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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
February 14 2014 19:10 GMT
#4421
Regarding the cooling and that the PC has to work at least five years... will an all-in-one cooler like what's chosen on this PC really keep working after all that time or does the pump typically give out after a bunch of years? What's with the chance for leaks? What do the manufacturers promise?
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
February 14 2014 19:12 GMT
#4422
On February 15 2014 04:10 Ropid wrote:
Regarding the cooling and that the PC has to work at least five years... will an all-in-one cooler like what's chosen on this PC really keep working after all that time or does the pump typically give out after a bunch of years? What's with the chance for leaks? What do the manufacturers promise?


I see no point to use the low budget 120mm clc. It's completely insufficient for overclocking a 4770k and a liability at stock like you say
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Luxferre
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada16 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 19:27:52
February 14 2014 19:21 GMT
#4423
Yeah seriously, building it wasnt in my plan at all... but its like ikea furniture, with better explanations in the booklets. Oh and more durable hardware ahah

Check out my build: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20786270, that will be way under your budget and youll be able to actually ADD an SSD and get a better GPU
"What doesn't kill you requires more macro" "Life is 10% what happens to you, 90% APM"
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
February 15 2014 02:40 GMT
#4424
I'm most likely going to build this weekend and I'm looking for a help on a last few things:

How significant will the difference in HSF between ~$30 Hyper 212+ and ~$50 Zalman/True Spirit? And 140mm vs 120mm?

Memory: 1333 vs 1600?

And will a 550M Capstone be sufficient for overclocking? Also, I plan on having 2 HDDs (not RAID), with a possible SSD in the future.

Should I plan on buying extra case fans? And how much/which one would be decent, assuming noise isn't a factor.

How long does building + installing basic stuff + getting a stable overclock (complete OC'ing beginner here) usually take? I had hoped to spend this 3 day weekend (President's weekend) building it but I haven't bought the parts yet and might get most of them online. And speaking of President's weekend, any deals going around? Checked Newegg but doesn't seem to be anything.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
February 15 2014 02:50 GMT
#4425
How significant will the difference in HSF between ~$30 Hyper 212+ and ~$50 Zalman/True Spirit? And 140mm vs 120mm?


Basically all of your questions depend on specs, what are they?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 02:53:49
February 15 2014 02:53 GMT
#4426
i5 4670k, Z87 AsRock Extreme4, G.skill Sniper 2x4GB 1600, Sapphire 7850 1GB, 1TB Caviar Blue 7200 + 2 TB Seagate Barracuda 5400. Case probably a 200r.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 15 2014 03:40 GMT
#4427
There's absolutely no reason to buy 1333MHz memory. 1600MHz memory is often the same price and 1866MHz+ memory is often $5 more.

Corsair 200R won't fit a True Spirit 140. True Spirit 140 is 170mm in height while a Corsair 200R only has clearance for 160mm. Not sure what Zalman you're talking about but the flower ones aren't very good asides from looking nice.

Yes, Capstone 550m is more than enough. 4670k + 7850 is going to hover somewhere around 200w.

If this is your first time building then it's probably going to take you a good half of the day.
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
February 15 2014 04:13 GMT
#4428
Alright, thanks for the help. If I did want to go with the True Spirit, what case would fit it? I'm thinking ~$80, and I like ones with front mesh and, if possible, LED fans for the front though I could just buy them separately.

Also, I'm looking for a GPU that can run League of Legends and SC2 on max settings though it seems that crypto-currency mining have raised the prices for the cards I had been eyeing...
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 15 2014 04:30 GMT
#4429
7850 is discontinued so it's a bad buy unless you're buying it at under $140?

Starcraft II and League of Legends aren't graphically intensive games. A GTX 650 Ti around $120 can run both games on max.

If you want mesh than look at the Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 or Corsair Carbide 400R (white LEDs). Both are around $90.
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
February 15 2014 04:37 GMT
#4430
Oh, I have a 7850 in my current build that I'm going to put on my new build. I just wanted an extra gpu for the build I have right now just for light-ish gaming.

As for the case, I really like the Arc Midi R2, I saw it awhile ago and I really think I might finally get it!
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
February 15 2014 04:48 GMT
#4431
If it's not urgent, wait a little to see the price for the GTX 750 Ti which comes out this month. It can run without extra power connector, so that might be a sweet choice for that second PC if it ends up being as cheap as the current GTX 650 Ti. It actually might end up being better than your HD 7850.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
February 15 2014 04:59 GMT
#4432
Hmm, I think I will wait. I've just been excited to do a full build that I've wanted to buy ASAP but if there's a chance that prices will go down and stuff will be released, I'll just wait then. Since RAM and GPU prices went up, I got scared that things might go up. Also, Microcenter is out of stock so I can't pricematch until they have it. Might as well wait then. Anything else significant that might change in price/be released?
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 15 2014 07:22 GMT
#4433
Yeah that 750 Ti is a card I'm looking quite forward to seeing action.
maru lover forever
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
February 15 2014 15:27 GMT
#4434
Ok so here's a build, I think it's pretty "monster". Remember that gaming is not the primary thing, it's about animation and rendering.(The 3D programs are heavy on GPU and RAM, and Rendering is hard on Procceses and GPU)

Nzxt Technologies Phantom with Green Trim (Green LED) Enthusiast Full Tower Case - Phan-002Gr (Black) 120$

NZXT Technologies KRAKEN X60 Premium 280MM Ultra Performance Liquid CPU Cooler RL-KRX60-01 Black 120$

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound 3.5 Grams 8$

Asus 24x DVD-RW Serial-ATA Internal OEM Optical Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black) 23$

Gigabyte GTX780 Ti GDDR5-3GB 2xDVI/HDMI/DP OC Graphics Cards GV-N78TOC-3GD 720$

NZXT Technologies HALE90 V2 850W ATX12V/EPS12V Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply NP-1GM-0850A 200$

Asus VS248H-P 24-Inch Full-HD LED Monitor 165$ (x2)

Seagate Barracuda 3 TB HDD SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 64MB Cache 7200 RPM 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST3000DM001 110$

Samsung Electronics 840 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Single Unit Version Internal Solid State Drive MZ-7TE500BW 300$

Kingston HyperX Blu 16GB Kit (2x8 GB Modules) 1600MHz 240-pin DDR3 Non-ECC CL10 Desktop Memory KHX1600C10D3B1K2/16G 170$

Intel Core i7-4770K Quad-Core Desktop Processor 3.5 GHZ 8 MB Cache BX80646I74770K 310$

MSI Computer Corp. Motherboard ATX DDR3 1333 LGA 1150 Motherboards Z87-G45 GAMING 160$

The total is 2 570$, I would be buying everything in amazon, in order to get everything at the same time.

I'm not sure about gigabyte GPU or getting this one EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti, 3GB, 3072MB. same Price.

Is this good? too much?
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 16:11:32
February 15 2014 16:11 GMT
#4435
Don't buy Arctic Silver 5. It's old. If you want Arctic, choose "Arctic MX-4". You also have one application of good thermal paste that you'll get with the Kraken X60 so you might not need anything.

I don't like the cooler, but that's just opinion. I'd rather have an air cooler like for example Noctua NH-U14S for $75 or Phanteks PH-TC14PE for $85.

The RAM is slow. You should be able to find something that's not much more expensive at 2133 speed or so.

The motherboard might be a little crappy and its price seems like a joke.

Regarding the graphics card, I'd look for whatever is the most quiet card. I think that EVGA you mention is "blower style" so it's perhaps noisy? There's another EVGA that's "open air" like the Gigabyte. [If you look at pictures, you'll understand what those terms mean.]

For that price, I'd want a PSU around 650W to 750W that's "Platinum" rated instead of Gold. That will still be good enough for a possible second graphics card.

I don't know if the monitor is good for work. You should ask in the monitor thread.

I think if it would be for myself, I'd build a PC that's a lot more modest and a lot cheaper even if it's for work, instead use the money to buy two or three better monitors or something. You should know best what your programs need. There might be some threads for choosing parts in whatever forums you read regarding your programs.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 15 2014 16:33 GMT
#4436
I cringe everytime I see people get 60Hz TN monitors with a high-end computer.

As mentioned, 1600MHz memory for $160 is really bad? Just a quick gives you 1866MHz for the same price: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007GWMR6U/

You probably don't need anything better than a Z87X-D3H or Z87X-UD3H if you want to be spendy.. If you care about sound, I think you're better off getting a sound card than having whatever Creative chipset MSI elected to put on the G45 Gaming.

Hale90 v2 is good but probably questionable at $200.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
February 15 2014 17:57 GMT
#4437
I cringe everytime I see people get 60Hz TN monitors with a high-end computer.


I didn't used to agree, i do now. A lot of places have really cheap monitors (UK pays like 1.7x as much as US does for example) and you can get way better stuff
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
February 15 2014 20:02 GMT
#4438
http://www.amazon.com/PA248Q-24-Inch-LED-Lit-Professional-Graphics/dp/B008DWH00K/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1392494017&sr=1-1&keywords=asus 24 inch ips This is a better monitor then? yet double the money?

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GA-Z87X-UD3H-Desktop-Motherboard-Chipset-/dp/B00CU4L508/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1392494257&sr=1-1&keywords=Z87X-UD3H

Better Motherboard then the msi i had?

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Professional-Modular-Platinum-AX760/dp/B00A0HZMEM/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1392494417&sr=1-3&keywords=platinum power supply Better power supply? giving its platinum rated.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007GWMR6U/ changed memory to this

Any other suggestions?


Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43821 Posts
February 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#4439
Successfully emigrated but my old computer won't power up. I have a UK to US plug adaptor but when I put it in the big a green light near the power socket on the PC lights up and an orange light on the mobo lights up but the computer itself won't power up and those two lights fade. Everything was well padded and there is no visible damage or unseating of wires so I'm thinking it might be a problem with the wire itself. The adaptor itself has no ground pin if that's relevant. Is it worth ordering a US power lead for my computer? And what does those lights coming on and then fading mean?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 15 2014 20:54 GMT
#4440
I assume your power supply is old and has a red switch on the back to set voltage? Europe uses 230v while America mainly uses 115v so make sure the switch is set to 115v.
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