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On August 14 2014 09:05 skyR wrote:
What licensing issues would there be? They're just like merging all installer.exe's and hosting it.
They do have a subscription
Well, I'm thinking the automation of denying all the bloatware/adware/crapware add-ons to some of the programs could be a target. Also, that automation is automating your acceptance of the EULAs for all the software being installed - not that most people actually read or pay attention to it, but it could be an interesting legal conundrum.
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On August 14 2014 10:26 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 09:05 skyR wrote:
What licensing issues would there be? They're just like merging all installer.exe's and hosting it.
They do have a subscription Well, I'm thinking the automation of denying all the bloatware/adware/crapware add-ons to some of the programs could be a target. Also, that automation is automating your acceptance of the EULAs for all the software being installed - not that most people actually read or pay attention to it, but it could be an interesting legal conundrum.
I think they offered more software in their past. They might have gotten complains from the developers and that's why stuff is missing? You are probably right and there's issues, but they were probably solved already.
Interestingly, there's a commercial version of that Ninite thingy, and that one supports more stuff. I wonder how that is related. They might pay something to the developers (just enough for what the developers would have gotten through those borderline malware deals), or they might have stripped stuff out of the free Ninite to make their commercial version more attractive.
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adobe air? never heard of it.
The game client for LoL is built on adobe air and i think that was the most popular online game in the world at some point
or they might have stripped stuff out of the free Ninite to make their commercial version more attractive.
It says right on the front page, you can scroll down - they have features like management of a network of PC's and auto updating a large list of software iirc
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Can you get a better PSU? Something along the lines of a Superflower/Seasonic based PSU... 550w is plenty for your system.
You may also want to save some money by getting a different SSD. Is the MX100/M500 available?
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Hey guys, thanks for the thread. I used it a lot when configuring a pre-built (i know, lolz) because I thought I didn't have time to do it myself. But now that the pre-built I ordered crapped out within a few days, I come to you to seek advice for how to self build.
For reference, the pre-built was configured with the following specs:
CPU: AMD A10-7850K 3.70GHz Quad-Core APU w/ Radeon R7 8GCN Cores Graphics
VIDEO: AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card
MEMORY: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/2133MHz Dual Channel Memory Corsair Vengeance
MOTHERBOARD: * GIGABYTE F2A88XN-WIFI A88X mITX w/ Ultra Durable 4 Plus, On/Off Charge, 802.11AC
PSU: 650 Watts - Thermaltake SMART Series SP-650PCBUS 80 PLUS BRONZE
SSD: 250GB Samsung 840 EVO Series SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 540MB/s Read & 520MB/s Write
HDD: 1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200 RPM HDD
What is your budget?
$1000-1200. I have the funds to add more if I think it's worth it.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
LG says it's 1920 X 1080, although at this resolution not all the 27" screen is being used.
http://www.lg.com/us/commercial/lcd-computer-monitors/lg-27MP34HQ-B/technical-specifications
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Best/ultra settings for fairly graphics intensive games coming out in Q4 like Far Cry 4
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Multi-document Word processing, lots of Adobe windows open simultaneously
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, I prefer Win7 over Win8
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I would like to buy a secondary monitor that flips vertically for reading Outlook, and matches up nicely with the height of a 27" monitor. This is not part of the budget. Recommendations are welcome!
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No specific preferences, but am willing to pay a little more for brand manufacturers. I noticed in the pre-built that died they had some random manufacturer for the R9 280X video card in it...
What country will you be buying your parts in?
U.S.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Amazon Prime would be preferred since I have a membership, but I am familiar with Newegg.
I don't think I noticed much of a difference having a game installed on the SSD as opposed to the HDD, so maybe I could go for something smaller than a 250GB SSD this time, just to dump the OS and 2-3 games on there.
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On August 17 2014 01:56 requiem wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, thanks for the thread. I used it a lot when configuring a pre-built (i know, lolz) because I thought I didn't have time to do it myself. But now that the pre-built I ordered crapped out within a few days, I come to you to seek advice for how to self build. For reference, the pre-built was configured with the following specs: CPU: AMD A10-7850K 3.70GHz Quad-Core APU w/ Radeon R7 8GCN Cores Graphics VIDEO: AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card MEMORY: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/2133MHz Dual Channel Memory Corsair Vengeance MOTHERBOARD: * GIGABYTE F2A88XN-WIFI A88X mITX w/ Ultra Durable 4 Plus, On/Off Charge, 802.11AC PSU: 650 Watts - Thermaltake SMART Series SP-650PCBUS 80 PLUS BRONZE SSD: 250GB Samsung 840 EVO Series SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 540MB/s Read & 520MB/s Write HDD: 1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200 RPM HDD What is your budget?$1000-1200. I have the funds to add more if I think it's worth it. What is your monitor's native resolution?LG says it's 1920 X 1080, although at this resolution not all the 27" screen is being used. http://www.lg.com/us/commercial/lcd-computer-monitors/lg-27MP34HQ-B/technical-specificationsWhat games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Best/ultra settings for fairly graphics intensive games coming out in Q4 like Far Cry 4 What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Multi-document Word processing, lots of Adobe windows open simultaneously Do you intend to overclock?No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No Do you need an operating system?Yes, I prefer Win7 over Win8 Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?I would like to buy a secondary monitor that flips vertically for reading Outlook, and matches up nicely with the height of a 27" monitor. This is not part of the budget. Recommendations are welcome! If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.No specific preferences, but am willing to pay a little more for brand manufacturers. I noticed in the pre-built that died they had some random manufacturer for the R9 280X video card in it... What country will you be buying your parts in?U.S. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.Amazon Prime would be preferred since I have a membership, but I am familiar with Newegg. I don't think I noticed much of a difference having a game installed on the SSD as opposed to the HDD, so maybe I could go for something smaller than a 250GB SSD this time, just to dump the OS and 2-3 games on there.
It's kind of pointless to get an SSD smaller than 256GB these days as for an extra $20-30 you double the capacity.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-D PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: A-Data XPG V2 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Silverstone PS07B MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12G 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1092.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-16 13:25 EDT-0400
+$100 for windows and +~15 for a DVD Burner if you need. The R9 290 should be able to max any game 1080p ezpz.
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On August 17 2014 02:30 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 01:56 requiem wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, thanks for the thread. I used it a lot when configuring a pre-built (i know, lolz) because I thought I didn't have time to do it myself. But now that the pre-built I ordered crapped out within a few days, I come to you to seek advice for how to self build. For reference, the pre-built was configured with the following specs: CPU: AMD A10-7850K 3.70GHz Quad-Core APU w/ Radeon R7 8GCN Cores Graphics VIDEO: AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card MEMORY: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/2133MHz Dual Channel Memory Corsair Vengeance MOTHERBOARD: * GIGABYTE F2A88XN-WIFI A88X mITX w/ Ultra Durable 4 Plus, On/Off Charge, 802.11AC PSU: 650 Watts - Thermaltake SMART Series SP-650PCBUS 80 PLUS BRONZE SSD: 250GB Samsung 840 EVO Series SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 540MB/s Read & 520MB/s Write HDD: 1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200 RPM HDD What is your budget?$1000-1200. I have the funds to add more if I think it's worth it. What is your monitor's native resolution?LG says it's 1920 X 1080, although at this resolution not all the 27" screen is being used. http://www.lg.com/us/commercial/lcd-computer-monitors/lg-27MP34HQ-B/technical-specificationsWhat games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Best/ultra settings for fairly graphics intensive games coming out in Q4 like Far Cry 4 What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Multi-document Word processing, lots of Adobe windows open simultaneously Do you intend to overclock?No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No Do you need an operating system?Yes, I prefer Win7 over Win8 Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?I would like to buy a secondary monitor that flips vertically for reading Outlook, and matches up nicely with the height of a 27" monitor. This is not part of the budget. Recommendations are welcome! If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.No specific preferences, but am willing to pay a little more for brand manufacturers. I noticed in the pre-built that died they had some random manufacturer for the R9 280X video card in it... What country will you be buying your parts in?U.S. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.Amazon Prime would be preferred since I have a membership, but I am familiar with Newegg. I don't think I noticed much of a difference having a game installed on the SSD as opposed to the HDD, so maybe I could go for something smaller than a 250GB SSD this time, just to dump the OS and 2-3 games on there. It's kind of pointless to get an SSD smaller than 256GB these days as for an extra $20-30 you double the capacity. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Asus H81M-D PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg) Memory: A-Data XPG V2 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon) Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon) Case: Silverstone PS07B MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($79.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: SeaSonic S12G 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1092.84 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-16 13:25 EDT-0400+$100 for windows and +~15 for a DVD Burner if you need. The R9 290 should be able to max any game 1080p ezpz.
Gotcha on the SSD part. Can I ask what the rationale is for the Xeon processor? I didn't understand too much of what I was reading when I looked it up. Is it better for multitasking or something?
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On August 17 2014 03:12 requiem wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 02:30 iTzSnypah wrote:On August 17 2014 01:56 requiem wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, thanks for the thread. I used it a lot when configuring a pre-built (i know, lolz) because I thought I didn't have time to do it myself. But now that the pre-built I ordered crapped out within a few days, I come to you to seek advice for how to self build. For reference, the pre-built was configured with the following specs: CPU: AMD A10-7850K 3.70GHz Quad-Core APU w/ Radeon R7 8GCN Cores Graphics VIDEO: AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card MEMORY: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/2133MHz Dual Channel Memory Corsair Vengeance MOTHERBOARD: * GIGABYTE F2A88XN-WIFI A88X mITX w/ Ultra Durable 4 Plus, On/Off Charge, 802.11AC PSU: 650 Watts - Thermaltake SMART Series SP-650PCBUS 80 PLUS BRONZE SSD: 250GB Samsung 840 EVO Series SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 540MB/s Read & 520MB/s Write HDD: 1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200 RPM HDD What is your budget?$1000-1200. I have the funds to add more if I think it's worth it. What is your monitor's native resolution?LG says it's 1920 X 1080, although at this resolution not all the 27" screen is being used. http://www.lg.com/us/commercial/lcd-computer-monitors/lg-27MP34HQ-B/technical-specificationsWhat games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Best/ultra settings for fairly graphics intensive games coming out in Q4 like Far Cry 4 What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Multi-document Word processing, lots of Adobe windows open simultaneously Do you intend to overclock?No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No Do you need an operating system?Yes, I prefer Win7 over Win8 Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?I would like to buy a secondary monitor that flips vertically for reading Outlook, and matches up nicely with the height of a 27" monitor. This is not part of the budget. Recommendations are welcome! If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.No specific preferences, but am willing to pay a little more for brand manufacturers. I noticed in the pre-built that died they had some random manufacturer for the R9 280X video card in it... What country will you be buying your parts in?U.S. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.Amazon Prime would be preferred since I have a membership, but I am familiar with Newegg. I don't think I noticed much of a difference having a game installed on the SSD as opposed to the HDD, so maybe I could go for something smaller than a 250GB SSD this time, just to dump the OS and 2-3 games on there. It's kind of pointless to get an SSD smaller than 256GB these days as for an extra $20-30 you double the capacity. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Asus H81M-D PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg) Memory: A-Data XPG V2 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon) Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon) Case: Silverstone PS07B MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($79.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: SeaSonic S12G 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1092.84 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-16 13:25 EDT-0400+$100 for windows and +~15 for a DVD Burner if you need. The R9 290 should be able to max any game 1080p ezpz. Gotcha on the SSD part. Can I ask what the rationale is for the Xeon processor? I didn't understand too much of what I was reading when I looked it up. Is it better for multitasking or something?
Those Xeon E3 for socket LGA1150 are related to the normal i5 and i7, but there's a wider variety of models at interesting price points. That large jump in price between i5 and i7 is not there for the Xeon E3.
This particular model is an i7 with its integrated graphics disabled and it's only a little bit more expensive than an i5.
EDIT:
Here's links to the specs on Intel's site:
E3-1230 v3 is an i7 without graphics (look at the 8 threads):
http://ark.intel.com/products/75054/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1230-v3-8M-Cache-3_30-GHz
E3-1220 v3 is one step down and is an i5 without graphics (it only has 4 threads):
http://ark.intel.com/products/75052/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1220-v3-8M-Cache-3_10-GHz
E3-1230 is the first one that's like an i7 and has HyperThreading (those 8 threads).
The E3 with graphics end on a '5' instead of '0'. There are only those two here around the speed of the 1230, one i5-like and one i7-like:
http://ark.intel.com/products/75461/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1225-v3-8M-Cache-3_20-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/75462/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1245-v3-8M-Cache-3_40-GHz
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I can't remember if the Xeons can be overclocked or not. If they can, they're really sexy chips.
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Here is my reasoning:
H81+1230v3 costs ~$25 more than H97+4590. They are both the same Ghz (3.5-3.7) but the Xeon has 2MB more Cache and Hyperthreading. Worth it in my books.
On August 17 2014 03:55 Incognoto wrote:
I can't remember if the Xeons can be overclocked or not. If they can, they're really sexy chips.
No. Companies who buy bulk Xeons time is money to them and you can't have any downtime because of instability...
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Xeons are enterprise grade server chips. Overclocking isn't an option, they focus on stability and power usage alongside raw power.
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CPU: AMD A10-7850K 3.70GHz Quad-Core APU w/ Radeon R7 8GCN Cores Graphics
VIDEO: AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card
Why would you use a 7850k? :0
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On August 17 2014 03:59 iTzSnypah wrote:Here is my reasoning: H81+1230v3 costs ~$25 more than H97+4590. They are both the same Ghz (3.5-3.7) but the Xeon has 2MB more Cache and Hyperthreading. Worth it in my books. Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 03:55 Incognoto wrote:
I can't remember if the Xeons can be overclocked or not. If they can, they're really sexy chips. No. Companies who buy bulk Xeons time is money to them and you can't have any downtime because of instability...
Sounds good actually, quite nice. The hyperthreading IS nice to have, especially if you're going to stream.
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Hey guys, I was wondering whether or not I should upgrade my computer for ~600 dollars, or save up for another year and buy a brand new one for ~2000. The reason I'd want to upgrade is I can use the left over money to buy a NUC as a HTPC. I am currently using my computer for C#/SQL Server development and Scala development on a linux VM (running VMware), as well as playing old games such as Aion. I do want to play the new battlefield though, and don't think my current machine would handle it. It already feels sluggish at times. I was thinking of just upgrading my RAM to 16 gigs, and replacing my ancient graphics card with a GTX 760 something, and if there's any money left over, a SSD that I can boot windows to.
Intel Core i7 960
MSI X58 Pro-E
9 gigs of DDR3 RAM
Nvidia geforfce GTX 275
My display is 1080p1920 x 1080 native res
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Well getting 16 Gb of RAM won't really get you gains in performance. You could also buy a GTX 760 but if you can put down $2000 in a year that can get you a very nice Maxwell GPU. Up to you whether or no it's worth.
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For programming, especially when running in a VM, the extra RAM helps. Is it not a bottleneck for gaming? Sadly I don't know too much about hardware which is why I'm asking for opinions. My CPU is supposedly 3.2 ghz and I bought this roughly 4 years ago, I'm seeing a lot of CPUs are still only at 3.5 - 3.6 ghz. What kind of performance benefits would upgrading to a new mobo and CPU get me?
Basically if I decided to buy a new desktop, I'd use my current desktop as my HTPC (but its a little too big and awkward for that) or as some kind of server for some fun project.
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I can't think of a proper game that uses more than ~2GB of RAM.
If you're going to be running multiple VMs then the RAM could prove useful. Your RAM also gets taxed for software based RAIDs, at least with the implementation Windows uses. That said, I've really only see it high when resyncing drives.
You could probably still run a single VM on just 8 GB just fine -- having something like 2 GB allocated to the VM will still leave you a lot of headroom. I've got about 10GB in use right now with much of my development environment in action and various other things open, but realistically that's just because it's available to be used. If I only had 8GB then windows would simply recycle a bunch of it and I likely wouldn't notice a difference.
If you can actually make use of the RAM and have the budget for it, sure go ahead; VMs are one of the big memory hogs. For gaming, don't expect anything.
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My CPU is supposedly 3.2 ghz and I bought this roughly 4 years ago, I'm seeing a lot of CPUs are still only at 3.5 - 3.6 ghz. What kind of performance benefits would upgrading to a new mobo and CPU get me?
Newer CPU's are significantly faster at the same clock speed - A Haswell quad core at like 2.4ghz for example could beat yours at 3.2 - but an unlocked Haswell CPU can be clocked to around 4.6ghz or so, which would make it a ton faster. There's significant speed gains to be had there, but you could also potentially OC your current CPU to around ~4ghz and get some more performance out of your current setup.
tl;dr = your current cpu <<<<<<<< OC cpu << Haswell stock <<<<<<<<<< OC'd Haswell or something like that. Lots of room for improving performance there.
I can't think of a proper game that uses more than ~2GB of RAM.
You're not thinking hard enough, sc2 uses 2gb and then unloads stuff and reloads it causing stuttering but only because it's a 32 bit program and can't use more, AFAIK. Even WoW uses over 2gb, modern, large-scale games like Battlefield 4, Planetside 2 and Wildstar use 3-4GB (well, wildstar likes to use 6.5GB sometimes and then crash but that's just shitty programming)
I don't see the need for over 8gb unless your uses call for it (which is fine, a lot of people use >8GB of RAM), but i can see 16 being what people are buying in 3-4 years or so for more standard uses
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Hello everyone, this is my first real post and I am hoping to get some direction and assistance with determining which direction I need to go in to meet my needs. I filled below the answers to the basic informational questions posted at the top of this thread but if that is not enough I have also tried to elaborate on my intentions for this PC. Thank you in advance for any and all your suggestions.
What is your budget?
Must be under $1,000
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
League of Legends and any newer next gen MMOBA game
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Streaming various websites like NBC, USA, FOX etc along with Netflix. This PC will be streaming any where from 4-12 hours a day
Do you intend to overclock?
I do not intend to but I am not opposed to it if it will not damage the PC or shorten it's life span
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Only a mouse, do not need to include this in the budget
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No preferences
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No preferences
Just to elaborate again, this PC will mainly be used to stream video from the internet and display it on my HDTV in my living room (about 6-8 hours daily). I noted that I would also be playing LOL and other next gen MMOBA games but that is a rare occasion but would like the capability to do so. I really don't have much experience customizing PCs for this purpose, I am not even sure that a PC is the best solution for it. Please let me know if there are any other devices (not google's chromecast or Roku stuff though) that could fill this need.
-DeadlyDaddy
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