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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
August 26 2013 01:14 GMT
#481
maybe call them Consumables?

Also, I wouldn't have carries buy any of those things, and have "Midlaners" and "Gankers" (I assume these fall under position 2-3) buying Gem
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
August 26 2013 01:25 GMT
#482
Ive said it before but would like to again....thanks for these guides. So handy and trustworthy.
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
August 26 2013 03:58 GMT
#483
On August 26 2013 10:25 BoZiffer wrote:
Ive said it before but would like to again....thanks for these guides. So handy and trustworthy.

I want to echo this, I love torte guides and use them whenever possible.

However, I actually switched away from your phantom lancer build. Imo(im not that good) whereas your build maxes q and w for damage and survivability, more points should be allocated to e and r to allow for easier farming/jungling/pushing and to have a stronger midgame presence. It's possible a four protect one could make your build work optimally, but in pubs I think it cripples PL too much early mid game, so much so that he might not get to late game. What do you think?
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 26 2013 05:20 GMT
#484
On August 26 2013 10:14 Whole wrote:
maybe call them Consumables?

Also, I wouldn't have carries buy any of those things, and have "Midlaners" and "Gankers" (I assume these fall under position 2-3) buying Gem


yeah, maybe not. They're just overall explanations of their worth, so I might just skip it for anything but hard supports.

I wouldn't call them consumables as they are not implicit to their nature or intention.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 26 2013 05:22 GMT
#485
On August 26 2013 12:58 Bippzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 10:25 BoZiffer wrote:
Ive said it before but would like to again....thanks for these guides. So handy and trustworthy.

I want to echo this, I love torte guides and use them whenever possible.

However, I actually switched away from your phantom lancer build. Imo(im not that good) whereas your build maxes q and w for damage and survivability, more points should be allocated to e and r to allow for easier farming/jungling/pushing and to have a stronger midgame presence. It's possible a four protect one could make your build work optimally, but in pubs I think it cripples PL too much early mid game, so much so that he might not get to late game. What do you think?


Oh thank you very much!

The PL Build is very flexible and admittedly, I think I do 1 and 1 in E/R for jungling along with the right items. I'm not sure if I make that clear in the build description however, so I'll need to take a double-look.

The build doesn't work so handedly for me in-game, so it was on my list of things to look at, but I haven't figured out what I'll do. I believe when PL came up last time, there was a bit of back-and-forth on how to build them and I'd be up to set his ability build as something else.

Also thanks (: Please rate up any guides that do not have any stars/not enough ratings!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 26 2013 05:54 GMT
#486
Updated Obsidian's Skill Build Order:

WEWEEREQWW

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129332786
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Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
August 26 2013 07:16 GMT
#487
The only thing im gonna harp on is the phaseboots for pudge core on mid??????? Arcanes are way more core
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 26 2013 07:20 GMT
#488
Updated Phantom Lancer: Skill build is now:

WQQEQRQEEE

that means one in Doppelwalk, Max Q then Max E and get ult at respective levels. this is to push more towards jungling Phantom Lancer after 6 or so.

Added Drums as situational.

On August 26 2013 16:16 Darkren wrote:
The only thing im gonna harp on is the phaseboots for pudge core on mid??????? Arcanes are way more core


Both are equally good. I've used both while more favouring Arcane because I suck at hook. However phase overall is needed for when you chase with rot, run away after sucking with you hook and so on while arcane is a more team-play item, which; some other hero may have gotten (and isn't as necessary given you have bottle).
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28097 Posts
August 26 2013 07:42 GMT
#489
On August 26 2013 16:16 Darkren wrote:
The only thing im gonna harp on is the phaseboots for pudge core on mid??????? Arcanes are way more core

Both are fine and situational imo.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 26 2013 07:52 GMT
#490
Quite so, but I found Arcane to be more situational than Phase Boos so Arcane is currently in the situational slot while Phase is core.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 26 2013 07:52 GMT
#491
Here is Phantom Lancer's updated guide: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129093311
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28097 Posts
August 26 2013 07:53 GMT
#492
Yeah, I would agree with that.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 08:10:57
August 26 2013 08:02 GMT
#493
Perfect!

I'm looking through some of the older guides to see if any need revisions. I am at work, so the process will be slower.
I will also add a tab, called Utility Items to denote wards, dust depending on the hero's duties (support, ganker, etc). with specific situations (such as carry dust on Spirit Breaker to gank lonely farming Phantom Lancer's or heroes that flee with invisibility, etc.)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 26 2013 16:53 GMT
#494
Updated Treant Protector's ability build:

EWEQEREWWW

and then you max his invisibility.

So the strategy is to max Living Armor with one in Leech seed before six for the slow and then max the slow after maxing Living Armor.
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
August 26 2013 22:55 GMT
#495
idk i'd max Leech Seed unless you're offlane when you need the invis
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
August 26 2013 23:05 GMT
#496
Wisp currently links to Shadow Demon, just so you know.
Stay positive!
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
August 27 2013 03:52 GMT
#497
On August 26 2013 16:52 Torte de Lini wrote:
Here is Phantom Lancer's updated guide: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129093311

Thanks! I'll be eager to try it out this weekend!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 07:30:35
August 27 2013 07:30 GMT
#498
On August 27 2013 07:55 Whole wrote:
idk i'd max Leech Seed unless you're offlane when you need the invis


That was the previous build, I can't keep flip-flopping between the two and I feel Living Armor has more of an early-game contribution than Leech Seed.

On August 27 2013 08:05 remedium wrote:
Wisp currently links to Shadow Demon, just so you know.


yeah, the front page needs a redesign as a whole qq
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Baggage
Profile Joined October 2012
Hong Kong593 Posts
August 27 2013 07:59 GMT
#499
On August 27 2013 16:30 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 07:55 Whole wrote:
idk i'd max Leech Seed unless you're offlane when you need the invis


That was the previous build, I can't keep flip-flopping between the two and I feel Living Armour has more of an early-game contribution than Leech Seed.


I think he means that you max Living Armor, then max Leech Seed, then Invis.

Treant doesn't really need invisibility to offlane and he shouldn't be relying on it anyways. Living armour's utility is best by getting it maxed asap. Players at any decent level will end up buying dust/sents to kill you anyways.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
August 27 2013 08:00 GMT
#500
I believe he's not contending that Living Armor is certainly the first one you max (that goes without saying), but wondering whether you should max Leech Seed or put a few points into Nature's Guise first. It's a situational thing from game to game depending on your lane etc, but you should always have at least one point in Nature's Guise at level 4 before putting more points into Leech Seed.
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