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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 11:11:03
May 17 2016 11:03 GMT
#11941
ADATA SP550 480GB even cheaper now on Newegg's Ebay store, just $94 + 3 year warranty. The price just keeps going down, makes my superior Samsung 830 I purchased 3 years ago look like a ripoff. I'm tempted to pick one up just for backup or to go along side my 120GB.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291544248218?rmvSB=true
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
May 17 2016 13:20 GMT
#11942
Nvidia Geforce GTX 1080 performance index:
1080p
1440p
4K

Not overclocked, founders edition and the averages come from the gaming tests with a 390X as baseline. Source if anyone doesn't care that it's in Swedish and want to see the individual tests.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 14:08:52
May 17 2016 14:08 GMT
#11943
The 1070 looks like a good price point for my next upgrade from a 760, still waiting for benchmarks.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 17 2016 14:10 GMT
#11944
How much is the 1070 going to cost?
maru lover forever
bluegarfield
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore1128 Posts
May 17 2016 14:20 GMT
#11945
On May 17 2016 23:10 Incognoto wrote:
How much is the 1070 going to cost?


Around US$400 I think.

And holycow benchmark, gtx1080 look really really strong, esp with oc
ELqQQT_T
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 17 2016 14:36 GMT
#11946
Maybe the 1060 will be interesting.
maru lover forever
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 15:11:28
May 17 2016 15:09 GMT
#11947
On May 17 2016 19:23 Firkraag8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think it can be reduced to the following questions:
-What are some features I will want on a motherboard to make it last a few years?
-What processor do I want to couple it with?

You'll want the latest USB in this case 3.1 I guess, otherwise it's all the same mostly. For processor get a Skylake for sure, 6600k should last you a long time and is very fast. I would replace your PSU considering the age of your system, I threw together a little upgrade that should be fine in all regards:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/9404313/[image loading][image loading]


You will want to upgrade the GPU at a later date too depending on which R9 you actually have..

Thanks for the quick reply. That mobo seems to have a bit of everything, though what are you referring to when you say that it's "mostly" the same? (across different mobos).
The gfx card is a 270x so OK for at least a year?
I think the build you linked changed from when I first looked at it? or for some reason I remember looking at a mobo with a M.2 line earlier today.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 15:58:31
May 17 2016 15:53 GMT
#11948
On May 17 2016 23:10 Incognoto wrote:
How much is the 1070 going to cost?


1070 = probably roughly 980ti performance at $379 MSRP

1080 = like 30% better (just took a glance at reviews cause i g2g) - http://www.overclock.net/t/1600401/various-gtx-1080-reviews/

Maybe the 1060 will be interesting.


Maybe, but if you're considering that performance level and looking primarily for price/performance you might be more interested in the flood of used 970/980/390/390x's hitting the market. Unless you want next-gen NVENC and a passive cooled GPU lol
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 17:44:14
May 17 2016 17:44 GMT
#11949
The 1080 reference version was showing pretty equal to 980 SLI (plus or minus depending on the game, performing better in games with DX12 support).
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 17 2016 18:33 GMT
#11950
On May 18 2016 00:53 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2016 23:10 Incognoto wrote:
How much is the 1070 going to cost?


1070 = probably roughly 980ti performance at $379 MSRP

1080 = like 30% better (just took a glance at reviews cause i g2g) - http://www.overclock.net/t/1600401/various-gtx-1080-reviews/

Show nested quote +
Maybe the 1060 will be interesting.


Maybe, but if you're considering that performance level and looking primarily for price/performance you might be more interested in the flood of used 970/980/390/390x's hitting the market. Unless you want next-gen NVENC and a passive cooled GPU lol

Yeah lol pretty much

I don't need a new card <_<

though upgrades are getting sexier and sexier
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 19:08:19
May 17 2016 18:57 GMT
#11951
I'm prob waiting for the HBM2 flagships - 16GB of VRAM and plausibly another 25-50% overall performance.

[image loading]

2.78x the perf/watt of Hawaii @1080p*, which is one of the most popular GPU's right now.

Nvidia seems to like claiming 2x perf/watt when they're actually nowhere close, they have to cherry pick a number to get that and then next gen they claim 2x perf/watt again, cherry picking it in a different way that conflicts with what they said last generation. Perf/watt hasn't improved by 4x since Kepler, it has improved by maybe 3x - 3.2x or so (hard to say exactly).

AMD was claiming 2.5x perf/watt this gen with Polaris i think, which would put them in the same ballpark as Pascal but still slightly behind if they deliver on it.

*Perf/watt is a little bit friendlier for AMD if you look at high resolutions - http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/images/perfwatt_3840_2160.png


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On May 17 2016 23:08 Disregard wrote:
The 1070 looks like a good price point for my next upgrade from a 760, still waiting for benchmarks.


You should be able to roughly compare it to the 980ti for FPS as that fits in with what was said and where the 1080 has landed (some 1.3x faster) - It may be a bit off that number and be better at certain things, but for a general performance level that's about right.

Efficiency should be gtx1080-class but probably a bit worse because Nvidia is claiming to get 1.43x the bandwidth from gddr5x at the same power as gddr5; power consumption will be lower (1.2x lower?). We don't actually know that much on paper but it's easy enough to make accurate educated guesses.

The 680 is a little better than your 760 - http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1719?vs=1715

The 760 and 1070 are roughly the same class of GPU as well (same position in the product stack) but the 1070 is ahead on manufacturing process (16nm from 28nm) and two architectural revisions. I think that there's already enough information to make a buying choice, but we should have a few more floods of info in the coming weeks about the 1080 and then 1070 (:
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28104 Posts
May 17 2016 19:08 GMT
#11952
Will the 1080 be the best card for quite a while?
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 19:33:53
May 17 2016 19:10 GMT
#11953
Both AMD and Nvidia are in a position to knock it off the top of the hill, it's just a question of when (late this year to mid next year is possible)

We could also get something like the higher end GPU only being available in a Titan priced card for 4-6 months

----------

[image loading]

AMD still needs to improve their drivers for CPU efficiency. It's been over 2 years now since Nvidia took a huge lead, it looks like ~1.38x there.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 19:46:00
May 17 2016 19:43 GMT
#11954
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 18 2016 03:57 Cyro wrote:
I'm prob waiting for the HBM2 flagships - 16GB of VRAM and plausibly another 25-50% overall performance.

[image loading]

2.78x the perf/watt of Hawaii @1080p*, which is one of the most popular GPU's right now.

Nvidia seems to like claiming 2x perf/watt when they're actually nowhere close, they have to cherry pick a number to get that and then next gen they claim 2x perf/watt again, cherry picking it in a different way that conflicts with what they said last generation. Perf/watt hasn't improved by 4x since Kepler, it has improved by maybe 3x - 3.2x or so (hard to say exactly).

AMD was claiming 2.5x perf/watt this gen with Polaris i think, which would put them in the same ballpark as Pascal but still slightly behind if they deliver on it.

*Perf/watt is a little bit friendlier for AMD if you look at high resolutions - http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/images/perfwatt_3840_2160.png


-------------


On May 17 2016 23:08 Disregard wrote:
The 1070 looks like a good price point for my next upgrade from a 760, still waiting for benchmarks.

You should be able to roughly compare it to the 980ti for FPS as that fits in with what was said and where the 1080 has landed (some 1.3x faster) - It may be a bit off that number and be better at certain things, but for a general performance level that's about right.

Efficiency should be gtx1080-class but probably a bit worse because Nvidia is claiming to get 1.43x the bandwidth from gddr5x at the same power as gddr5; power consumption will be lower (1.2x lower?). We don't actually know that much on paper but it's easy enough to make accurate educated guesses.

The 680 is a little better than your 760 - http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1719?vs=1715

The 760 and 1070 are roughly the same class of GPU as well (same position in the product stack) but the 1070 is ahead on manufacturing process (16nm from 28nm) and two architectural revisions. I think that there's already enough information to make a buying choice, but we should have a few more floods of info in the coming weeks about the 1080 and then 1070 (:


680 is higher tier though, considering the price back then. I think it was ~$100 more than my Windforce which I got for $240ish or a bit more.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
May 17 2016 19:48 GMT
#11955
680 is higher tier though, considering the price back then


It is, it was just the closest GPU to compare with on the list
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 22:53:17
May 17 2016 21:20 GMT
#11956
Not sure what to think about GTX 1080 price point, it basicly offers about 25% more perf than GTX 980TI for 25% more price. It's ok i guess. It beats Titan X and is cheaper than that overpiced thing so i guess thats ok too and even true to the marketing campaign. SLI GTX 1080 will prolly be a card that finally allows to play 4k in comfortable way.

If GTX 1070 will offer same or slighlty lower perf as GTX 980 TI for 370$ i will be very impressed and will buy it in few months, will be good card for 1440p gaming.

Mid to high end for graphic cards atm seems to look like that

960 >380> 970 > 390 > 390X > 980> R9Nano> Fury(X)> 1070 (if Nvidia delivers on its promises) > 980TI >1080



Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
May 17 2016 23:17 GMT
#11957
I'm interested to see if AMD has something like simultaneous multiprojection for polaris - it seems built into the pascal chips and an actual gamechanger for VR headsets utilizing it for performance gain. We should see as soon as they announce details, which should come soon
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-18 00:04:25
May 18 2016 00:03 GMT
#11958
How much will the price of the 10xx drop by Cannonlake release? My 1230v3 and aforementioned 760 still does justice for the work I'm doing and gaming.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-18 01:22:43
May 18 2016 01:03 GMT
#11959
Cannonlake is releasing next year

i don't think 1070 price will change very much for a while
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-18 09:09:23
May 18 2016 09:04 GMT
#11960
Specifications for the GTX 1070 is out, from what I hear there will be a larger gap between 1080 & 1070 than there was between 980 & 970 but the 1070 will still be at 980Ti / Titan X performance or slightly faster(according to Nvidia).

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