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My brother's new pc with intel i5 11400 is instantly hitting 100C on prime95 or aida64 (with all cpu relevant options selected) using the stock cooler.
I've set max processor to 99% in power plan to stop it from going turbo mode for now. Should I worry about it or leave it at 100% ?
It came pre-assembled, should I take it apart to check if cooler is properly mounted with proper thermal paste? Or is this expected from this cpu and the stock cooler and I should get an aftermarket cooler?
Another quick question, I'm planning to buy a second hand gpu (gtx 980). Are 3dmark benchmarks on the net correct? I've heard that they were fake before, uploaded using better cards and tricking the software to think it's a lower card, but I don't know if it's correct. It's 4500~ points on timespy for 980.
On June 06 2021 10:04 mantequilla wrote: My brother's new pc with intel i5 11400 is instantly hitting 100C on prime95 or aida64 (with all cpu relevant options selected) using the stock cooler.
I've set max processor to 99% in power plan to stop it from going turbo mode for now. Should I worry about it or leave it at 100% ?
It came pre-assembled, should I take it apart to check if cooler is properly mounted with proper thermal paste? Or is this expected from this cpu and the stock cooler and I should get an aftermarket cooler?
Another quick question, I'm planning to buy a second hand gpu (gtx 980). Are 3dmark benchmarks on the net correct? I've heard that they were fake before, uploaded using better cards and tricking the software to think it's a lower card, but I don't know if it's correct. It's 4500~ points on timespy for 980.
That almost certainly means that the cooler is not properly mounted. Are the temp curves very jumpy? That would also hint to this. If a cooler is properly mounted, the temp curves are usually pretty smooth, slowly rising and slowly sinking again (because the whole cooler is hot or cold, which means that it has more temperature-inertia.)
On June 06 2021 10:04 mantequilla wrote: My brother's new pc with intel i5 11400 is instantly hitting 100C on prime95 or aida64 (with all cpu relevant options selected) using the stock cooler.
I've set max processor to 99% in power plan to stop it from going turbo mode for now. Should I worry about it or leave it at 100% ?
It came pre-assembled, should I take it apart to check if cooler is properly mounted with proper thermal paste? Or is this expected from this cpu and the stock cooler and I should get an aftermarket cooler?
Another quick question, I'm planning to buy a second hand gpu (gtx 980). Are 3dmark benchmarks on the net correct? I've heard that they were fake before, uploaded using better cards and tricking the software to think it's a lower card, but I don't know if it's correct. It's 4500~ points on timespy for 980.
That almost certainly means that the cooler is not properly mounted. Are the temp curves very jumpy? That would also hint to this. If a cooler is properly mounted, the temp curves are usually pretty smooth, slowly rising and slowly sinking again (because the whole cooler is hot or cold, which means that it has more temperature-inertia.)
I saw people on the net talking about a "remove power restriction" setting in bios for i5 11400. I turned it off, afaik it's for people with good cpu coolers to get better performance. Now temps stay at 85-90's during benchmarks but it seems I lose 15-30% (not sure) performance.
Another question, I couldn't find any manuals regarding this case VENTO Mars VG04F. It seems like a local brand. Thing is I couldn't figure out how to take out the 3.5'' HDD under the PSU shroud. There's a screw on the side holding it loosely, but it's in such a tight space I can't get a screwdriver in there. Only option seems to be is take out the front panel and run a screwdriver through fan blades. Did you see any HDD placement like this? If it has another screw symmetrical to this, it will be impossible to take out without disassembling the whole pc since all the extra cables are tucked in there.
Taking out the front panel seems hard too, since 4 pins connecting it to the case are in weird places to push out.
I saw people on the net talking about a "remove power restriction" setting in bios for i5 11400. I turned it off, afaik it's for people with good cpu coolers to get better performance. Now temps stay at 85-90's during benchmarks but it seems I lose 15-30% (not sure) performance.
Ah yeah that's a big issue. The intel specification is so ambiguous about the performance of the CPU that some motherboards have up to 50% more performance than others while both of them are in spec and that massively affects the temperatures as well, i can see why it may be an issue with the stock cooler.
Hardware Unboxed did a handful of videos on it.
Big part of why i pretty much exclusively recommend zen3 CPU to people who aren't enthusiasts now
I just removed PSU, front panel and front fan to remove a hdd. Disk is screwed on two sides, one screw is in front of the PSU under the shroud between all those extra cables. Other is only accessible after removing front panel and front fan.
I don't know how can I put it back without disconnecting everything.
I saw people on the net talking about a "remove power restriction" setting in bios for i5 11400. I turned it off, afaik it's for people with good cpu coolers to get better performance. Now temps stay at 85-90's during benchmarks but it seems I lose 15-30% (not sure) performance.
Ah yeah that's a big issue. The intel specification is so ambiguous about the performance of the CPU that some motherboards have up to 50% more performance than others while both of them are in spec and that massively affects the temperatures as well, i can see why it may be an issue with the stock cooler.
The fastest OC'd CPU depending on the game can be the 10900k, 11900k or 5800x/5950x, but the two Intel gens are much more reliant on particular expensive motherboards/RAM and an experienced hand to tune them as they're extremely memory-bound in games. The best value can be CPU's like the 11400 sometimes.
There is this card for 1607 euro from a local shop: AMD PowerColor Red Devil Radeon RX 6900 XT 16GB GDDR6 Sadly it's not what I need, but price seems as close to MSRP as possible.
That's pretty brutal for pricing but that's the way things are now I guess.
3070 TI reviews are out and honestly, reviews are a helluva lot more negative than I was expecting. Yeah performance isn't improved over 3070 practically speaking, but the LHR might make it more attainable, and lowering demand is a stepping stone to MSRP pricing.
Edit: yeah getting a 3070/3080 are "better" at MSRP, but the chances of getting one of those is quite low.
On June 10 2021 02:23 Lmui wrote: That's pretty brutal for pricing but that's the way things are now I guess.
3070 TI reviews are out and honestly, reviews are a helluva lot more negative than I was expecting. Yeah performance isn't improved over 3070 practically speaking, but the LHR might make it more attainable, and lowering demand is a stepping stone to MSRP pricing.
Edit: yeah getting a 3070/3080 are "better" at MSRP, but the chances of getting one of those is quite low.
What surprises me the most is a lot of PC shops are scalping too. For example, another local shop sells MSI RTX 3080 Ti for about 2300 euros. I think it should be more like 1800 euros or even less? I don't think 3080 Ti and 3070 Ti will improve things a lot, 3080 Ti cards are still out of stock right now on Amazon where they have normal prices. Then, you have in stock but crazy prices.
Yeah... I guessed last year that we'd see some GPUs in stock by March, but the whole silicon shortage+crypto boom thing kinda took the legs out from under it.
Similar situation for anything else in high demand during the pandemic, lumber, bikes (prices went up 15-20% in most cases, and still completely sold out). I'm optimistic that it'll sort itself out in the next couple months but I'm not hopeful.
As an example, I ordered a new work laptop in March. At that point in time, it was a 120 day lead time (Which I expect them to miss, and deliver in august-sept). They've taken the laptop out of the catalog, and the remaining laptop options have a 180 day lead time.
The shortages aren't ending any time soon it seems, since everyone's inventory levels are zero'd out, and just running on just-in-time at best.
On June 10 2021 02:23 Lmui wrote: That's pretty brutal for pricing but that's the way things are now I guess.
3070 TI reviews are out and honestly, reviews are a helluva lot more negative than I was expecting. Yeah performance isn't improved over 3070 practically speaking, but the LHR might make it more attainable, and lowering demand is a stepping stone to MSRP pricing.
Edit: yeah getting a 3070/3080 are "better" at MSRP, but the chances of getting one of those is quite low.
What surprises me the most is a lot of PC shops are scalping too. For example, another local shop sells MSI RTX 3080 Ti for about 2300 euros. I think it should be more like 1800 euros or even less? I don't think 3080 Ti and 3070 Ti will improve things a lot, 3080 Ti cards are still out of stock right now on Amazon where they have normal prices. Then, you have in stock but crazy prices.
On June 10 2021 02:23 Lmui wrote: That's pretty brutal for pricing but that's the way things are now I guess.
3070 TI reviews are out and honestly, reviews are a helluva lot more negative than I was expecting. Yeah performance isn't improved over 3070 practically speaking, but the LHR might make it more attainable, and lowering demand is a stepping stone to MSRP pricing.
Edit: yeah getting a 3070/3080 are "better" at MSRP, but the chances of getting one of those is quite low.
What surprises me the most is a lot of PC shops are scalping too. For example, another local shop sells MSI RTX 3080 Ti for about 2300 euros. I think it should be more like 1800 euros or even less? I don't think 3080 Ti and 3070 Ti will improve things a lot, 3080 Ti cards are still out of stock right now on Amazon where they have normal prices. Then, you have in stock but crazy prices.
A friend showed me the scale of this earlier, it's disgusting and should be illegal (alongside being blacklisted by suppliers) IMO.
RTX 3080 Ti is also disgusting by itself. Just noticed that this GPU is sold on Amazon US for roughly $2000: EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra
What's the difference between 3080 Ti and 3090? It's so ridiculous that there is practically none, I've seen a benchmark where 3080 Ti is only worse by 2 fps in some games and in some they're even equal, while 3090 is ready for mining. So it seems like in some cases it's better to buy 3090 if you want to resell to a miner at some point... These cards are way too close although you have Zotac 3080 Ti which as far as I remember is about $1800 which isn't that inflated but still not great.
At this point, you may even call it RTX 3090 LHR instead of RTX 3080 Ti.
I'm experiencing graphics card whine and google tells me that it's probably not something fixable. Are super low end graphics cards available cheaply or are they also hard to get right now?
I just want to share a CPU disaster story, especially now that AMD is becoming more popular choice than Intel. It didn't happen because I'm negligent and I dropped CPU, I never did this btw, so this story could happen to anyone. First off, AMD has PGA and Intel has LGA technology, as far as I understood this is about where pins are located. For AMD pins are on the CPU itself, while for Intel pins are on motherboard/socket.
So, if you're like me and like to mess around with your new computer, e.g. changing CPU cooler or applying another brand of thermal paste, read carefully! My CPU pins got bent which is fixable, but it's not that uncommon if you try to remove CPU cooler immediately without any preparation (see below). This whole issue started with suddenly not being able to use dual channel (RAM) unexpectedly, so after reading I understood it was due to bent pins, so I went to a PC shop to straighten them which they did but 1 pin got broken in the process. I wasn't able to use dual channel for my RAM although CPU was still good to use! It turns out that *every* pin you see on CPU has a role, one could be for USB, another could be for RAM (like my case), another could be for ground (not sure if this is the one people say you can get away with if broken/bent). There is even a map of CPU pins out there if you're curious. So, this PC shop turns out it has a partnership with another company where they solder CPU pins, so you can get new pins from some older CPU which doesn't affect performance. Pins are just metal parts, they just make contact to socket, they're connectors as I heard after this issue. It's like donor-ship but for hardware, this process looks like brain surgery.. so delicate and you should ask a professional 1st in my opinion. In the end, CPU is fixed and I'm glad it is because Ryzen 9 5900x is about 600 euros if you can specify a price during these times of shortages.
So how should you avoid this? At least based on forums this is what I did to return to my permanent CPU cooler (I have 2) and it was fine this time: 1. Run CPU stress test, e.g. Prime95, AIDA64 or something. This is what forums say, not sure if it's needed but they say it's to "soften" thermal paste. Some people say it's not needed. 2. Unscrew CPU cooler but do NOT remove it yet. 3. Wiggle CPU cooler slowly - left/right and up/down so CPU doesn't get "glued" to the cooler resulting in the bad issue described above. 4. Remove CPU cooler.
This is specific to AMD CPUs which might be LGA next generation so all this hassle might be more preventable but for now due to Ryzen 5000 popularity we have to watch out when we switch from Intel to AMD.
This whole process to fix cost me 45 euro to straighten CPU pins and to place 4 new ones (a.k.a soldering), including also stability tests from PC shop (memtest86 and others). At this point, you're that desperate that even this price is much smaller than buying a new CPU which in my case is 600 euros.
Edit: It's not my CPU but it was like this except less pins were bent
Maybe "only" 10-15. By the way, it's said that if motherboard pins are messed up it's very hard to fix or even impossible. So dealing with such an issue on CPU is kind of lesser of two evils. I guess you can get away without any broken pins but you need to be damn lucky as well as good at straightening them.
My guess is AMD users/fanboys might be aware of this process already but if you switch from Intel to AMD due to Ryzen being better than Intel this time, then there could be a surprise if you're not aware of this just like me.
Edit: MSI RTX 3080 Ti from a local shop that I reported previously to be 2300 euros is now reduced to 2030 euros. What a coincidence... and I still think it's more than what it's supposed to be.
It's a bigger issue with LGA, both because the motherboard is a lot more problematic to replace (requiring reinstall of all components and sometimes even OS) and because the pins on those boards aren't straight but are actually angled somewhat.
I actually like the PGA with straight pins which drop down into a grid of holes on the socket a lot more, but any added fragility on the CPU side is certainly not ideal when your CPU is very expensive and harder to replace due to shortages.
It's good practice to warm up paste, unscrew cooler and then wiggle it back and forth gently before taking it off with any CPU, but a lot of the risk depends on the thermal paste that you use. Some pastes will bond far more tightly than others, the AMD stock cooler paste is infamous for glueing itself to the IHS while i've never had an issue with arctic mx4. By far the biggest risks with building are the processes that involve physical contact with the CPU.
On June 16 2021 20:26 Cyro wrote: It's a bigger issue with LGA, both because the motherboard is a lot more problematic to replace (requiring reinstall of all components and sometimes even OS) and because the pins on those boards aren't straight but are actually angled somewhat.
It's good practice to warm up paste, unscrew cooler and then wiggle it back and forth gently before taking it off with any CPU, but a lot of the risk depends on the thermal paste that you use. Some pastes will bond far more tightly than others, the AMD stock cooler paste is infamous for glueing itself to the IHS while i've never had an issue with arctic mx4.
I've used Noctua's thermal paste (default with NH-D15) as well as Thermal Grizly Kryonaut Extreme but I'm not sure when it happened. Maybe as far back as Noctua's one. I'm currently using Noctua NT-H2 thermal paste and I don't plan to touch CPU anytime soon. By the way, you say LGA is problematic but even though I changed my Intel i7-5820k's thermal paste in the last few weeks due to just it being old, it is still operating fine and I didn't do any preparation regarding CPU cooler. I'd like to believe that the issue there is much rarer.
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