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Twitch cant handle 60fps anymore?

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Avean
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway449 Posts
April 28 2014 16:17 GMT
#1
Ive seen several streams that are running at 60fps but i can clearly see that is not the case in the video beeing streamed. I tried myself to see how my 60fps stream would look like, also choppy like 30fps. I set to local recording and the video is supersmooth.

Look at ANY 60fps streams on http://www.hitbox.tv and see how amazing it looks, its also running on a flash player. So whats the issue with Twitch? Watching a 60fps stream is 10x more nicer to your eyes.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20328 Posts
April 28 2014 16:52 GMT
#2
Flash player + twitch + firefox doesn't give me smooth video but google chrome works much better

not sure what's up there
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
April 28 2014 21:06 GMT
#3
Twitch isn't optimized too well and other streaming services might look better. But different browsers will have different results. And going through livestreamer to VLC works good too.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20328 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 22:08:07
April 28 2014 22:06 GMT
#4
I think it's just an issue with the player, because the same stream received from twitch to other sources is completely fine
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
April 29 2014 03:18 GMT
#5
Firefox and Flash hate each other, so many issues.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
April 29 2014 09:07 GMT
#6
I can really see the difference when I watch a Dailymotion stream compared to a twitch stream, the DM stream is just so much smoother.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Imagine42
Profile Joined July 2012
United States73 Posts
April 29 2014 18:15 GMT
#7
It also depends on what resolution someone is streaming at, and what bitrate they're at. FPS is far from being the only thing that matters.
Avean
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway449 Posts
April 29 2014 18:29 GMT
#8
On April 30 2014 03:15 Imagine42 wrote:
It also depends on what resolution someone is streaming at, and what bitrate they're at. FPS is far from being the only thing that matters.


Resolution and bitrate only leads to a certain image quality. The motion of the scene should be rendered at 60fps whatever bitrate and resolution you have as long as 60fps is getting sent to the stream. You can do a local recording and see its amazingly smooth, but as soon as you play through the Twitch player its bad. Its not flash either as hitbox.tv is using flash as well, not an issue there.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20328 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 20:05:31
April 29 2014 19:59 GMT
#9
On April 30 2014 03:29 Avean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 03:15 Imagine42 wrote:
It also depends on what resolution someone is streaming at, and what bitrate they're at. FPS is far from being the only thing that matters.


Resolution and bitrate only leads to a certain image quality. The motion of the scene should be rendered at 60fps whatever bitrate and resolution you have as long as 60fps is getting sent to the stream. You can do a local recording and see its amazingly smooth, but as soon as you play through the Twitch player its bad. Its not flash either as hitbox.tv is using flash as well, not an issue there.


Indeed, i just avoid Firefox for watching videos now. Google chrome html5 player for youtube is butter smooth by comparison and default flash player there doesn't seem terrible. Since i get MASSIVE issues with video fludity using firefox+flash on both Twitch and Youtube, i didn't even bother checking dailymotion (it's not a twitch specific issue, but happens on at least several of the largest video providers)

1/8'th second pauses like 50 times a minute have no place in 30fps video, hell 30fps video is annoying enough when it's an enforced upper limit
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 21:59:22
April 29 2014 21:57 GMT
#10
I use an addon that puts "open with chrome" and "open with IE" into the context menu for links and for the page itself.

For Firefox itself, something that might be interesting is enabling "off main thread compositing" to make its graphics rendering less choppy when it's working on stuff in the background. That's an experimental feature and one of the first results of the work done to get multi-threading at some point in the future.

To switch it on, at least on Firefox 29 (which you can update to today through Help menu -> About), you open about:config and search for this setting:

layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled

Switch it over to "true".

If it starts crashing a lot, you'll have to switch it back.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20328 Posts
April 29 2014 22:17 GMT
#11
If it starts crashing a lot, you'll have to switch it back.


You mean like it does anyway on any recent nvidia gpu drivers? x3
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 22:27:57
April 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#12
I checked again and I have all this on "true" in about:config:

layers.acceleration.force-enabled
layers.offmainthreadcomposition.async-animations
layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
layers.offmainthreadcomposition.testing.enabled

There's definitely bugs here and there when enabling all of that. The right-click menu in about:config doesn't work right for example.

EDIT: and things still don't run great so don't expect much
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20328 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 23:32:48
April 29 2014 23:28 GMT
#13
Tried a few things, did that first tweak etc. Seems to run good with new firefox version and reinstalled flash player with hardware acceleration off, but it's still flash player. I think i'm just waiting for a new web video standard that is actually used.

It's unpleasant enough going from watching vids at 60fps (or even 120/144 in my case) on desktop butter smooth, to 30fps, even if it works perfectly, it's hardly suited for high motion or very fast stuff (FPS, osu etc)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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