In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 292

On March 15 2016 06:27 Belisarius wrote:

If that's the case then I'd delete everything in categories 1-3 in my second post.
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However, would you mind explaining why you want this to be the case?

My understanding is that deleting a guide would not actually require much time compared to maintaining it, and barring system-level changes like this one, any guides we delete in future would necessarily have few subscribers and so create minimal blowback. To me it makes sense to simply remove them as the space becomes needed and their obsolescence becomes clear.

Importantly, a strategy of occasional but aggressive culling is directly at odds with this sentiment:

It is purely to avoid change and alienating users. Also in terms of messaging, I can't announce each and every little change, so to do things in large orders gives me enough to "talk about" to justify making a post.

Deleting guides takes no effort, but converting users takes time to build. Just sudden changes as a whole without the ability to message sits uneasy


We cannot know what icefrog will do. LC jungle was complete trash for several patches and you were justified in deleting it. And then along came Iron Talon, and it became a pub favourite overnight. Nobody could have predicted that.

I guarantee that at least one of the guides you delete now will end up being relevant again in future. That's just the way it goes. We can do the best we can to minimize it by being careful about what we select, but at some point the frog will screw us over, and when that happens you're going to need to be assertive in accepting the change and bringing the guide back, or risk missing the subscriber wave.

Importantly, this is far more likely to happen if you undertake periodic mass culls. If you remove things slowly you can watch the patches, see what he's buffing, and hold off on deleting eg. mid leshrac two patches before it explodes into the pro scene. If you kill things all at once every 3 years, we don't have those nuances and so we're more likely to get it wrong.

To me, aggressive deletion needs to be paired with aggressive reinstatement. That's fine if you chose to do so, but you can't afford any of this moping around lamenting how sad it is that you had to bring a guide back.

understood


I don't understand why you consider this to be the case, but it's up to you.

EDIT: to be clear, I think core veno is trash and never wanted it added, but core VS is regularly used in pro matches while core void is a relic from before the remake and core tusk is a silly pub build for a hero on the downswing of its meta cycle.

I am happy to wait and see, but it doesn't make sense to add the others and reject venge.

I don't think I completely know what Veno - Core is (is it Shadow Blade or max Q/W?). But Faceless Void and Core Tusk are both niche picks. I have never seen VS - Core though. My fear with VS - Core is how variable it is. We can hold off on all four until we see how things play out in the future

On March 15 2016 06:34 Logo wrote:
I feel like any guide that relies on Iron Talon to be viable (i.e jungle LC) should probably wait a patch or 2 before it becomes a guide. The only way I'd make an exception is the conversion of an existing guide, which I guess does apply here.