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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
March 18 2016 19:59 GMT
#5861
On March 19 2016 04:41 TheYango wrote:
That's is also why I felt the idea of labeling 4 position supports as "offlane" or "core" was terrible.

Because what do you think is actually going to happen when people see that?


I don't remember if I used these exact words, but I know that I mentioned something about being specific and I completely agree.

this is coming from my personal experience as a teacher, but if you're going to instruct a complete novice on on how to do something, you MUST assume that they know nothing and are coming in with no knowledge. if they know some of the stuff (like, "currently, support lina isn't a thing"), then they'll just move through the ez stuff quickly. on the other hand, you're also reaching out to the people that literally had no idea that supports should let their carries take farm (with the exception of needing 50g for courier, that sort of thing). furthermore, you cover your bases even more by reaching out to the players that don't read the patch notes and haven't played in over 2 years and don't know that, for instance, void as a safe laner isn't as good as he used to be.

side note, but related to the difference between experienced players and novices. skip if you could care less about bluemoon

my buddy and I run a great dual stun lane with him on lina.. before the gold changes we used to murder safelane hard carries and win many a game through sheer space creation and lane dominance. its no longer as good .. but we also have really good levels of communication and trust each other a lot. currently, I can ping a location on the map for him to ice blast and he trusts me enough that if he uses it he'll get a kill (and frequently does)..but if he wastes it I probably just misjudged it a little bit or the person knew it would come so they took a longer route to get home safely.

so hows this related? random pubbers don't play together the way that my friend and I play together. we know how to distribute farm. if I tell him that he should go for a certain build this game, he will listen. if he tells me that he thinks that this item is better than another this game, I will listen. as the person that is making a guide for new players, you're the person that they trust as the most popular guide-maker in the English dota scene. if you don't give them enough structure, as a new player, they're not gonna know what to do. and they're not gonna trust their teammates to know what to do either because they're probably equally as bad as the person using your guide lol
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 22:07:29
March 18 2016 22:06 GMT
#5862
Going to remove the "Middle" title and going to keep it as: Core/Support/Offlane/Jungle

The coming 3 months will be especially busy for me, a lot of things are changing.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-19 23:18:47
March 19 2016 23:14 GMT
#5863
Lycan (Jungle)
Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game
Moved Iron Talon to Starting Items
Moved Stout Shield to Early Game
Removed Sobi Mask
Removed Quelling Blade

Lina (Lane)
Added Courier to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward x2 to Starting Items
Added Refresher Orb to Luxury Items
Removed Octarine Core

Lina (Middle)
Added Refresher Orb to Luxury Items
Removed Octarine Core

Sniper (Lane)
Sniper (Middle)
New Skill Build: W E E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Take Aim 2. Headshot 3. Shrapnel)
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Shadow Blade to Situational Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Removed Mask of Madness
Removed Blink Dagger
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 21 2016 06:37 GMT
#5864
[image loading]


130 million achievement.

Please change the title to 130 million
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yoshipa
Profile Joined March 2016
36 Posts
March 21 2016 08:28 GMT
#5865
130 million? Wow, that's a great achievement...
The eyes have it (http://nerdds.com)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 21 2016 17:29 GMT
#5866
On March 21 2016 17:28 yoshipa wrote:
130 million? Wow, that's a great achievement...


it's pretty cool, but after 100 million, it's not as remarkable in the grand scheme of things.

Should be 140 million by end of May.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 23 2016 03:13 GMT
#5867
Some great Dota 2 Hero Build fixes not listed in changes!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 23 2016 18:45 GMT
#5868
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=175090

Updated with new errors and issues as well as some fixes (thank God)
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
March 23 2016 19:56 GMT
#5869
yeah that's gotta be a good feeling, getting all of those fixes.. how much of a time saver are these QoL improvements?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 23 2016 19:59 GMT
#5870
On March 24 2016 04:56 BluemoonSC wrote:
yeah that's gotta be a good feeling, getting all of those fixes.. how much of a time saver are these QoL improvements?


None for me personally, a user made a script that fixed in 6 months ago.
But an official fix is huge in the grand scheme of things.
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
March 23 2016 20:11 GMT
#5871
It's great in general just to see them acknowledge that the guides are important. Hopefully it bodes well for other improvements to the system.
Logo
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 23 2016 21:20 GMT
#5872
On March 24 2016 05:11 Logo wrote:
It's great in general just to see them acknowledge that the guides are important. Hopefully it bodes well for other improvements to the system.


They weren't in the patch notes, so I am not sure if it fixed itself or there was a specific effort to repair it.

A lot of more glaring/straight-up broken bugs are still in the system. Beastmaster and Invoker don't work.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-26 01:14:20
March 25 2016 21:55 GMT
#5873
I'm waiting on something both personal and in Dota before I can move forward on the next step with changes. Once it follows-through, I'll be able to accelerate changes faster and consistently without delay/intermission or foreseen halt.

On another note, Stats checkpoint on Sunday. don't expect anything special. Should be a drop from 2.9 to 2.5 million growth. This patch has also pretty much settled so hero changes and testing have thankfully slowed.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 20:54:18
March 25 2016 21:59 GMT
#5874
Lycan (Jungle)
Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game
Moved Iron Talon to Starting Items
Moved Stout Shield to Early Game
Removed Sobi Mask
Removed Quelling Blade

Lina (Lane)
Added Courier to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward x2 to Starting Items
Added Refresher Orb to Luxury Items
Removed Octarine Core

Lina (Middle)
Added Refresher Orb to Luxury Items
Removed Octarine Core

Sniper (Lane)
Sniper (Middle)
New Skill Build: W E E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Take Aim 2. Headshot 3. Shrapnel)
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Shadow Blade to Situational Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Removed Mask of Madness
Removed Blink Dagger

Undying
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items
Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items
Removed Solar Crest
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 27 2016 20:32 GMT
#5875
Publishing Changes
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
March 28 2016 00:18 GMT
#5876
Why did Sniper go back to max Take Aim at 7? Levels 3 and 4 aren't nearly as good in lane as Shrapnel, which you're prioritizing last for some reason.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-28 01:48:01
March 28 2016 01:45 GMT
#5877
I've pretty much stopped caring about the specific pre-switch builds, but I do agree with that.

Shrapnel max was the build that made sniper viable, and him being nerfed into oblivion is no reason for the crappy old pub build to make a resurgence.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 28 2016 02:02 GMT
#5878
There's an argument for a couple more ranks in Take Aim early in safe lane, since you're less likely to be in a situation where Shrapnelling the wave is a good idea and only need it to be maxed to clear stacks at level 8 or 9. Take Aim max mid is definitely wrong, though.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 28 2016 06:09 GMT
#5879
I don't have enough pub info, both in live pubs and comp. to see how Sniper is played mid.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-12 08:26:15
March 28 2016 06:38 GMT
#5880
After ~15 days (March 12 to March 27), we have risen from 128,864,694 to 131,409,589 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,544,895
Average Subscribers per Guide is 893,942.78
Growth Percentage is 1.97%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Arc Warden (Middle) (222,209)
  2. Beastmaster (Middle) (183,108)
  3. Brewmaster (Middle) (164,915)
  4. Warlock (Middle) (73,433)
  5. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (64,566)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Lifestealer (Jungle)
  2. Sven
  3. Phantom Lancer
  4. Juggernaut
  5. Bounty Hunter


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Sven (1,664,524 -> 1,706,509)
  • Spectre (124,1215 -> 1274,600)
  • Enigma (998,574 -> 1,016,592)
  • Lina (Lane) (995,772 -> 1,014,787)
  • Rubick (997,826 -> 1,014,311)
  • Outworld Devourer (940,940 -> 993,920)
  • Windranger (Middle) (545,327 -> 582,213)


Newly Released Guides:




    Patreon.com/Torte, this project continues to be made possible by the contributions of:

    Pearson Mewbourne, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Mikey Kaminski, Dice, Kevin Hutton, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, Patrick Schreck, Scott Cherington, Kitaro Windrider, Elliot Cuite, Maxime Lebled, Patrick Colton, Daniel Thackray, Moe Foster, Tobias Iskov Thomsen, Jose Cacho, Max Kemeny, Matthew Nami, Jordan Spence, Joel Absolom, tale, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, JimmaDaRustla, Kurt Freda, Slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Ramona Brown, Duncan, Alishams Hassam, Leon Traill, Josh Laseter, Alli Goss

    Portions of their pledges will go to long-time community members, dedicated to providing feedback to keep this collection of hero builds accurate to current standards of play.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
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