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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
FWIW, not with 2x NF-A15 but 2x NF-P14, top chart on this page: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1359-page6.html That's not much difference (less than 3-5C), especially if you normalize for equal noise levels and ignore the super-low-speed result. The test is with Nehalem quad core i7 at 3.6 GHz, 1.4 V, so over 150W draw. Most people here probably aren't using something other than LGA 115x CPU and not delidded, so power draws not even that high. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On February 17 2014 08:42 Myrmidon wrote: It's always going to depend on thermal load, fan speeds, etc. FWIW, not with 2x NF-A15 but 2x NF-P14, top chart on this page: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1359-page6.html That's not much difference (less than 3-5C), especially if you normalize for equal noise levels and ignore the super-low-speed result. The test is with Nehalem quad core i7 at 3.6 GHz, 1.4 V, so over 150W draw. Most people here probably aren't using something other than LGA 115x CPU and not delidded, so power draws not even that high. That's only on +39 and +41c over ambient temp, so 60c cpu - if it's at 80, the gap in C will rise - you can be at like 220w delidded on air 100-150 range is pretty normal Not sure how ~7v would affect the results Based on that, i don't think 3c is an unreasonable expectation. 5 maybe a bit wild | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
Requirements in format: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $800-1000, possibly going to 1200 (for only parts inside a case) What is your monitor's native resolution? 1600x900, looking for second monitor to dual-monitor if possible with old monitor What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? SCII, LoL, Dota2, CSGO, possibly recent games at high quality What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? office work mostly Do you intend to overclock? if easy enough with instructions Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? if needed or warranted Do you need an operating system? win7 Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? none needed, and will be bought separately from the budget if needed If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. none What country will you be buying your parts in? US If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Nearby Fry's and Microcenter | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On February 14 2014 01:56 wussleeQ wrote: sigh... bought an i7 4770k, z87x-d3h, and a noctua d-14 ($70 cooler) and replaced my i5 3570k, p8z77-lk, and enermax ets cooler ($30 cooler) and everything just went to shit. sad $400 "upgrade" had a ton of issues with not having enough room setting up my shit and dropping screws everywhere causing me to remount the damn thing and even putting one of my fan plugs on the wrong side of the mobo ... then worst of all, boot times are up from 18 sec to 30+ from power to the metro screen in win 8.1 even after reformatting, the noctua is a hell of a lot louder than my other cooler and my frames in LoL have gone from 140-200+ to 70-80. granted, i haven't overclocked yet but it shouldn't be this much of a deal should it? also, what are good stock temps? i'm hitting 30-40c which i feel is high for stock... alrighttt. so overclocking solved the issue with the slow load times oddly enough. frames got solved by installing evga oc software and now my only issue is that i get some bad startups where i power on and get no response from the computer (idle screen and monitor never turns on). any ideas? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On February 17 2014 10:17 Wala.Revolution wrote: So a friend asked me to build a computer, with a budget between $800-1000 (excluding monitor(s), peripherals, etc). He has a 17 inch monitor (1600x900 I think) and is wondering if it's possible to run dual monitors with different resolutions. I built a computer successfully once before so I'm fairly confident I could do it again but I did not overlock. It seems newbies can handle with instructions so I want to try it if it is so. He'll be playing mostly SCII LoL some dota2 and csgo, but wants the computer to run recent games at high settings, if possible. Requirements in format: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $800-1000, possibly going to 1200 (for only parts inside a case) What is your monitor's native resolution? 1600x900, looking for second monitor to dual-monitor if possible with old monitor What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? SCII, LoL, Dota2, CSGO, possibly recent games at high quality What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? office work mostly Do you intend to overclock? if easy enough with instructions Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? if needed or warranted Do you need an operating system? win7 Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? none needed, and will be bought separately from the budget if needed If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. none What country will you be buying your parts in? US If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Nearby Fry's and Microcenter Dual monitor with 2 different resolutions is super easy. The only difficult part is when you're rendering a game across multiple monitors and playing it on both at the same time (the vast majority of people with dual monitor play game on a primary screen only, with stuff like desktop windows on second monitor) | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
The goal is to make things easier for programmers to tap into different resouruces a computer might have. In practice, this mostly means normal x86 / x64 CPU cores and modern GPUs, especially on AMD's APUs. AMD these days is of course also interested in ARM cores. Mantle already is for CPUs in a way. It's an API for CPUs to tell GPUs what to do, but the focus is primarily on gaming graphics and on absolute performance and control of the GPU rather than more general computational problems for more general classes of compute hardware. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/04/amds-heterogeneous-uniform-memory-access-coming-this-year-in-kaveri/ (quick googled) ninja'd by 9k post, gz  | ||
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MysticNinja
United States13 Posts
I want to build my Mom a computer for her birthday. She doesn't play any games and primarily uses her computer for web browsing. She does use Photoshop to modify pictures or create some basic flyers or graphics and also uses Quickbooks to help maintain the business. This will be the first computer I've built. I have upgraded my computer before and have watched a friend build one before too. I'm excited to try this for the first time but I'm nervous about choosing the right components. Any help/tips you could provide me before I start to build would be super appreciated! Basic info in spoiler: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? I'd like to spend somewhere around $400. I've already purchased Windows 7. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? none. It will primarily be used for Photoshop and Quickbooks. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Photoshop, Quickbooks, and web browsing. Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. I like New Egg, but really I have no preferences I noticed in the Sample Builds section the first option came out to $385: + Show Spoiler + BASIC GAMER 1080p low settings, video card upgrade ready Processor (CPU)[image loading] $135 [image loading] AMD A10-6800k Motherboard[image loading] $60 [image loading] MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Memory (RAM)[image loading] $60 [image loading] G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB 2133MHz Primary Storage[image loading] $55 [image loading] Western Digital Blue 500GB Power Supply (PSU)[image loading] $45 [image loading] Corsair CX430 Case[image loading] $30 [image loading] NZXT Source 210 Black Total: $385 before mail-in rebates, taxes, shipping, and other applicable fees Is this build still a good choice? I also found this build on reddit: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2HU0t Between the two builds which one is better? I should note that the computer will need wireless connection capabilities. A wired connection would be a huge headache that I'd like to avoid for the time being. I noticed that some Motherboards come with Wireless Lan 802.11 b/g/n. Like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130664 If I purchase a motherboard with this on it does it mean I wouldn't need to buy a wireless network card? Or is this something else entirely? Also, I noticed that many cases come with fans already. I know in general, more fans mean cooler components which equals better for your parts, but should I purchase more fans? I want the computer to last a long time but I don't want to spend money on fans that could be better spent elsewhere to improve performance. Thanks so much in advance! I really appreciate you putting up the resources available here! I've been finding them extremely helpful! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On February 17 2014 23:54 MysticNinja wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hey TL, I want to build my Mom a computer for her birthday. She doesn't play any games and primarily uses her computer for web browsing. She does use Photoshop to modify pictures or create some basic flyers or graphics and also uses Quickbooks to help maintain the business. This will be the first computer I've built. I have upgraded my computer before and have watched a friend build one before too. I'm excited to try this for the first time but I'm nervous about choosing the right components. Any help/tips you could provide me before I start to build would be super appreciated! Basic info in spoiler: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? I'd like to spend somewhere around $400. I've already purchased Windows 7. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? none. It will primarily be used for Photoshop and Quickbooks. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Photoshop, Quickbooks, and web browsing. Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. I like New Egg, but really I have no preferences I noticed in the Sample Builds section the first option came out to $385: + Show Spoiler + BASIC GAMER 1080p low settings, video card upgrade ready Processor (CPU)[image loading] $135 [image loading] AMD A10-6800k Motherboard[image loading] $60 [image loading] MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Memory (RAM)[image loading] $60 [image loading] G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB 2133MHz Primary Storage[image loading] $55 [image loading] Western Digital Blue 500GB Power Supply (PSU)[image loading] $45 [image loading] Corsair CX430 Case[image loading] $30 [image loading] NZXT Source 210 Black Total: $385 before mail-in rebates, taxes, shipping, and other applicable fees Is this build still a good choice? I also found this build on reddit: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2HU0t Between the two builds which one is better? I should note that the computer will need wireless connection capabilities. A wired connection would be a huge headache that I'd like to avoid for the time being. I noticed that some Motherboards come with Wireless Lan 802.11 b/g/n. Like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130664 If I purchase a motherboard with this on it does it mean I wouldn't need to buy a wireless network card? Or is this something else entirely? Also, I noticed that many cases come with fans already. I know in general, more fans mean cooler components which equals better for your parts, but should I purchase more fans? I want the computer to last a long time but I don't want to spend money on fans that could be better spent elsewhere to improve performance. Thanks so much in advance! I really appreciate you putting up the resources available here! I've been finding them extremely helpful! A Core i3 Haswell would be a better option than an AMD A10 in your mother's case. Either the Core i3 4330 for $125 (w/ promo code EMCPHWF93, ends 2/17): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116945 or Core i3 4130 (w/ promo code EMCPHWG64, ends 2/19): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116946 Every case includes at least one fan and will be adequate in keeping the components at reasonable operating temperatures. Adding additional fans isn't necessary. Having your CPU run at 40c rather than 50c is not going to make a notceiable difference. The Fractal Design Core 1000 is a good option right now at $30: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352032 Some motherboards, mainly ITX boards, do come with built-in WiFi. They are more expensive though than getting the motherboard and WiFi card separately. You do not need to purchase a WiFi card if you decide to get a motherboard with built-in WiFi. I have no idea why anyone would pick a server power supply for a consumer build. I'm pretty sure it doesn't even fit in the case selected. Not to mention it also doesn't have any PCIe connectors so it limits you in the future, say if you want to add a video card or put it in another build with a video card. | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
 Much appreciated, thanks! | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
You're probably talking about this: http://www.logicalincrements.com/ which is questionable to say the least... | ||
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On February 18 2014 01:07 Thalandros wrote: By the way, I just want to say thanks to everyone that helped me, Cyro most of all, because I've purchased my i5 4670 about a week ago and I'm really happy with it (using a B85 Gigabyte mobo), running SC2 1v1 on Extreme at about 80 FPS stable, being able to run Planetside 2 at almost max settings with 60FPS and it even made my PC slightly faster too? Much appreciated, thanks!^.^ I must point out though it kinda matters a lot where/how you take FPS numbers. On sc2 you're capable of at least a few hundred fps at start of game on any settings with stock i5 (if i remove gpu limits on low, i've seen 800's with OC) and on ps2 i've seen >200fps too (med-ish settings because gpu would hold back) but both games will go waay lower in extreme cases I'm thinking more again about a benchmark thread. This would be impossible for Planetside 2 but could throw in at least a few sc2 replays and x264 bench zip with updated encoder etc | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
IIRC looked kinda held back by memory/rop's but extremely power efficient We're in a bit of a weird state atm because a few people from public went out and bought the cards yesterday, but NDA is still up. The people giving info don't have professional setups for measuring noise or vs other cards etc, the people with those setups can't actually post stats These are 28nm Maxwell and given the way that they are uh spreading through OCN members systems, they'll probably be "officially" launched soon | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On February 18 2014 09:43 Myrmidon wrote: Hm, they're pretty much chucking a stock Intel cooler on the chip there. I guess TDP is lower than modern quad core LGA 115x processors, so that's not a problem. Indeed when you're consuming 60 watt at boost clocks it's quite laughable. That might also be mis-labeled and be a 750, not a 750ti. There's two video's - that's the worse of the coolers Kinda excited to see what performance/efficiency/price changes come with 28/20nm maxwell, would be nice for something to blow my 770 out of the water without costing ~£520 (780ti) and have a better memory solution so i didn't feel bad about sli potential, 770/280x is nowhere near maxing many games for 1080p120/1440p60 | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
NDA lifts at midnight fyi. | ||
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