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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 21 2017 20:50 GMT
#6921
Publishing
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-22 10:33:25
March 22 2017 10:32 GMT
#6922
Potential New Guides (Part 3) subject to change
Abaddon (Support)
Enchantress (Offlane)
Engima (Offlane)
Morphling (Support) - Offlane
Mirana (Support) - Roaming
Nature's Prophet (Offlane)
Necrophos (Core)
Omniknight (Core) - Offlane
Treant Protector (Offlane)
Vengeful Spirit (Core) - Safe Lane
Venomancer (Jungle)

Guides Removed (Part 3)
Ancient Apparition (Core)
Arc Warden (Core/Middle)
Bloodseeker (Offlane)
Dragon Knight (Core/Safe)
Earth Spirit (Core)
Elder Titan (Support)
Oracle (Core)
Shadow Shaman (Core)
Slark (Core/Mid)
Sniper (Core/Safe)
Troll Warlord (Offlane)
Underlord (Support)

Reddit Thread

Final List
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 22 2017 14:18 GMT
#6923
With respect to potential new guides, Jungle veno seems particularly dubious. 7.0's jungle changes made it a lot less smooth imo.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 22 2017 15:23 GMT
#6924
On March 22 2017 23:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
With respect to potential new guides, Jungle veno seems particularly dubious. 7.0's jungle changes made it a lot less smooth imo.


yeah, it's something I'll need to change quickly if it doesn't pan out - but I'm confident it will be okay, just not amazing
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-23 09:15:35
March 23 2017 08:52 GMT
#6925
After 15 days (March 7 to March 22), we have risen from 204,915,055 to 209,431,235 combined subscriptions

A difference of 4,516,180
Average Subscribers per Guide is 1,377,837.07
Growth Percentage is 2.20%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Beastmaster (Jungle) (503,501)
  2. Brewmaster (Core) (492,762)
  3. Warlock (Core) (390,115)
  4. Naga Siren (Support) (359,460)
  5. Monkey King (Core) (296,807)
  6. Monkey King (Support) (88,264)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Sven
  2. Phantom Assassin
  3. Juggernaut
  4. Lifestealer (Jungle)
  5. Faceless Void


Newly Released Guides:




    Patreon.com/Torte, this project continues to be made possible by the contributions of:

    Alfred Vogl, Pearson Mewbourne, James, Oliver Varah, Ben Lewis-Evans, Michael Carmody, Leonardo Lambertini, Scott MacDonald, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Dice, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, Benjamin Richter, RandomMaster, dsrtfx_xx, Christopher 'HYphY' Horrall, Michael Kaeser, John Naisbitt, Noah, Lowe Schmidt, Tony Heugh, James Merrill, Guitaringegg, JimmaDaRustla, Graham Bullard, Daxdiv, Mikey Kaminski, Ryan Goss, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Benjamin Miller, Kistaro Windrider, Jose Cacho, Matthew Nami, tale, LordDay, Fernandez Thomas, Paul Martindale, Liam Metzeling, George Azarias, Cornelius Pfohl, Julian Koniger, Christopher Dickson, S J, Gabriel F. Brondino, Tyler Reid, Hursha, Aaron Bell, Jason Davis, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Ramona Brown, Leon Traill, Josh Laseter, Dylan Lauritsen, Gerald Callow, Steve, Daniel Cavanagh, Genc Musliu, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster, Sebastian Rutofski

    Portions of their pledges will go to long-time community members, dedicated to providing feedback to keep this collection of hero builds accurate to current standards of play.
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 23 2017 09:09 GMT
    #6926
      This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: _saisonenenfer, Buckyman, Velzi, Sn0_Man, wuweidota400, G_Sharpe


    • 22.32% of last month's unique players [12,573,264] are subscribed to the our highest subscribed guide: Sven Guide


    • 4,516,180 in new subscriptions is the highest growth ever achieved in a 15-day period since the project's inception
    • 9,013,759 in new subscriptions is the highest growth every achieved in a 30-day period since the project's inception


    • Clinkz (2,027,017)
    • Earthshaker (2,025,078)
    • Sand King (2,012,590)
    • Slardar (2,007,791) recently hit the 2 million mark

    • Lone Druid (Core/Range) (1,009,829)
    • Visage (1,007,420)
    • Gyrocopter (Core/Ganker) (1,001,028) recently hit the 1 million mark


    • Six guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark:
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 23 2017 09:54 GMT
    #6927
    [image loading]
    I thought this was neat.

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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 23 2017 21:46 GMT
    #6928
    ok 7.04 time
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    Buckyman
    Profile Joined May 2014
    1364 Posts
    March 24 2017 04:40 GMT
    #6929
    Does the side-shop change mean we need to review the starting items of all PMS builders?
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 24 2017 11:21 GMT
    #6930
    On March 24 2017 13:40 Buckyman wrote:
    Does the side-shop change mean we need to review the starting items of all PMS builders?


    Only some like Underlord who had a choice between Stout + Quel or PMS
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    Velzi
    Profile Joined June 2012
    Finland659 Posts
    March 24 2017 11:31 GMT
    #6931
    Pretty sure u wanna take a closer look to other heroes too, for example AM starts with stout slipper tango salve and finishes PMS from the side shop which is not possible anymore.

    some others

    BS core
    Void off
    Jugger

    and list goes on
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 24 2017 15:54 GMT
    #6932
    yeah ill take a look
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2017-03-24 20:29:04
    March 24 2017 18:03 GMT
    #6933
    Applied Changes: March 24 (9:30PM CEST)

    Actual Schedule (CET)
    Day 1
    - 6:30-8:00PM Applying Changes
    - 8:00-8:30PM Tagging Titles to 7.04
    - 8:30-9:30PM Publishing Changes

    Total Elapsed Time: 3 Hours



    Total changes made: 31 approx. changes
    7 Guides applied
    145 Guides remain unchanged


    Meepo
    Moved Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items
    Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items
    Moved Iron Talon to Situational Items
    Moved Ethereal Blade to Extension Items
    Removed Quelling Blade
    Removed Ring of Protection
    Removed Tango
    Removed Dragon Lance

    Anti-Mage
    Added Boots of Speed to Early Game
    Moved Power Treads to Core Items
    Removed Helm of the Dominator

    Chaos Knight
    Added Iron Branch to Core Items
    Removed Healing Salve
    Removed Quelling Blade

    Doom (Offlane)
    New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W Q Q T Q R E E T E R T T (1. Scorched Earth 2. Devour 3. Infernal Blade)
    New Talent Tree: 11 (+80 Devour Bonus Gold) 15 (+15 Scorched Earth Damage/Heal), 20 (+25 Health Regen), 25 (+2% Infernal Blade Damage)
    Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
    Added Hand of Midas to Core Items
    Removed Iron Talon
    Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
    Removed Orb of Venom
    Removed Phase Boots

    Underlord
    New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q W Q R W W T R W E T E R T T (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura)
    Created New Tab: "Early Game"
    Added Iron Talon to "Early Game"
    Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
    Removed Poor Man's Shield

    Troll Warlord
    Added Slippers of Agility x2 to Starting Items
    Removed Stout Shield

    Nature's Prophet
    New Talent Tree: 10 (+30 Damage), 15 (+4 Treants Summoned), 20 (+35 Attack Speed), 25 (2x Treant HP/Damage)
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 24 2017 18:03 GMT
    #6934
    On March 24 2017 20:31 Velzi wrote:
    Pretty sure u wanna take a closer look to other heroes too, for example AM starts with stout slipper tango salve and finishes PMS from the side shop which is not possible anymore.

    some others

    BS core
    Void off
    Jugger

    and list goes on


    What I'm noticing for most is there is no real alternative. For AM, Void, Jugger, BS - PMS is still extremely valuable enough to justify still rely on it (just need it delivered)
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    Sn0_Man
    Profile Blog Joined October 2012
    Tebellong44238 Posts
    Last Edited: 2017-03-24 18:10:48
    March 24 2017 18:07 GMT
    #6935
    The alternate is slipper slipper 2 regen start and get pms from side shop after bounty

    While there's a hypothetical window between mid's salve and bottle or boots that you could use the courier, in practice it's too likely to intersect with mid's more critical need of the courier to actually get it delivered considering how core PMS is for most melee agi carries in lane.
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 24 2017 18:27 GMT
    #6936
    On March 25 2017 03:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
    The alternate is slipper slipper 2 regen start and get pms from side shop after bounty

    While there's a hypothetical window between mid's salve and bottle or boots that you could use the courier, in practice it's too likely to intersect with mid's more critical need of the courier to actually get it delivered considering how core PMS is for most melee agi carries in lane.


    Yes, interesting alternative.
    You can definitely run double slippers for Safe Lane (e.g: Troll), but it won't work for offlane melee heroes I believe.

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    Sn0_Man
    Profile Blog Joined October 2012
    Tebellong44238 Posts
    March 24 2017 18:35 GMT
    #6937
    obviously offlaners don't get bounty either
    LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 24 2017 18:39 GMT
    #6938
    I think that's all the changes for 7.04 (see above).

    going to go through them all (to change their numbers), see if I missed any.
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    Sn0_Man
    Profile Blog Joined October 2012
    Tebellong44238 Posts
    March 24 2017 18:46 GMT
    #6939
    Doom taking level 4 devour at 10 instead of 80 devour gold at 10 is... difficult to justify. Take the talent at 10, then max the skill at 11.
    LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2017-03-24 18:52:22
    March 24 2017 18:51 GMT
    #6940
    On March 25 2017 03:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
    Doom taking level 4 devour at 10 instead of 80 devour gold at 10 is... difficult to justify. Take the talent at 10, then max the skill at 11.


    you got it, good idea

    ill take a look at doom support (jungle) too
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