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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 19 2013 21:52 GMT
#761
My rule is, "does Puppy skill it at lvl 6". If the answer is yes, then I assume it's a good idea.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
December 19 2013 21:53 GMT
#762
Puppey skills it at 6 because he uses it in early teamfights. That's a pretty big call that one has to make when playing CM, and it's not very hard to make either.
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NotYango
Profile Joined December 2013
United States719 Posts
December 19 2013 21:58 GMT
#763
I still wouldn't skill it later than 9. After you have max Nova, rank 2 Frostbite, and 1-2 aura, it's hard to justify rank 3 Frostbite (which gains no damage over rank 2) or an additional aura rank over the ult.
yango pls
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 19 2013 22:01 GMT
#764
Interestingly, delaying levels 2 and 3 of ult can make sense considering the mana-pool constraints an underfarmed CM will find herself with.

Situational enough to not really feature in these guides, but CM can barely cast all her spells at 11 from a full mana pool if she gets level 2 ultimate.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 22:09:06
December 19 2013 22:04 GMT
#765
With the new patch and all the hard push line ups we are seeing, big team fight seem to always come pre level 11. I think it's a good call the majority of the time. I have even used it to screen a team mate from a failed gank.

Edit: as for mana, that's a valid concerns. It doesn't come up a lot in my games, but I could see it as a problem.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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NotYango
Profile Joined December 2013
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 22:10:38
December 19 2013 22:06 GMT
#766
Regardless, I'm pretty sure we can all agree that going 4-4-2, and then for whatever reason going BACK to get the last 2 aura ranks at a time when teams will have 1-2 Arcane Boots to fill in gaps in mana over getting a teamfight ult at level 11/12 was just silly.

On December 20 2013 07:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
Situational enough to not really feature in these guides, but CM can barely cast all her spells at 11 from a full mana pool if she gets level 2 ultimate.

It depends whether she got her Staff of Wizardry for her first 2k+ gold item yet when she hits 11. Generally she will, but sometimes, you're forced to make a diversion for other items that delay you getting a +Int item that grows your mana pool enough for that.
yango pls
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 23:14:06
December 19 2013 23:07 GMT
#767
updated: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128851981
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 26 2013 15:23 GMT
#768
Lycan Jungling guide doesn't work anymore I think. I find it incredibly difficult to jungle with him
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
December 26 2013 16:15 GMT
#769
On December 27 2013 00:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
Lycan Jungling guide doesn't work anymore I think. I find it incredibly difficult to jungle with him


you have to tank a lot with the hero so going ring of protection, stout and tango seems to be the way to go. 7-8 minute vlads should be no problem if you don't get harassed in jungle.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-27 11:14:35
December 27 2013 10:57 GMT
#770
Format Changes to Guides


  • Removed [TORTE] to all guides.
  • Moved (Lane/Jungle/Middle) to the center of the guide title for better viewing
  • Added @TorteDeLini for feedback (since most don't like going to Steam Community -> Guide -> Hero guide)

    (I'm having a problem with Contributors. It doesn't linebreak whatsoever so if I add more than one name, it cuts off the other name)

  • Removed Contributors tab until contributions are made specifically for those guides.
  • Changed existing "Contributors" tab to "Thanks" due to character limit
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 27 2013 11:28 GMT
#771
On December 20 2013 06:52 Plansix wrote:
My rule is, "does Puppy skill it at lvl 6". If the answer is yes, then I assume it's a good idea.

PlansixGaming
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 27 2013 13:23 GMT
#772
5.5 million subscriptions achieved.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 28 2013 00:12 GMT
#773
Format changes updated:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/0825771/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=570

Titles should be easier to read and find in-game. Added changes listed above.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
December 28 2013 17:05 GMT
#774
necro guide lacks heart as endgame item
necro guide lacks dagon / e-blade as situational, if you need more damage.
necro guide lacks bkb/pipe as situational
i would never buy a rod of atos on necro, your ult is a really powerful disable and i would rather get a dagon to kill the enemy faster if i need extra disable i get a sheep stick.

just some opinions, i only use guides because clicking the little icons on the guide thing is just more convienient.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 28 2013 19:30 GMT
#775
The Necro guide is pretty lacking in general. Phase Boots Necro is a relic from when Phase Boots were OP and gave armor years ago. Treads are much more the norm now.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 19:40:15
December 28 2013 19:39 GMT
#776
It's quite outdated from pre-6.79 I believe, which is strange because I just recently played him.

Some of the guides need revising unfortunately, sometimes its difficult to pick them out.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
December 28 2013 19:41 GMT
#777
Exactly what kind of players are these aimed at? Went through a few, I don't follow any of these itemwise and skillwise.
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 19:46:54
December 28 2013 19:45 GMT
#778
Necrophos

Removed Drums of Endurance
Removed Rod of Atos
Removed Phase Boots
Removed Bloodstone
Added Treads to Core Items
Added Pipe of Insight, Dagon to Situational Items
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension

Added Thanks: idonthinksobro

I'm a bit iffy with Heart as it seems a bit redundant.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
December 28 2013 20:20 GMT
#779
more often than not you are the highest priority target for the enemy team, if you surive you win the teamfight. Heart is a great item to make sure you surive the initial burst.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 30 2013 13:07 GMT
#780
Its been updated.

There are some heroes I'm unsure about currently and spending a bit of time evaluating.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
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