that rely on wave-clearing abilities.

Pugna as a solo mid:
This is something that I feel shouldn't be overlooked. He is very strong in mid, especially with a fast bottle. His blast provides great harassment as well as wave clear for when you want to push the lane. This allows you to get a better chance at grabbing a rune. Pugna is very capable of getting kills with haste and invis.

What to do with mid farm/exp:
Pugna can lead pushes with maxed ward and blast, and a fast Mek from the easy mid farm. Hide your ward in the fog of war somewhere, and begin your siege* on enemy towers with your blast (it affects enemy towers directly), and your team at your back.

Items:
Phase Boots are great on Pugna because they allow for very easy counter initiation, and obviously provide you with more right click damage. Preferential, but I prefer them over Mana Treads in most situations.
If you are mid and the game goes beyond just your Mek, feel free to start on a variety of disabling items: Hex (incredibly expensive), Eul's, Atos.



*I played Pugna solo mid in a competitive game where our captain drafted a very competent pushing line-up. Pugna mid + Lone Druid safe lane = dead towers when you get your Mek, and your Bear has Maelstrom or something along those lines. We ran Radiance at the time because our Druid could farm it up safely and quickly.
#TeamBuLba
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 26 2013 19:21 GMT
#205
I put Pugna as lane due to better heroes being able to play mid in addition to how well he works with other heroes in the lane.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
a slow decay
Profile Joined January 2013
150 Posts
February 26 2013 19:31 GMT
#206
It's "acceptable" in that it's worse but yeah I guess you can leave the gyro build the same. The build just doesn't match the strengths of the hero or the way he is being played, you lose TONS of lane control and harassment by not having Flak early and lose your ability to turn around ganks in order to gain very slight buffs to your zoning skill which is considered gyro's weakest skill anyway.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 26 2013 21:15 GMT
#207
I think I'm ready to post these on Reddit, anyone have any suggestions on how to go about it?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
February 27 2013 00:32 GMT
#208
On February 27 2013 06:15 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think I'm ready to post these on Reddit, anyone have any suggestions on how to go about it?

What do you mean? Just make a post with a bit off a overyhyped title like ULTIMATE GUIDE TO DOTA!!1

Add some drama to it: The guide tobi didn't want you to see

and end it off with a sprinkle of xenophobia: NO RUSSIAN!!1

Serious

1) Normal title: Hey r/dota I made a basic guide for every hero, what do you think?

2) Then add the guides with some formatting. If you need more help pm me.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 27 2013 01:11 GMT
#209
Weird, all the guides I try to view tell me they've been removed/don't exist.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 01:24:17
February 27 2013 01:23 GMT
#210
Really?

edit wtF?
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Cragus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada144 Posts
February 27 2013 01:51 GMT
#211
I think the steam servers are just having a hiccup, I can't view my guides either.
aka Nakji/Сталкер/Reed
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 27 2013 01:58 GMT
#212
God I hope so ):
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TiBe
Profile Joined November 2009
Mexico200 Posts
February 27 2013 19:57 GMT
#213
Same happening to me, since yesterday I can see any guide, stupid Steam
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 27 2013 20:17 GMT
#214
Its back and it goes down again, last night was brutal
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
a slow decay
Profile Joined January 2013
150 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 16:27:52
February 28 2013 16:21 GMT
#215
Running through the ones you want to still be looked at:

Jakiro: One level of Liquid Fire at level 4 is pretty standard for the attack speed reduction.
Pugna: Looks okay, sometimes people take more ward early but it looks fine.
Lion: Needs Force Staff moved to situational and Blink into core. Going hexless until impale and mana drain is maxed is pretty common nowadays, you need more than one level of mana drain before level 8 and hex is really mana intensive anyways.
Slark: Looks okay I don't play the hero but Drums/Skadi is what I usually see so it's fine.
Kunkka: Looks okay
Tusk: Battlefury should be situational. It's really insane on Tusk if you can get it before like 18 minutes.
Timbersaw: looks fine.
Treant: Ring of Basilus is core and Vladimir's is situational (make a note on getting it if you have melee carries)
Alchemist: Phase Boots are situational. Lothar's is situational for stunning/ganking alchemist. Ring of Basilus is core, he really needs the armor.
Huskar: Needs drums in situational, I would argue Halberd is extension but Halberd is like one of my favorite items in the game.
Windrunner: Starting items should be tango salve 2xclarity 2xbranch
Witch Doctor: Starting items should be courier tango salve clarity branches
Batrider: About as cookie cutter as you can get, looks fine.
Gyrocopter: Gyro still needs his skill build fixed. Leave homing at 1 level and level barrage + flak, you want 1 point in each skill at level 3. Remove Aghanim's from his item build
Lone Druid: Vlad's is pretty good after you finish your AC+damage item so add it to situational and make a note to get it late.
Spectre: If you aren't going to build anything with the RoH you can alternatively build Tranquils into core, which is more common nowadays that Vang isn't picked up as much. I still buy RoH though because I like it.
Naga Siren: Needs a quelling.
Medusa: Looks fine.
Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
February 28 2013 16:40 GMT
#216
I heartily agree with removing Aghanim's from Gyrocopter's build. That item is situational AT BEST, and probably not worth it when you could get other +dmg items and join in team fights and destroy everything with flak cannon.
The Innocent shall suffer... big time.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 28 2013 17:01 GMT
#217
Updating...
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 28 2013 17:51 GMT
#218
Updated them all suggested.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 18:03:07
February 28 2013 18:00 GMT
#219
Wait, you don't have drums, soul ring, tranquils suggested on morphling?!?!

Just kidding - but more seriously you should add HoD / Satanic to the Situational items on him, and maybe consider having manta style on situational as well (as it can be situational whether you get manta or you get an EB. Having it as core usually suggests that you should always get manta before you get an EB).

Edit: it might be worth having 1-2 sentences talking about why EB is good on morph - "When putting a lot of points into Agility, using EB and following it up with adaptive strike on the ghosted target will amplify the damage which is mostly based on Agility. This will allow you to do massive damage, sometimes one-shot-killing some of the squishier supports on the other team." or something to that extent.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 28 2013 18:34 GMT
#220
Updated Alchemist.
I'm playing all the heroes to see where the builds are missing out.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
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