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Cyro
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SkrollK
France580 Posts
On May 08 2016 22:51 Cyro wrote: Next gen GPU's are coming literally this month, but it might take a while for the lower end ones to release What's a while then ?  Seriously though, do you have a rough idea of the time it'll take ? Will it be 6+ months or will it be more like 3 ? Do you know/remember how it went for the previous generation ? Anyway, thanks for the answer  | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
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SkrollK
France580 Posts
On May 08 2016 23:06 Cyro wrote: More like 2-3 i think. The GPU's that AMD have shown a bit of information for are in the lower end segments Ok thanks. So I guess I'll rather buy a mid range laptop (found some interesting ones @650-750€) and just wait the 3 months and then get mydesktop. Thank you very much for the quick answers TL community on top of everything as always | ||
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IAmTheKingOfSpain
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On May 08 2016 23:06 Cyro wrote: More like 2-3 i think. The GPU's that AMD have shown a bit of information for are in the lower end segments Do you think that this will actually have a serious impact on the price of the 380? I have one in my build, obviously, but do new releases really affect the prices of old cards by that much? Also, do you have a lower wattage PSU to recommend? I originally chose http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500m @500W and someone on reddit wanted to change it for the one I posted in my build. It did seem like overkill, but he made some other good changes so I rolled with it. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Right now the 980ti is selling way above the announced 1070 price point, so the price of that performance could drop by a lot (980ti's undercutting 1070's which are lower power consumption/heat, newer tech cards) but the 380 is at a much lower performance and price window at the moment. PSU: Hard to say specifically. It's easy to recommend something half decent but the difference between half decent and great is difficult. It doesn't matter a lot for most users | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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z0rz
United States350 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
I think at this point that the expectations are more real cores (and "hyperthreading") at a lower price point than Intel but a bit less core performance. They may release dies that are 100% CPU instead of 45% CPU, 55% iGPU - while AMD is pushing APU's strongly, they also tend to offer dedicated APU (decent graphics) and 100% CPU choices which Intel isn't doing unless you pay $370 for the CPU alone and use last gen architecture. | ||
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z0rz
United States350 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
For cache levels, here's roughly the performance that you can expect. Going from stock + turbo piledriver benchmarks so around high 3ghz to 4.0ghz (best i can find) and my current system, some rough numbers in here as well: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piledriver fx8350 @stock+turbo speeds: L1 = 64KB per module + 16KB per thread(?) - 4 cycle latency - 435GB/s L2 = 2MB per module - 20 cycle latency(??) - 220GB/s L3 = 8MB across 4 modules - 75 cycle latency - 120GB/s System memory w/ dual channel ddr3 = ~19GB/s at 1600mhz, probably 25GB/s reasonably achievable --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skylake @4.6ghz core, 4.4ghz uncore: L1 = 64KB per core - 4 cycle latency - 1300GB/s L2 = 256KB per core - 12 cycle latency - 600GB/s L3 = 8MB across 4 cores - 22 cycle latency - 320GB/s System memory w/ dual channel ddr4 = ~50GB/s @3200mhz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The cache and memory performance differences stand out a lot and are responsible for some large performance gaps. Zen's cache architecture is much closer to Skylake and should be a ton better performing as well | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
For just programming, pretty much anything 1080p with a decent processor and 8-16GB of RAM will suffice, but if you're not doing VMs then 8 is usually fine. IGPU is more than sufficient for video. Always recommend an SSD for the OS drive. If you plan to program for touch then it's useful to get one with a touchscreen. Otherwise, it's not a big deal. Higher resolution screens aren't going to make much difference for programming, but will probably add a lot of cost. Battery life is pretty useful, here. I'd shoot for at least 6 hours. Portability is mainly a question of getting enough screen real-estate to work comfortably while not having it be too cumbersome to carry around. It's more of a personal preference. Definitely don't try to program on a 1366x768 resolution screen, though. You'll get something like 22 lines of code on the screen w/ line-wrapping (vs 40-some on 1080p). If you're going to be doing anything for iOS, you'll be forced into getting a Mac. Long story short, for programming it's just about meeting some basic specs, so there are tons of options out there. Also, consider buying used or refurbed on Amazon. Can get nearly-new for half price. | ||
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JuneMay
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http://www.amazon.com/Compaq-8200-Elite-SFF-Professional/dp/B00ZS63XLO#productDetails for like 250 dollars. And they come with 8gb of ram. Now my problem is, psu is only 240W and I think I would need better graphic cards. I wanna play games on medium to high settings, but also I would like to stream on twitch and make videos for youtube. So anyone knows if I can even change to better psu? And if yes, what graphic card should I put in? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On May 10 2016 20:33 JuneMay wrote: Ok guys, there is some dude near me who is selling bunch of these really cheap: http://www.amazon.com/Compaq-8200-Elite-SFF-Professional/dp/B00ZS63XLO#productDetails for like 250 dollars. And they come with 8gb of ram. Now my problem is, psu is only 240W and I think I would need better graphic cards. I wanna play games on medium to high settings, but also I would like to stream on twitch and make videos for youtube. So anyone knows if I can even change to better psu? And if yes, what graphic card should I put in? That's a build w/ an over 5 year old CPU/Mobo/RAM setup. CPU progress has been slow recently but it is still relevant and the lack of features on the mobo (some stuff like usb 3.0) might be annoying. You can also bet on the PSU being trash, mobo probably being low end and the case having bad airflow if it can even fit a proper graphics card in it. It'd have to be pretty cheap to be worth buying | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On May 10 2016 16:16 Craton wrote: What kind of gaming? For just programming, pretty much anything 1080p with a decent processor and 8-16GB of RAM will suffice, but if you're not doing VMs then 8 is usually fine. IGPU is more than sufficient for video. Always recommend an SSD for the OS drive. If you plan to program for touch then it's useful to get one with a touchscreen. Otherwise, it's not a big deal. Higher resolution screens aren't going to make much difference for programming, but will probably add a lot of cost. Battery life is pretty useful, here. I'd shoot for at least 6 hours. Portability is mainly a question of getting enough screen real-estate to work comfortably while not having it be too cumbersome to carry around. It's more of a personal preference. Definitely don't try to program on a 1366x768 resolution screen, though. You'll get something like 22 lines of code on the screen w/ line-wrapping (vs 40-some on 1080p). If you're going to be doing anything for iOS, you'll be forced into getting a Mac. Long story short, for programming it's just about meeting some basic specs, so there are tons of options out there. Also, consider buying used or refurbed on Amazon. Can get nearly-new for half price. I would primarily be playing new, AAA games. Currently, I'm playing Diablo 3 and Dark Souls 3. But I want to be able to play whatever is new at 1080p/60fps and low - mid quality. Portability and gaming are the big factors in me getting a new laptop. My old laptop is 7 years old and weighs 11lbs...it's not fun to carry. Touch isn't a big deal for me. I wouldn't be creating anything reliant on a touch screen, and I can't stand people touching their monitor. And not iOS. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
I'm planning to buy a new laptop, since my old Sony Vaio with GeForce 310M GPU won't even handle Overwatch on low settings... Currently I'm thinking of 3 exact models, depends on my budget. Any recommendations? Edit : If it comes to hardware, I'm a total amateur. Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 Link 4 with the last being the most expensive. Dunno if I can spend that much amount of $$. As for now, I want to run Overwatch on high settings and have a good fps. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
A dedicated GPU is ideal, but a ~940m isn't a very good GPU; it's like a third of the performance of a 950 or even less. The lowest end mobile GPU to match a gtx950 is the 965m or 970m. I'd recommend a 970m or gtx960 for overwatch @1080p60 What kind of pricing is this? tried doing currency conversions to euro/gbp but i have the wrong numbers | ||
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Craton
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