EPTI can help with that if you'd like.
Edit - Hell, even the lane one is really odd.
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Comeh
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I can help with that if you'd like. Edit - Hell, even the lane one is really odd. | ||
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But a dev. just contacted me (: so I think we're going to make some headway. I mainly need help with these heroes: | ||
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On July 19 2013 06:29 Comeh wrote: You said you need help with your DK build? I can help with that if you'd like. Edit - Hell, even the lane one is really odd. A lot of the builds are pre Aghanim's buff, so they're a bit dated and could use a new revision ): | ||
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Comeh
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If you are suggesting a Yasha, I would say just full out suggest going Manta, but if you aren't suggesting yasha, AC seems like a reasonable suggestion. The main idea is that AC isn't good for some reason - personally I think its okay for the main reasons: -Tiny has terrible armor problems, particularly against BKB heroes. -Tiny has obvious AS problems Going Manta after Scepter still leaves the void of horrible armor (I've literally lost games because of not having enough armor), and a lot of people suggest getting Butterfly - which is great on this hero - but the problem is the timing. Butterfly is a 6k gold item with a 3.2k gold component, and it feel really awkward building this item after Scepter as it has a less friendly buildup than an AC, obvious truestrike issues aside. A major complaint about AC is how it doesn't give enough damage, but keep in mind that butterfly only gives 30 damage to tiny and 60AS, while AC gives -5 armor and 55AS. I think its a toss up, but I favor AC. On July 19 2013 06:33 Torte de Lini wrote: A lot of the builds are pre Aghanim's buff, so they're a bit dated and could use a new revision ): To be fair, most of the agh's changes of the last patch didn't change much, but maybe made Agh's situational or luxury for a few heroes. | ||
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AC under situational seems ok | ||
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superstartran
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On July 19 2013 06:20 Skamtet wrote: replace heart with satanic, cuirass is still a poor item imo for position 1 tiny for the reasons ive stated before and yango filled in a bit there regarding how cleave works. at best put it in situational imo. a full manta is so much better than cuirass in pretty much every situation It depends on how many times you're getting hit. AC is excellent you're getting targetted alot by phys dmg carries. Without armor, heroes like Slardar would murder you. | ||
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craggy exterior procs even if the hit is evaded, makes butter even better other than that it looks rock solid  | ||
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Chaosquo
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I also agree that Aghs is not that useful, if you cant win a teamfight with 1 target doomed for 15 s than you did something wrong. Refresher is a better option if you want to go that route. Bloodstone is only really justified on 3 heroes imo: Lesh, Storm and Timber, other heroes work with plain mana regen items. If you want to go carry lina, you can look into dps items, because she gets a lot of AS with her passive. Also, the range upgrade of Aghs laguna is really good, and it gives some useful stats (compared to dagon). | ||
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On July 23 2013 20:34 Chaosquo wrote: I think quelling blade is a must for jungle doom, so perhaps starting items qb, shield and salve. I dont think you should get a casual basi, either rush the midas or go for tranquils, depending on your early game. For jungling, the wildkin and troll warlord are both also very good, but you either have to stack camps or ferry clarities for that to work. Late game I think you need either AC or Shiva, depending on the team composition. I also agree that Aghs is not that useful, if you cant win a teamfight with 1 target doomed for 15 s than you did something wrong. Refresher is a better option if you want to go that route. Bloodstone is only really justified on 3 heroes imo: Lesh, Storm and Timber, other heroes work with plain mana regen items. If you want to go carry lina, you can look into dps items, because she gets a lot of AS with her passive. Also, the range upgrade of Aghs laguna is really good, and it gives some useful stats (compared to dagon). The problem is that the other items are even more important. Quelling blade is really good, but the aura from the dog or satyr (with regen) help compensate the lack of extra creep dmg. You need Basi for the regen to keep up with your Q and W cooldowns, especially if you can't get those auras to keep you afloat. Lina's build is a bit outdated, so I'll take a look, but I believe Aghs isn't bought on her because the cost for the improved damage is less than going dagon (unlike Lion) | ||
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Chaosquo
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On July 23 2013 23:15 Torte de Lini wrote: The problem is that the other items are even more important. Quelling blade is really good, but the aura from the dog or satyr (with regen) help compensate the lack of extra creep dmg. You need Basi for the regen to keep up with your Q and W cooldowns, especially if you can't get those auras to keep you afloat. Lina's build is a bit outdated, so I'll take a look, but I believe Aghs isn't bought on her because the cost for the improved damage is less than going dagon (unlike Lion) I only use W sparingly, so I dont really run out of mana. Id rather even go back to heal when i have low hp and mp. I havent tried your method, but I can get a 7 min midas if my creep luck is decent. Pure damage wise Aghs is worse than Dagon, but I believe that the utility of the 300 extra range and additional 390 hp is worth it. | ||
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Rayeth
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I personally haven't found Shiva's to be too useful on him, but then again I'm nearly always going for heart if I have the luxury gold lying around. | ||
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On July 24 2013 00:42 Chaosquo wrote: I only use W sparingly, so I dont really run out of mana. Id rather even go back to heal when i have low hp and mp. I havent tried your method, but I can get a 7 min midas if my creep luck is decent. Pure damage wise Aghs is worse than Dagon, but I believe that the utility of the 300 extra range and additional 390 hp is worth it. Takes me about the same amount of time, maybe 7:40 if I have some bad creep spawns. I could see Quelling Blade being pretty good if I learn to choke camps, but I'm not sure, we'd need a third opinion! Lina needs to be closer for her stun regardless no? | ||
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On July 24 2013 00:54 Rayeth wrote: I think for your build for Abaddon is just about right. The levels are nearly exactly how I play him. Sometimes I pick up Mist Coil @ lvl 1 if the lane is looking for first blood, but generally your build is spot on. Mek and Vlads are his core for sure. I nearly always end up getting the Mek for the team and with his ult making him so tough to kill you nearly always have it there for your teammates. I personally haven't found Shiva's to be too useful on him, but then again I'm nearly always going for heart if I have the luxury gold lying around. Thank you, TL Gen. Discussion helped me revise it twice. There is no particular order for extension items, they're all pretty good regardless (: Thank you for the feedback! | ||
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Updated medusa | ||
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