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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
July 31 2013 06:00 GMT
#421
Oh torte, idk when I posted and when I edited (I thought I just posted it, but apparently I was just editing it), but go look at that last post I just made for suggestions I made about items on the Chen guide. There is a few improvements I believe you could make.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-31 06:03:21
July 31 2013 06:01 GMT
#422
You asked for ROB because of the needed mana and it helps you build into vlads.

I didn't see much else.

Also, if you want some extra feedback: I suggest taking out Shiva's Guard from the item list entirely. Chen is never in the middle of a fight to make use of the active, and typically you'll want to be so far back that even the aura won't reach some of the enemies. This is actually a completely bad item for Chen. I also recommend putting Ult Scepter to extension. Chen players shouldn't want to rush Ult Scepter after Mek every game, which is what having it in core suggests. It is a very good item and is worth it if you can manage to farm it up, but it shouldn't be regarded as core.

I would take out Eul's and Rod of Atos from situational. After a Ring of Basilius, Chen won't have mana issues by the time he would get either of those. Chen also won't need the health from Atos or the movement speed from Eul's because you're just so far back in the fight anyway. The actives are pretty pointless and have no special synergy with Chen either. In it's place, you should add Force Staff because Force Staff's active is actually good enough to justify buying it regardless of stats. While Chen doesn't need any special positioning, it's a lot better for getting away from a melee carry, can be used to help allies, and can disrupt positioning of enemies, while Eul's and Atos are severely limited in their actives. And you should add Ghost Scepter as situational as it is always good against carries who are targeting you.

Personally, I would take off Necronomicon off the item list as well because it has no special synergy with Chen other than "moar creeps." And since these guides are targeted towards newer players, you cannot expect them to micro 5 creeps and the hero...and Necrobook actually requires micro to make it worth its gold. Also, if it is ever actually needed (rather than just, oh hey, I want a necro book), someone with more farm will typically get it.


Let me read this off.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 31 2013 06:01 GMT
#423
On July 31 2013 14:54 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 14:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
I just found two levels in Test of Faith before 6 to be not as useful as one in Penitence for the slow, even if minor.
Though, I'm not an avid Chen user.

So I guess the guide is still valid, thanks!

Let's put it this way - I've never seen a pro Chen put a point in penitence at level 3.

(edit just saw the post above you, so uhhhh...)
(uhhhhh)



that's what I thought, so now im not sure.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
July 31 2013 06:08 GMT
#424
On July 31 2013 15:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 14:54 Comeh wrote:
On July 31 2013 14:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
I just found two levels in Test of Faith before 6 to be not as useful as one in Penitence for the slow, even if minor.
Though, I'm not an avid Chen user.

So I guess the guide is still valid, thanks!

Let's put it this way - I've never seen a pro Chen put a point in penitence at level 3.

(edit just saw the post above you, so uhhhh...)
(uhhhhh)



that's what I thought, so now im not sure.

I like the skillbuild you have, I think its the standard and best one.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 31 2013 06:12 GMT
#425
Noted, I'll update Chen's itembuild, necrobook helps with pushing and damage especially with the jungle creep buffs.
I'll add in Force staff and ghost scepter as well. Atos will be removed and Im not sure about Euls

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 31 2013 14:23 GMT
#426
Lifestealer currently OOC.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-31 15:53:31
July 31 2013 15:53 GMT
#427
Just hit over 1.75 million subscriptions! 1831578, thanks to all of you (and reddit) who have helped and contributed and making me seem smarter than who I really am!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 31 2013 16:06 GMT
#428
On August 01 2013 00:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
Just hit over 1.75 million subscriptions! 1831578, thanks to all of you (and reddit) who have helped and contributed and making me seem smarter than who I really am!

Gratz sir. I try to sub to all of them, but the process is really time consuming, but worth it when the guides bug out. If only there was a system to sub to you in general and all guides you create, but that is likely something Valve will add later.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 31 2013 16:15 GMT
#429
Yeah, I gave some suggestions to a Valve dev, but I dunno if he'll do it ):

The direct links are found on the first page.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 31 2013 22:40 GMT
#430
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Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
July 31 2013 22:43 GMT
#431
Oh man. The nature's prophet guides have started working in client finally? When did that happen?
The Innocent shall suffer... big time.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 31 2013 22:45 GMT
#432
Yesterday, a Valve developper has been especially look at my case.

He's going to see if he can implement two more small changes and then I think fix the last of teh issues.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 08:13:39
August 01 2013 08:13 GMT
#433
Disruptor Guide updated (removed bottle from early game, added Urn in situational, moved Force Staff to Extension, describe importance of Eul's text)

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128871463
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 03 2013 17:59 GMT
#434
Updated wand placements in build order, improved descriptions
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 18:47:51
August 03 2013 18:28 GMT
#435
Added Veil (Extension) + Ghost Scepter (Situational) on Pugna: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128899869
Removed Magic Wand on Warlock
Added Veil (Situational) on Leshrac: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128895761
Moved Halberd to Situational + Added MKB (Extension) on Skeleton King: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128914193
Removed Magic Wand + Moved Stout Shield to Situational on Chaos Knight: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128918471
Moved Eul's Scepter to Extension on Shadow Demon: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128937771
Removed Magic Wand on Anti-Mage
Removed Magic Wand on Slark (Lane)
Removed Manta Style + Added Heart (Extension) + Removed Magic Wand on Tiny (Middle): http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129064094
Removed Blood Stone + Added Veil on Lina: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129067853
Removed Magic Wand on Sven
Removed Magic Wand on Shadow Shaman (Middle)
Added Magic Wand on Doom (Lane)
Added Magic Wand on Abaddon
Removed Magic Wand on Tiny (Lane)
Removed Magic Wand on Elder Titan (Middle)
Removed Magic Wand on Skywrath Mage
Added Magic Wand on Spirit Breaker
Added Magic Wand on Warlock


To do: Nyx Lane
Shadow Shama Lane
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 03:17:13
August 05 2013 03:16 GMT
#436
Moved BloodStone to situational on Storm Spirit, Added Linken's, moved Orchid to core: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129143802
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 07 2013 13:34 GMT
#437
Looking to update Lifestealer with Phase Boots and S&Y situational
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Sagamantha
Profile Joined September 2011
United States339 Posts
August 16 2013 07:45 GMT
#438
DK needs his level build switched. Ult at 11 is now viable..
trueCOMEHfan [16:21] <Qbek> hey sagamama [16:21] <Qbek> you ain;t targe bad
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 16 2013 18:46 GMT
#439
Yes, you are right.
Currently the guides are all desynced due to persisting problems.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 16 2013 18:55 GMT
#440
Lifestealer updated, I am not sure how to situate S&Y, so I slotted it as situational with Mjonllir now Situational and Cuirass as Extension after hyperstone and basher:

Phase boots now core on him (instead of treads). http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128728638
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