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Actual Schedule (CET) Day 1 - 7:00-8:00PM Patch notes read - 8:00-12:30PM Updating guides to 7.05 patch - 12:30-1:30PM Tagging Titles to 7.05 - 1:30-2:00PM Mass publishing Total Elapsed Time: 7 Hours Total changes made: 101 approx. changes 26 Guides applied 129 Guides remain unchanged Terrorblade Added Bloodthorn to Luxury Items Removed Daedalus  ClinkzNew Talent Tree: 10 (+10 Intelligence), 15 (+30 Searing Arrows Damage), 20 (+10 All Stats), 25 (+125 Attack Range) Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Moved Medallion of Courage to Core Items Removed Blight Stone  BristlebackNew Talent Tree: 11 (+2 Mana Regen), 15 (+200 Health), 20 (+50 Attack Speed), 25 (+30 Health Regen) Created New Tab: "Extension Items - Offensive" Added Octarine Core to Extension Items - Defensive Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items - Defensive Added Boots of Travel to "Extension Items - Offensive" Added Abbysal Blade to "Extension Items - Offensive" Moved Sange & Yasha to "Extension Items - Offensive" Moved Aghanim's Scepter to "Extension Items - Offensive" Moved Assault Cuirass to "Extension Items - Offensive"  Alchemist (Core - Physical)New Skill Build: E Q W W W R W Q Q T Q R E E T E R T T (1. Unstable Concoction 2. Acid Spray 3. Greevil's Greed) New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Damage), 15 (+80 Unstable Concoction Damage), 20 (+300 Health), 25 (-5 Acid Spray Armor) Added Phase Boots to Core Items Added Medallion of Courage to Core Items Added Battlefury to Core Items Added Solar Crest to Situational Items Moved Armlet of Morddigian to Situational Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items Removed Power Treads Removed Eye of Skadi Death Prophet New Skill Build: Q E Q E E R E Q Q T W R W W T W R T T (1. Spirit Siphon 2. Crypt Swarm 3. Silence) Faceless Void New Talent Tree: 10 (+8 Strength), 15 (+25 Damage), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (+600 Timewalk Cast Range) Added Slipper of Agility x2 to Starting Items Removed Stout Shield  Lina (Core)New Talent Tree: 11 (+80 Light Strike Array Damage), 15 (+50 Damage), 20 (+150 Attack Range), 25 (+40/4% Fiery Soul Per Stack) Lina (Support)New Talent Tree: 10 (+125 Cast Range), 15 (-30s Respawn Time), 20 (+6 Spell Amplification), 25 (-4s Dragon Slave Cooldown)  Doom (Offlane)New Talent Tree: 10 (+80 Devour Bonus Gold), 15 (+15 Scorched Earth Damage/Heal), 20 (Devour Can Target Ancients), 25 (+2% Infernal Blade Damage) Created New Tab: "Early Game" Created New Tab: "Luxury Items" Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items Added Hand of Midas to "Early Game" Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game" Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items Added Refresher Orb to "Luxury Items" Added Radiance to "Luxury Items" Added Octarine Core to "Luxury Items" Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to "Luxury Items" Removed Quelling Blade Removed Observer Ward Removed Stout Shield Doom (Jungle)New Talent Tree: 10 (+80 Devour Bonus Gold), 15 (+15 Scorched Early Damage/Heal), 20 (Devour Can Target Ancients), 25 (+40 Regen) Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items  ViperNew Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Damage), 15 (+8 Strength), 20 (+75 Attack Range), 25 (+80 Viper Strike DPS) Added Maelstrom to Core Items (Mid - Aggro) Removed Yasha Removed Dragon Lance Techies New Talent Tree: 10 (+2 Mana Regen), 15 (+200 Cast Range), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (20% Cooldown Reduction) Nature's Prophet (Core) Nature's Prophet (Core2) Removed Orb of Venom  BaneAdded Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Moved Rod of Atos to Situational Items Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Vengeful Spirit (Core) Added Solar Crest to Situational Items Moved Manta Style to Core Items Moved Sange & Yaha to Situational Items Removed Hurricane Pike Removed Desolator Phoenix (Offlane) Added Wind Lace to Starting Items Removed Iron Branch Removed Ring of Protection  Shadow ShamanNew Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Movement Speed), 15 (+100 Cast Range), 20 (-30s Respawn Time), 25 (+350 Ether Shock Damage)  PugnaAdded Linken's Sphere to Extension Items  RazorNew Skill Build: W E W Q Q Q Q R E T E R E W T W R T T (1. Plasma Field 2. Static Link 3. Unstable Current) New Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Agility), 15 (+130 Unstable Current Damage), 20 (+40 Attack Speed), 25 (+175 Attack Range) Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items Moved Hurricane Pike to Core Items Removed Wind Lace Removed Dragon Lance  Phantom LancerNew Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Phantom Lance 2. Doppelganger 3. Phantom Rush) New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Attack Speed), 15 (+8 All Stats), 20 (+15% Magic Resistance), 25 (+20 Strength) Added Slipper of Agility x2 to Starting Items Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Moved Manta Style to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Removed Iron Branch Removed Stout Shield Monkey King (Core) Added Ring of Aquila to Early Game Added Skull Basher to Core Items Moved Infused Raindrop to Situational Items Moved Orb of Venom to Situational Items Renamed Roamer Monkey King (Support) New Talent Tree: 10 (+5 Armor), 15 (+275 Health), 20 (+40 Damage), 25 (+100 Boundless Strike Crit) Renamed Roamer Bounty Hunter Created New Tab: "Extension Items - Offensive" Added Ethereal Blade to "Extension Items - Offensive" Added Aether Lens to "Extension Items - Offensive" Moved Lotus Orb to Extension Items - Defensive Moved Force Staff to Extension Items - Defensive Moved Aghanim's Scepter to "Extension Items - Offensive" Moved Dagon - Level 5 to "Extension Items - Offensive" Renamed Roamer  PudgeNew Talent Tree: 10 (+8 Strength), 15 (+5 Armor), 20 (+150 Gold/Min), 25 (+1.75 Flesh Heap Stack Str.) 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And for pl +15% cd reduction I think is better than the +8 stats. And since aghs is a priority, at lvl 10 the +75 spirit lance dmg is pretty good as well. You are already building a lot of agi items that give att speed, so +20 attack speed is not as valuable. | ||
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Now you guys are all up in here with good feedback | ||
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Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items Removed Ring of Protection Removed Stout Shield Removed Healing Salve Arc Warden New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Flux DPS), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+100 Attack Range), 25 (30% Lifesteal) Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items Moved Manta Style to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Butterfly Vengeful Spirit (Core) Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to Core Items Removed Monkey King Bar  SlarkAdded Slipper of Agility x2 to Starting Items Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Moved Iron Talon to Early Game Removed Stout Shield Removed Ring of Aquila Necrophos New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Death Pulse 2. Ghost Shroud 3. Heartstopper Aura) New Talent Tree: 10 (+40 Damage), 15 (+6 All Stats), 20 (+5% Spell Amplification), 25 (+400 Health) Created New Tab: "Core Items (Aggressive)" Added Power Treads to "Core Items (Aggressive)" Added Magic Wand to "Core Items (Aggressive)" Added Veil of Discord to "Core Items (Aggressive)" Added Shadow Blade to Situational Items Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Boots of Speed to Starting Items Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Healing Salve Removed Lotus Orb Monkey King (Core) New Skill Build: E Q E W E R E Q Q Q T R W W T W R T T (1. Jingu Mastery 2. Boundless Strike 3. Tree Dance) Added Orb of Venom to Starting Items Added Clarity to Starting Items Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items Removed Poor Man's Shield  HuskarNew Talent Tree: 11 (+3 Burning Spear DPS), 15 (15% Lifesteal), 20 (+40 Attack Speed), 25 (+500 Life Break Cast Range) Added Dragon Lance to Core Items Added Solar Crest to Situational Items Moved Heaven's Halberd to Core Items Moved Hurricane Pike to Extension Items  Axe (Core)Removed Ring of Protection  SniperAdded Monkey King Bar to Extension Items Moved Hurricane Pike to Core Items Moved Silver to Extension Items Removed Shadow Blade Removed Manta Style  ClockwerkCreated New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"  SpectreNew Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Damage), 15 (+8 All Stats), 20 (+20 Strength), 25 (+400 Health) Added Boots of Speed to Early Game Added Phase Boots to Core Items - Ganking Moved Phase Boots to Core Items (Safe Lane) Moved Vanguard to Core Items - Ganking Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Removed Enchanted Mango  LichAdded Wind Lace to Starting Items Removed Ring of Protection Removed Observer Ward Crystal Maiden New Skill Build: W E E Q E R E W W W T R Q Q T Q R T T (1. 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Crystal Nova) New Talent Tree: 11 (+60 Damage), 15 (+250 Health), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (+1.5s Frostbite Duration) Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items Removed Wind Lace  Anti-MageAdded Slippers of Agility to Starting Items Added Quelling Blade to Early Game Removed Stout Shield Removed Iron Talon Phantom LancerNew Talent Tree: 10 (+75 Spirit Lance Damage), 15 (15% Cooldown Reduction), 20 (15% Magic Resistance), 25 (+20 Strength)  MagnusNew Talent Tree: 10 (+15% Spell Amplification) , 15 (+90 Gold/Min), 20 (+15% Empower Damage/Cleave), 25 (-35s Respawn Time) Created New Tab: "Core Items (Offlane)" Added Poor Man's Shield to "Core Items (Offlane)" Added Arcane Boots to "Core Items (Offlane)" Added Blink Dagger to "Core Items (Offlane)" Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items Moved Iron Talon to "Core Items (Offlane)" Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items Removed Pipe of Insight Removed Rod of Atos ViperNew Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Damage), 15 (+16 Agility), 20 (+75 Attack Range), 25 (+20 Armor) Lina (Core)Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core Items Moved Shadow Blade to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Removed Magic Wand Removed Silver Edge Removed Eye of Skadi  SvenAdded Quelling Blade to Early Game Moved Helm of the Dominator to Situational Items Legion Commander (Jungle) New Skill Build: E W E W E R E Q W T W R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Moment of Courage 2. Press the Attack 3. Overwhelming Odds) New Talent Tree: 10 (+7 Strength), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+7 Armor), 25 (+40 Damage Duel Bonus) Added Tango to Starting Items Moved Iron Talon to Starting Items Removed Stout Shield Removed Quelling Blade Legion Commander (Core) New Skill Build: E Q W Q Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Overwhelming Odds 2. Press The Attack 3. Moment of Courage) New Talent Tree: 10 (+7 Strength), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+7 Armor), 25 (+40 Damage Duel Bonus) Created New Tab: "Starting Items (Offlane)" Added Poor Man's Shield to "Starting Items (Offlane)" Added Tango to "Starting Items (Offlane)"  SirActionSlacks (Core)Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items Nature's Prophet (Core) Nature's Prophet (Core2) Added Iron Talon to Starting Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Removed Ring of Basilius Renamed Core Faceless Void New Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Attack Speed), 15 (+25 Damage), 20 (+150 Gold/Min), 25 (20% Evasion) Added Silver Edge to Situational Items Removed Observer Ward Removed Echo Sabre Renamed Roamer  TuskAdded Hand of Midas to Situational Items Renamed Roamer Techies Added Town Portal Scroll to Starting Items Users: StudAnal, KickedRS, Scoregasm, dependontheview, lbutton, Mathmage530, CAPSLOCK_USERNAME, reddit409, bdonballer, Logo, Velzi, kozhilya, Buckyman, shadedclan, prismazure, bdonballer, bonbb, joshjayek, dracolord1221, Belisarius, aliflo_, 2xfury, definitelymyrealname, tungtran99, dannycalamity, philenc | ||
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- I suggest:to add ghost scepter in situational items. MK in teamfights relies on surviving for his ultimate to last long enough, and he usually gets smashed on by carries before it happens. Ghost Scepter allows him to move around, stun and make his ultimate valuable, Obviously, it's situational in case the enemy team is too reliant on physical damage. In this case it allows him to be really annoying and escape with Tree Dance or TP. - Assault Cuirass is a great option for late game. Provides survivability, it make your ultimate and your team deadlier. But I don't see what you could replace it with in extension. Vlads maybe? IMO, I would move Vlads to situational and add AC. Maybe kick PMS out of the items too. Offlane Clockwerk: IMO, add Midas in Core, move Force Staff to situational, BKB to extension, add Gem of True Sight to situational. Midas is a really good item for income, gives attack speed and is affordable for him. Clock is a good user of Gem as he goes first for engages and is hard to kill. Guess that's just it for now from mind. | ||
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On April 12 2017 22:01 prismazure wrote: Hey Torte, it's me back! I was thinking about a few changes. First, I think you should rename the support Earth Spirit build to roamer. Second, for Monkey King roamer, - I suggest:to add ghost scepter in situational items. MK in teamfights relies on surviving for his ultimate to last long enough, and he usually gets smashed on by carries before it happens. Ghost Scepter allows him to move around, stun and make his ultimate valuable, Obviously, it's situational in case the enemy team is too reliant on physical damage. In this case it allows him to be really annoying and escape with Tree Dance or TP. - Assault Cuirass is a great option for late game. Provides survivability, it make your ultimate and your team deadlier. But I don't see what you could replace it with in extension. Vlads maybe? IMO, I would move Vlads to situational and add AC. Maybe kick PMS out of the items too. Offlane Clockwerk: IMO, add Midas in Core, move Force Staff to situational, BKB to extension, add Gem of True Sight to situational. Midas is a really good item for income, gives attack speed and is affordable for him. Clock is a good user of Gem as he goes first for engages and is hard to kill. Guess that's just it for now from mind. Keeping ES as support because the 'roamer' title was purely used to move core 'roamers' away from the word 'support' as it wasn't an apt representation of their role. Might re-review the title to include Techies and ES. -- Haven't seen MK buy Ghost Sceptre, do you have a match to show it? -- I thought AC was a good idea but also a lost cause since your auto-attack is pretty poor unless you build into more attack speed, no? -- Midas before or after Blade Mail? I'd like to keep Force Staff as Core though. Not sure about BKB as extension, I don't see it bought a lot. Will add Gem | ||
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After either BM or Force. "Haven't seen MK buy Ghost Sceptre, do you have a match to show it?" It's highly unpopular but it's really a great item on roam MK if the enemy team has too many carries. I've had a lot of success with it. Went in Dotabuff and saw someone in 7k buy it on MK: https://dotabuff.com/matches/3115383404?guide=b6265d. It allows you to just use your ultimate and then allow it to deal damage while carries can't target you, as well as be able to do some TP/tree dance escapes if the carries can't lock you down. "I thought AC was a good idea but also a lost cause since your auto-attack is pretty poor unless you build into more attack speed, no?" AC gives attack speed and supports your team. That's an expensive item for late game, tho. Would go into extension at best. | ||
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Not sure on MK Ghost Scepter, gotta wait til its common AC just might not fit | ||
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On April 15 2017 19:29 bdonballer wrote: Change anti mage starting build to 2 slippers instead of stout. Good idea, thanks! | ||
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I agree you should consider expanding the roam title, but the titles in general are pretty weird right now. | ||
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On April 16 2017 05:29 Belisarius wrote: Not a fan of Midas clock at all. Like, at all. People are just going to tunnelvision on it and afk, on a hero who is all about making stuff happen. And if they're even slightly behind they buy it and just feed every hook because they have no bulk. I agree you should consider expanding the roam title, but the titles in general are pretty weird right now. It's been consistently bought on all levels, it's a bit hard to ignore it. | ||
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At least with prophet and old LD, you know they're going to be useless for 20 minutes no matter what, so they might as well buy Midas. Clock, on the other hand, has a ton of work to do in the phase where he's considering it, is always balls deep, and also gets his gold from surviving fights. Eh you probably can't ignore it, but I still hate it. | ||
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