TBH lifestealers I've seen these days go for Phase + bracer as early game, drums/midas both situational, move into armlet + basher core, then luxury is AC/Abyssal/Heart. Deso seems quite unused atm although the heaven's halbred is a good situational one for sure instead of SnY. Sange was very common but it's upgrade varied.

However, I don't think that there is a serious issue with how your guide plays out for newer players other than making midas core seems pretty risky on a hero that can be so dominant midgame but may not secure much free-farm in a pub game.

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United States6046 Posts

August 16 2013 19:03 GMT

#442

SnY is good when you're looking for early push or team fighting timings since the item falls off really quickly. When you buy the item, you should look to do something other than farm immediately. You should mention that about SnY in the guide because it is not an item to just pick up whenever you want.

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Germany38463 Posts

August 16 2013 19:11 GMT

#443

I'll indicate S&Y's intention.

Mjonllir not suggested at all?
It seems my lifestealer guide is stuck again. Currently all 98 out of 102 guides are stuck again. This cloud system is literally killing me.

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2238 Posts

August 16 2013 21:08 GMT

#444

This may be nitpicking, but it may be helpful to note in Lina's guide that the LSA is 1.6 seconds regardless of level, which is the really important part of the spell. I find it a lot more useful to level up dragon slave (1 LSA, 2 - 3 DS, 4 LSA, 5 DS, 6 LB, 7 DS) because of this reasoning, it also makes LSA less punishing when you miss when its 10-20 mana less per cast.

I would also put Ethereal Blade in the luxury items as nuking a banished target is more bang for your buck then a dagon.

nice guides and good luck on your mission!

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Germany38463 Posts

August 16 2013 21:12 GMT

#445

Thanks and I'll keep this on note when I get access to the guides again QQ

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Germany38463 Posts

August 17 2013 08:27 GMT

#446

Dragon Knight now gets his ult at 11: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128909765
Lion description improved, added Veil as situational: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128929132
Updated Lifestealer with Armlet/Basher core, Cuirass, MKB, Abyssal, Heart as extension: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128728638
Lina description updated, Ethreal Blade added as extension: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129067853

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Lalalaland34504 Posts

August 17 2013 11:15 GMT

#447

I feel like having Blink as core on Lina is a bit optimistic. As a support Lina you often won't be able to afford it and should skip it for Drums/Euls/Force Staff. It fits better as a luxurious item, imo.

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Germany38463 Posts

August 17 2013 11:24 GMT

#448

I was considering of moving it, but I also have it set on Lion. So I'm debating its worth and whether I'm gearing too much towards newbies or it truly is not wroth it

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Lalalaland34504 Posts

August 17 2013 11:25 GMT

#449

The same thing applies to Lion as well, to be honest. Even advanced players will often have to forgo Blink and get smaller items.

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Germany38463 Posts

August 17 2013 11:37 GMT

#450

Rubick changed as Lane instead of middle: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128927319
Lion: swapped Blink Dagger to Force Staff in core, Blink now situational: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128929132

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34504 Posts

August 17 2013 11:40 GMT

#451

Should definitely include Courier and wards in starting items if you're making your Rubick guide a support guide. Should also add notes to the spells saying that it's sometimes worth leaving Telekinesis at level 2 and maxing Null Field earlier if you're against a magic heavy teamfight line up.

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Germany38463 Posts

August 17 2013 11:41 GMT

#452

done

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Germany38463 Posts

August 17 2013 11:45 GMT

#453

Re-added Eth blade on Lina (it didn't save for some reason), swapped Blink to Situational and added Drums, Force and Eul's: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129067853
Added Platemail as core on Timbersaw after Bloodstone with the indication that it should be the first item to build on him before going Shiva's Guard: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129105276

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Lalalaland34504 Posts

August 17 2013 11:47 GMT

#454

Your Lina skill build is rather weird. LSA should be gotten at level 1 for the stun, but after that Dragon Slave should receive priority over it because DS's damage is guaranteed, unlike LSA. It really should be WQQWQRQWW.

edit: You even mention this in the spell notes

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Germany38463 Posts

August 17 2013 11:50 GMT

#455

On August 17 2013 20:47 Firebolt145 wrote:
Your Lina skill build is rather weird. LSA should be gotten at level 1 for the stun, but after that Dragon Slave should receive priority over it because DS's damage is guaranteed, unlike LSA. It really should be WQQWQRQWW.

edit: You even mention this in the spell notes

I see the error, thanks

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Germany38463 Posts

August 17 2013 12:11 GMT

#456

Added Urn as situational for EarthShaker: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129137630
Moved Shiva's Guard to situational, added MKB as situational on Storm Spirit, added Skadi as extension, Treads now on core and Arcane as situational with Bloodstone: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129143802

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34504 Posts

August 17 2013 12:15 GMT

#457

I still feel Shiva's warrants a 'situational item'. You should also add MKB to situational for when Storm needs to do more physical damage.

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Germany38463 Posts

August 17 2013 12:17 GMT

#458

Both will be situational which is good because he needed more items there

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Lalalaland34504 Posts

August 17 2013 12:26 GMT

#459

You should add an explanation behind your core items, because you currently have both Arcanes and Treads on there with no reasoning behind it. Basically you want Treads if you're going fast Orchids, and Arcanes if you're planning to disassemble them into Bloodstone.

If you absolutely need a cookie cutter build and want to avoid too many choices then I'd put Treads -> Orchids as core.

Also Magic Wand pretty important on Storm.