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On February 12 2014 19:03 Incognoto wrote:But people are paying hundreds of €/$ just for a desktop background if this is true. Depending on how good the service packs are I guess they're also a part of the package but I'm really surprised. Also, the hell is this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/swTfFM7.png) Found this on amazon randomly. Mining rig set up?
Yea that's miner rig
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Just wondering, what are your opinions on the sapphire toxic r9 280x? One of my friends is planning on buying one, as his is dying. He just wants it for general gaming.
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Good, but if it's a decent buy or not is highly dependent on price
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Well the cheapest I can find it in UK at the moment is £224.66 (~$370), although that is a preorder for the next batch of stock, would you say it was worth it? Also, he was talking to me about general things he was planning on buying, I can't remember the specifics but he said he thinks he should get a 750w power supply. Is it just me, or is that huge?
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If he's not doing Crossfire then yes it would be huge. Quality > Quantity.
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Not sure about 280x but nvidia's competitor (the 680/770) pulls only about 170-200w at max OC. With a modern intel quad core for example, anything over a 450w PSU would be excessive for one of them
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What is your budget?
It really depens I will go up to 800 €
What is your monitor's native resolution?
It is at 1920x1080 at 24"
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
I'm going to play Starcraft 2 mainly on Ultra/middle settings .
I would try out more demanding games like BF4.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Especially streaming would be a very nice thing to have. No editing/rendering/photoshoping.
Do you intend to overclock?
I have no intends to do so , but if it's idiot-prooved and increases my settings I would try it.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Nope.
Do you need an operating system?
Nope.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Nope.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
amazon.de , Germany
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
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On February 13 2014 02:56 Quantum314 wrote:
Well the cheapest I can find it in UK at the moment is £224.66 (~$370), although that is a preorder for the next batch of stock, would you say it was worth it? Also, he was talking to me about general things he was planning on buying, I can't remember the specifics but he said he thinks he should get a 750w power supply. Is it just me, or is that huge?
Is that the 280X with the Tri-X cooler? Tri-X cooler is one of the best heatsinks you can find on AMD cards at the moment, if I'm unmistaken, this goes for R9 290s and 280Xs.
$370 is a pretty good price such a card, they're like $500 in the USA right now, LUL.
Edit: @Tokikong
With that budget, I think you can try to build something around an i5 4670 and a decent GPU such as the GTX 770 / R9 280X. Couple that with an H81 or B85 motherboard and 8 Gb of RAM, as well as a decent but not too expensive case and PSU, you should get yourself a nice little system capable of doing what you described. It should play any game at ultra settings at 1080p and the 4670 is definitely capable of streaming thanks to x264.
This should fit in an €800 budget, however you may have to skip the SSD and stick to using hard drives for now. A good HDD isn't that slow really and you can add an SSD at a later date if you so wish for. SSDs are nice and stuff but when once everything is loaded up what really counts is the strength of your CPU/GPU. That's why I would recommend a 770/280X and an i5 as your build's "core". Everything else should be built around that core.
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Holy fuckin' shit. Thank you so much guys!!!! Just put together my PC and it damn well booted up!!!
I still need to install Windows via USB, figure out where the hell to plug my fans into and an every single YouTube guide I watched failed to point out I should install the back panel guard first before the motherboard (loool), but sheeet!
Thank you all so much, reading this thread has been so unbelievably helpful. Do something like this was literally unimaginable until I started lurking here about a year ago.
Will post back once all is sorted but until then -
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sigh... bought an i7 4770k, z87x-d3h, and a noctua d-14 ($70 cooler) and replaced my i5 3570k, p8z77-lk, and enermax ets cooler ($30 cooler) and everything just went to shit. sad $400 "upgrade"
had a ton of issues with not having enough room setting up my shit and dropping screws everywhere causing me to remount the damn thing and even putting one of my fan plugs on the wrong side of the mobo ...
then worst of all,
boot times are up from 18 sec to 30+ from power to the metro screen in win 8.1 even after reformatting, the noctua is a hell of a lot louder than my other cooler and my frames in LoL have gone from 140-200+ to 70-80.
granted, i haven't overclocked yet but it shouldn't be this much of a deal should it? also, what are good stock temps? i'm hitting 30-40c which i feel is high for stock...
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On February 14 2014 01:56 wussleeQ wrote:
sigh... bought an i7 4770k, z87x-d3h, and a noctua d-14 ($70 cooler) and replaced my i5 3570k, p8z77-lk, and enermax ets cooler ($30 cooler) and everything just went to shit. sad $400 "upgrade"
had a ton of issues with not having enough room setting up my shit and dropping screws everywhere causing me to remount the damn thing and even putting one of my fan plugs on the wrong side of the mobo ...
then worst of all,
boot times are up from 18 sec to 30+ from power to the metro screen in win 8.1 even after reformatting, the noctua is a hell of a lot louder than my other cooler and my frames in LoL have gone from 140-200+ to 70-80.
granted, i haven't overclocked yet but it shouldn't be this much of a deal should it? also, what are good stock temps? i'm hitting 30-40c which i feel is high for stock...
Are your fans at 100% all of the time or something? My silver arrow fans @1300rpm are way quieter than my graphics card and they don't pass like 600-800rpm in sc2/LoL on pwm, at my max OC. Even at max, nh-d14 is supposed to be quiet cooler.
Your boot time shouldn't be that. I timed a desktop to desktop restart at 17 seconds (on windows 7!) with my old ssd (350MB/s read, 55k IOPS - newer ssd's have ~550 read, >90k IOPS) so that indicates a pretty big problem.
LoL FPS, completely completely broken too. Not sure why - 70-80fps? This is the worst FPS i have on record for LoL - http://i.imgur.com/IJjelfq.jpg - forgive the terrible adc mid-last-year :D - and it's usually in like the 300's at start of lane
When are you quoting the 30-40c? At idle, your temps should be about 6-8c above case temps, i guess. It can vary a lot because of ambient temperatures, case airflow being bad/terrible, bad mounting/paste and then settings - Haswell in c7 state has almost no power usage. If your c-states are not set correctly, you can idle quite a bit higher - same if igpu is enabled, it can add a degree or two. Right now my idles after 15 seconds of realtemp open are ~32/28/29/26 min, ~36/33/47/38 max
Paying like $120 extra for nh-d14 and z87x-d3h is a complete waste of money if you're not going to overclock and even then, having stock i7 is a worse way to spend money than having overclocked i5 (as oc'd i5 would rival/beat i7 in many threaded tasks and have a big lead in tasks that did not scale with ht)
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Boot times are mostly because of the motherboard and POST time. On a mobo with more controllers, features, and stuff to check, it can take longer.
NH-D14 isn't actually quiet at full speeds or near it, just not as loud as some options. Anyway, that depends on what fan speeds you're running, so assuming the cooler is mounted properly, you need to adjust the fan control settingss.
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So my motherboard has fan controllers, but all my fans just have manual switches and molex adapters. How would you hook up the fans to be automatigically controlled?
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What connectors do the fans have (3-pin? 4-pin?), how many fans are there, and what board do you have?
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NH-D14 isn't actually quiet at full speeds or near it
People have different standards for quiet :D
Since kepler is so goddamn stupid with throttling unless you flash an unofficial bios, i have to run my windforce cooler at like 3000rpm to maintain a 40c delta on the gpu when case is hot from combined cpu+gpu load so that it doesn't cut my GPU clocks from like 1293 to ~1200 which sounds like a tornado compared to cpu fans at 1300rpm (and they're whispers at 600rpm)
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Couldn't the poor boot time also have something to do with AHCI/IDE mode in the BIOS? You need to make sure it's in AHCI (for an SSD).
18 seconds is kind of slow even, Win 7 boots in less than 15 seconds (probably less than 10) on my rig.
Sounds like your rig isn't running properly overall, though I think that the hardware isn't the problem, rather it's how they're set up that is the problem. So I don't think your upgrade is a problem, you just have to fix everything first (for some reason).
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SSD should be on AHCI. I'll probably just reseat everything and clean out the case and reformat again on the weekend when I'm less busy. Thanks for the help and any other help I might get though!
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Mother of god, built my PC in december, wish i'd seen this back then!
I built mine after a long time being out of the scene for parts and computer builds... so i had to relearn everything.
Building it
I got the parts on my table.. and i was kinda intimidated by the fact i wanted to cheap out and assemble it myself. BEST
IDEA EVER though. All the different manuals explain in detail what to do... and its like all the manufacturers complement each other with their instructions... i did take me a while to put everything together (damn frickin little pins for USB and sound, etc) but afterwards, the sense of accomplishment was over nine-thousand i tell ya.
The build
Ended up with the following:
CPU i5 4670k
Mobo: Asus Z87-A
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB
GPU: EVGA Geforce 660 superclocked (2GB DDR5)
HDD: 1 TB (Dont remember which brand)
SSD: (to be purchased this year)
PSU: EVGA Gold 600w
Case: Corsair 200r
Wifi/Bluetooth: Gigabyte BT 4.0 w/ 300mbps wifi (dont remember the specs on it)
Optic Drive: LG DVD-RW 8x (?!)
Screen: ASUS VE247h
Keyboard: Corsair Raptor K30
Mouse: Logitech G500s
Future plans:
Some time this year if i bank in enough overtime at work ill be getting another 8gb for RAM and ill drop an SSD in (probably will have to reinstall most of the stuff though  )
Im thinking this setup will last me for a while ...mostly after ive done the upgrades i mentionned here. But in the meantime i can play every games i have (including FarCry3) at max settings with no lag.
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So I asked Mac or PC a few days ago, that was a silly question considering I didin't had any explanations on why.
I've been a mac user all my life, used PC in College and Work. I'm a 3D/2D animator, so getting the best stuff for design and animation software is the priority.
Gaming I only play SC2, Diablo 3, and League of Legends ocasianly,besides those games, I don't play anything else on the computer.
However I think I can get a better "Kick" on the PC for the same price of the mac. But I Don't really understand the benefits of each one.
I've been thinking thta the new Mac Pro is an option, However its 3k Dollars just for a stock one, without a good Display, adding a 27 inch Display would add up 1k dollars, meaning the total cost is 4k dollars, without shipping.
So since I really don't know anything about computers, If I could spend 4k dollars on a PC what would be the optimal build, why, and why choose this?
Sorry for bad grammar
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4k display or 3x 27" (1440p) displays
4770k
16gb or 32gb RAM
256gb SSD
gtx 760
would be the gists of it. Of course you don't have to spend crazy on the displays but the computer itself would just come to about under $1500 so you have lots left over...
You basically buy a Mac for Apple's support. Have a problem? Don't worry, just take it to the Apple store. Some people just don't want to or can't deal with troubleshooting and RMA'ing.
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