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On October 19 2013 02:59 skyR wrote:
Hm I think Shin-Etsu or Indigo Xtreme are the best but I don't really keep track of thermal paste. Other good ones include Noctua NT-H1, Arctic Cooling MX, Arctic Silver, IC Diamond, basically any from most of the major brands are fine for the typical user. Mayo and mustard also are good people say =p
Yep, 91% is fine. Use a qtip, coffee filter, or a lint free cloth.
Is thermal paste that stuff you put in your CPU when you delid it? The same thermal paste you wout put in between the CPU and the cooler thing? It's like liquid metal no?
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Yeah I believe I'm correct. When you delid your CPU you're taking off the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) from the CPU TIM. You then get rid of the thermal paste which is already there, as well as the cheap glue that intel uses to keep the IHS stuck to the TIM. Then you put your own thermal paste on to the TIM (~grain of rice), spread it with like a qtip, put the IHS back on. No need to use glue or anything to keep the IHS in place, since it's more or less just an interface between the TIM and your own metal block, the motherboard's ... thing (not sure of name) is enough to keep it in place.
Anyone correct me if I made any mistakes.
You void the warranty on the CPU I think (which definitely sucks I guess) but you can get some pretty insane temperature gains, like 20°C.
Read: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2261855
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That question was just about what thermal paste to buy for the CPU cooler, nothing about delidding. You always need thermal paste between CPU and its cooler. With normal paste, when you pull the cooler off, you can't put it back on without creating air bubbles. That's why the person who asked needs new paste when he moves his cooler.
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Overclock.net has better info/threads, Incognoto 
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Yeh I know Ropid, I was just asking a question on top of that and yeah, I'm going to start sifting through overclock.net, thing is their boards aren't all that well organized imo, but that's just something that takes some getting used to
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If i were to delid now it would be CLU on the die (under IHS)
and mx4 above IHS
^so two different layers. For normal building or changing heatsink etc you'd replace the top layer (between IHS and heatsink) but bottom (between die and IHS) is unreachable
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Yeah I've been reading a thread about how some 4770ks have gotten cracked. It's really friggin' interesting. Are you the Cyro on OC as well?
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Now Incog will be creeping all your posts on OCN haha :p
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3 months used Dell 23 Monitor (Dell UltraSharp U2312HM 23" Monitor with LED) for 140$. Is it a good deal or not?
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Yea i forgot to post, only four months later than advertised
Hopefully it actually performs well, and then eventually there is some integration with software for CPU encoding if they keep pushing the twitch stuff, because if the hardware encoder is anything like the one on the live gamer HD, it will take 1.5-2x as much bitrate as cpu encoding for the same quality
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I am helping a friend build a PC through Microcenter only. We are in Tustin, CA so it's very local. I can't talk him in to waiting to find better deals online. Using microcenter to build a computer for using Visual Studio, programming work, and some gaming (Sc2, Civ V mostly), would you make any changes to this build?
Case:Corsair Carbide Series 300R --- $70
CPU/Mobo: MSI Z87-G41 --- $110
Intel Core i7 4770K --- $280
PSU: Corsair CX600M --- $65
Drives: Samsung 840EVO 120G --- $100
Toshiba 7200rpm 1TB --- $58
GPU: already purchased a EVGA GTX760
RAM: 2x8GB Crucial DDR3-1600 --- $140
Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper212 Evo --- $30 (not sure this is compatible with 1150 socket, it works with 1155 though)
DVD: LG 24x DVDRW ---$16
Total Price: $870 (not including the already purchased GPU)
Also, if you know about the compatibility of that hyper212, please inform me.
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Looks like ShadowPlay is limited to 480p/720p/1080p still. Pretty disappointing. Also filesize limited to 4gb? I guess it's pretty poor quality recording or else that's going to be dumb. With my current DXTory settings, which is using YV12 and 30fps with lagarith lossless, I run about 2gb per minute.
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On October 20 2013 08:11 wesbare wrote:
I am helping a friend build a PC through Microcenter only. We are in Tustin, CA so it's very local. I can't talk him in to waiting to find better deals online. Using microcenter to build a computer for using Visual Studio, programming work, and some gaming (Sc2, Civ V mostly), would you make any changes to this build?
Case:Corsair Carbide Series 300R --- $70
CPU/Mobo: MSI Z87-G41 --- $110
Intel Core i7 4770K --- $280
PSU: Corsair CX600M --- $65
Drives: Samsung 840EVO 120G --- $100
Toshiba 7200rpm 1TB --- $58
GPU: already purchased a EVGA GTX760
RAM: 2x8GB Crucial DDR3-1600 --- $140
Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper212 Evo --- $30 (not sure this is compatible with 1150 socket, it works with 1155 though)
DVD: LG 24x DVDRW ---$16
Total Price: $870 (not including the already purchased GPU)
Also, if you know about the compatibility of that hyper212, please inform me.
I'd probably get better RAM if you're paying $8.75/GB anyway, better or lower wattage psu (you don't need 600w, 430 will do fine and there are better quality or cheaper units available)
aside from that, i wouldn't pay $30 for a 212. Something mid-high range is better if you want to overclock, and $30 sticks out a bit too much for a low end cooler
also; sure on i7? maybe want a 4670k for cheaper. Hyperthreading is typically a ~20% performance boost in some applications, but might be irrelevant for most of the stuff you do. I'm not sure
On October 20 2013 08:12 Antoine wrote:
Looks like ShadowPlay is limited to 480p/720p/1080p still. Pretty disappointing. Also filesize limited to 4gb? I guess it's pretty poor quality recording or else that's going to be dumb. With my current DXTory settings, which is using YV12 and 30fps with lagarith lossless, I run about 2gb per minute.
What did you expect, 1440p?  resolution isn't everything. They didn't disclose FPS limits yet AFAIK.
Half of the point is to use the hardware h264 encoder.
A 1080p livestream will typically use a ~4mbit bitrate max. That's 1.758 gigabytes >an hour<. They've already said that they will allow 50mbit bitrate with shadowplay if you want to use it, more than an order of magnitude higher. They'll probably need more bitrate than CPU encoding, 1.5-2x or even a little more perhaps for the same quality, but by 4-5GB/hour they'll have better quality than anything you can stream, pretty much guaranteed
Your DXtory implementation is grabbing the frames via software which will have a greater performance hit, and either dumping lossless (@ like 100x the bitrate) with a little bit of CPU usage, or CPU encoding with a lot of cpu usage. The two points of shadowplay is to avoid the performance loss from grabbing frames, and not load the CPU notably because it's a hardware implementation
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Thank you. Instead of a CX500M then, is there a better option from Microcenter? They don't carry much unfortunately for PSU options.
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You don't want to spend the extra bucks on a cooler, i7-4770k, and Z87 for overclocking to get an MSI G41. That's too much on the low end unless you're not much touching volts.
Microcenter PSU selection blows. CX500M would be okay. EVGA 500B or 600B perform a little worse but are built a little better, so if you don't care about modular cables those may be slightly preferred. That's about all you'll find there that's cheapish and not trash.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 20 2013 08:11 wesbare wrote:
I am helping a friend build a PC through Microcenter only. We are in Tustin, CA so it's very local. I can't talk him in to waiting to find better deals online. Using microcenter to build a computer for using Visual Studio, programming work, and some gaming (Sc2, Civ V mostly), would you make any changes to this build?
Case:Corsair Carbide Series 300R --- $70
CPU/Mobo: MSI Z87-G41 --- $110
Intel Core i7 4770K --- $280
PSU: Corsair CX600M --- $65
Drives: Samsung 840EVO 120G --- $100
Toshiba 7200rpm 1TB --- $58
GPU: already purchased a EVGA GTX760
RAM: 2x8GB Crucial DDR3-1600 --- $140
Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper212 Evo --- $30 (not sure this is compatible with 1150 socket, it works with 1155 though)
DVD: LG 24x DVDRW ---$16
Total Price: $870 (not including the already purchased GPU)
Also, if you know about the compatibility of that hyper212, please inform me.
1. The NZXT HAVIK 140 dual 140mm cooler is still on sale for $37 - http://www.amazon.com/NZXT-HAVIK-Cooler-Dual-140MM/dp/B005869XYK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1382149286&sr=1-1&keywords=nzxt havik
Review: http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/nzxt_havik_vs_noctua_nh-d14_review/1
Now, I don't have personal experience with it, but it appears that NZXT HAVIK 140 can compete against dual-tower coolers that are easily double the price. This is certainly something worth spending $7 more than you were initially planning.
2. And to echo Myrmidon's statements, MC's huge weakness is their power PSU selection. I would again, strongly consider purchasing online.
3. MC's current bundle selection is underwhelming and on the lower end (-$30 vs. the usual -$40 or -$50 promos).
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Yah, microcenter really isn't a one stop shop, but he was not willing to wait, so oh well. Regarding the MSI board he got, he should still be able to achieve a 4.5Ghz OC right? He isn't going to be pushing heavy overclocks.
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That Havik is a pretty strong cooler and for that price seems like a very good deal. A single tower's second fan also usually doesn't really do much, so you can pretend you get a free case fan. If there's still a well placed unused 140mm fan mount position on the case, using that second fan as a case fan might have better results than on the cooler.
On October 20 2013 10:31 wesbare wrote:
Yah, microcenter really isn't a one stop shop, but he was not willing to wait, so oh well. Regarding the MSI board he got, he should still be able to achieve a 4.5Ghz OC right? He isn't going to be pushing heavy overclocks.
I don't know that board, but it should still work well. What the board has to do for supplying power to the Haswell CPU is a good bit less than what was needed in previous generations. The parts are stressed a lot less so cheap stuff might still work very well.
Cooling the Haswell CPU is also quite a battle for the cooler, so that will probably be what limits the overclock, not the stress on the board's parts.
[It was still definitely a suspicious choice to cheap out on that after deciding on the i7, but whatever... ]
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On October 20 2013 10:31 wesbare wrote:
Yah, microcenter really isn't a one stop shop, but he was not willing to wait, so oh well. Regarding the MSI board he got, he should still be able to achieve a 4.5Ghz OC right? He isn't going to be pushing heavy overclocks.
God chip yes, regular chip no. G41 is garbage for anything other than a mild OC (4.2ish).
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