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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2013 04:13 GMT
#321
thnaks (:
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2013 12:25 GMT
#322
Need to Dragon Knight
Need to Naga Siren
Need to Phantom Assassin
Need to Alchemist Ancients Build
Need to Medusa Ancients Build
Need to Batrider Jungle Build
Need to Treant Protector Jungle Build
Need to Ursa Warrior Lane Build
Need to Axe Jungle Build
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Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 13:23:41
July 11 2013 13:16 GMT
#323
I've never actually played ancient alch in a real game, but I tried it a couple time in bot games when i was bored.
You start with clarity/sage mask/soul ring recipe and rush the soul ring, stack the first time with acid spray and try to get a couple of hit on their way back to ensure that you can get you soul ring soon enough.
Then you just use acid spray every x.51 being careful to place it in such a way that the ancient stay in the acid as long as possible.
For the skill build i would alternate acid and stun. I don't think getting grevils greed is worth it, you're not killing enough creeps to really make use of it, and if you don't level up your stun it means that you are really going to let your team 4v5 for way too long.
So basically what i was doing in these bot game was rush a shadowblade/brow boots, you get it relatively fast (i don't remember exactly the time i get it and i can't test it right now unfortunately), and it allows you to gank and help your team as you have a lot of burst with acid/sb/stun.
As i said, i never was in a position to use it in a real game but it think it would work better than getting radiance, which means that you have to farm for 10 more min before you can really fight. Of course if you plan on going radiance you should get greevil's greed before stun while your jungling ancient.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2013 14:14 GMT
#324
I tried the Alchemist build ancients that I found on Playdota and I couldn't get it to work whatsoever. The timing must be off, but the gold projected was not something I was even near when I tried this.
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Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
July 11 2013 14:27 GMT
#325
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 14:33:18
July 11 2013 14:27 GMT
#326
Ancients Alch is extremely slow, maybe 8 minute midas if you sell your soul ring. Probably would speed up a bit if you try to take it longer since you are left with a pretty big stack afterwards. I don't see the point of it, if you really are concerned about being useless early game, staying out of the lane for 10 minutes for bad farm isn't how I imagine making a contribution to be.

Support Alchemist and Mid Alchemist probably do deserve a mention, and I would say shadow blade is core
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2013 15:22 GMT
#327
On July 11 2013 23:27 Kontys wrote:
Created by TorteDeLini (muted)
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I just default it to that because Im too lazy to cxhange it
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Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
July 11 2013 15:31 GMT
#328
On July 11 2013 23:27 LSB wrote:
Ancients Alch is extremely slow, maybe 8 minute midas if you sell your soul ring. Probably would speed up a bit if you try to take it longer since you are left with a pretty big stack afterwards. I don't see the point of it, if you really are concerned about being useless early game, staying out of the lane for 10 minutes for bad farm isn't how I imagine making a contribution to be.

Support Alchemist and Mid Alchemist probably do deserve a mention, and I would say shadow blade is core

Yeah it's not good farm by any means, it's just something that you can do if you end up in a pub game and have absolutely no way to farm decently in lane.
There is a reason i've never actually done ancient alch in a real game, it's terrible most of the time but if you have to do it i think it's safe to say that you are not playing with a coordinated team, so you can't rely on them to 4v5 for too long that's why i think it's better to level stun and get shadowblade if you're going to do that.
Overall i don't really think putting a guide for that is really a good idea i agree.
LazyFailKid
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada750 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 15:44:34
July 11 2013 15:41 GMT
#329

For those that can't do it
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 11 2013 15:51 GMT
#330
Enjoying the builds and I am glad someone is putting in the time. I wish I could just subscribe to all of them at, so they would just be on tap when I use a champion. But I will go through and put in the time to sub to each one.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 15:56:31
July 11 2013 15:53 GMT
#331
I don't know how to make a collection for these guides, I don't think it is possible unfortunately.

I am still actively updating them, I just updated Axe, but it needs to save.

You can subscribe directly to the guides by checking them in the steam community page and clikcing subscribe: http://steamcommunity.com/id/0825771/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&570=&p=11
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2013 15:56 GMT
#332
[image loading]

I get a lot of this too.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 11 2013 20:37 GMT
#333
On July 12 2013 00:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't know how to make a collection for these guides, I don't think it is possible unfortunately.

I am still actively updating them, I just updated Axe, but it needs to save.

You can subscribe directly to the guides by checking them in the steam community page and clikcing subscribe: http://steamcommunity.com/id/0825771/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&570=&p=11

If should be noted that if you subscribe to them, they don't have to load when you go into game, so you can use the guide right off the bat. It is one of the better features in the guide system.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 12 2013 03:27 GMT
#334
selecting a hero and not picking him makes the guides load.

Guides load as you are waiting to get in-game (when the timer runs out)
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Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
July 12 2013 15:38 GMT
#335
So if you still want to do an ancient alch guide, by stacking the first stack manually and stacking with acid spray after that i get 11min30 shadowblade/soulring/brown boots (it's shit farm compared to lane, but you should be able to get some kills with stun/acid/sb.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 13 2013 05:29 GMT
#336
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=159698040 -- Abaddon guide draft up
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 15 2013 21:38 GMT
#337
Revised abaddon to have his passive at 4
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Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
July 16 2013 00:21 GMT
#338
an early level of frostmourne is pretty awful though
In Mushi we trust
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 16 2013 00:26 GMT
#339
It depends. It can be situationally ok with/against certain heroes.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 00:38:27
July 16 2013 00:36 GMT
#340
My experience is that the mana cost for the heal is at a constant and the scale is only 25, if you're active with the shield, you may not have the mana for it (if we're going arcane boots as suggested in the guide and especially if you're offlaning). The 25 difference in heal can be good, but one level in frostmourne has some justifications if you're roaming a bit and/or want to use it to run away from foes (attack once, flee at 15% more speed)
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