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On September 03 2013 21:58 Tivu wrote:Edit: I totally forgot about the Questionnaire. Sorry. Here it is: What is your budget?$2000 is what I would like to stay around but I can go more if needed. + Show Spoiler +
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1080p
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
SC2, WoW, Splinter Cell: Blacklist, and GTA5 when it comes out. I was playing Black Ops 2 but I took a break since Multiplayer was pissing me off.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Plan on streaming games on Twitch and putting my vods on youtube. I also plan on getting into video editing but I'll probably do that on my laptop. I already have a mic and webcam.
Do you intend to overclock?
Yes.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, Windows 8.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I need 1 monitor for now and plan getting another one in november during black friday/cyber monday maybe. I do need a keyboard and a mouse. I do have another mouse I could use in the mean time if everything does fit into my budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Newegg, Amazon, or NCIX.
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12P
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2
Power Supply: Corsair 760W 80 PLUS Platinum
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0"
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2013
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder 2013
Off the top of my head: kind of crappy monitor, not much reason to pay for the "Pro" suffix for a Samsung 840, more RAM than you can use, overpowered PSU, small case. I think that's an mATX case, too small for the mobo you list.
Now, completely ignoring your list, here's what I'd do with your budget. Well I'll put in Win 8 instead of 7 for you (spit spit).
First off: peripherals, OS, and monitor to get those out of the way. Subtotal: $521 Note you might also want some speakers since it seems like you're starting totally from scratch. Take them out if you don't need them for whatever reason.
+ Show Spoiler +Monitor: QNIX QX2710 LED Evolution Ⅱ (~$290) A 27" 2560x1440 PLS monitor. Better than the dinky crap monitor you selected. You'll find this on E-bay (should be plenty of resellers), since they're purchased in South Korea then shipped here. Big size, good reviews, good resolution. Somewhat risky if only because, well, you're purchasing through e-bay. There are other options to consider. But this is what I'd go with, heh. Also, see Myrmidon's post. OS: Windows Ew ($100) Note you want the 64-bit OEM version. Buy wherever you can find it on sale for under $100. Mouse: Mionix Naos 3200 ($61 - bestest mouse ever. Trust me, you never knew you needed a pinky rest 'til you had one) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57406&vpn=NAOS3200&manufacture=MionixKeyboard: Razer Blackwidow ($70) I wouldn't get a mechanical keyboard at all myself, but I'm cheap like that. Even so, we're compromising, because I couldn't bring myself to pay $70 more for the back-lighting & 10-key addition of the Blackwidow Ultimate). Even if I did get a mechanical keyboard, it'd probably be some other one, but I don't feel like shopping forever and maybe there's something about Razer/Blackwidow you really like. http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57406&vpn=NAOS3200&manufacture=MionixCheap Speakers: $15 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1NV0RS4183Not just speakers, but also an FM radio! BUT WAIT, THERE"S MORE!!!!!11one!! Not only is this radio capable of playing computer beeps, but it can also heat your aromatherapy oil! (I am not kidding.) If that's not enough, this handy-dandy do it all device will function as a night light, with your choice of colors! It beeps, it scares away scawwy night monsters, it heals your chi, what can't this magic device do? Sound quality not guaranteed.
Supporting Components: $490 (case, storage, power supply, optical drive, RAM)
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Core Components (and sound card): $738 (CPU, CPU-cooler, mobo, video card, sound card)
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Total: $1618, giving you plenty of room for the odd upgrade/part disagreement with me, a secondary non-gaming monitor, a better desk chair (search TL for "chair thread" to get to SkyR's OTHER Tech Support masterpiece), good headphones, whatever.
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On September 04 2013 09:36 MisterFred wrote:Off the top of my head: kind of crappy monitor, not much reason to pay for the "Pro" suffix for a Samsung 840, more RAM than you can use, overpowered PSU, small case. I think that's an mATX case, too small for the mobo you list. Now, completely ignoring your list, here's what I'd do with your budget. Well I'll put in Win 8 instead of 7 for you (spit spit). First off: peripherals, OS, and monitor to get those out of the way. Subtotal: $521 Note you might also want some speakers since it seems like you're starting totally from scratch. Take them out if you don't need them for whatever reason. + Show Spoiler +Monitor: QNIX QX2710 LED Evolution Ⅱ (~$290) A 27" 2560x1440 PLS monitor. Better than the dinky crap monitor you selected. You'll find this on E-bay (should be plenty of resellers), since they're purchased in South Korea then shipped here. Big size, good reviews, good resolution. Somewhat risky if only because, well, you're purchasing through e-bay. There are other options to consider. But this is what I'd go with, heh. Also, see Myrmidon's post. OS: Windows Ew ($100) Note you want the 64-bit OEM version. Buy wherever you can find it on sale for under $100. Mouse: Mionix Naos 3200 ($61 - bestest mouse ever. Trust me, you never knew you needed a pinky rest 'til you had one) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57406&vpn=NAOS3200&manufacture=MionixKeyboard: Razer Blackwidow ($70) I wouldn't get a mechanical keyboard at all myself, but I'm cheap like that. Even so, we're compromising, because I couldn't bring myself to pay $70 more for the back-lighting & 10-key addition of the Blackwidow Ultimate). Even if I did get a mechanical keyboard, it'd probably be some other one, but I don't feel like shopping forever and maybe there's something about Razer/Blackwidow you really like. http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57406&vpn=NAOS3200&manufacture=MionixCheap Speakers: $15 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1NV0RS4183Not just speakers, but also an FM radio! BUT WAIT, THERE"S MORE!!!!!11one!! Not only is this radio capable of playing computer beeps, but it can also heat your aromatherapy oil! (I am not kidding.) If that's not enough, this handy-dandy do it all device will function as a night light, with your choice of colors! It beeps, it scares away scawwy night monsters, it heals your chi, what can't this magic device do? Sound quality not guaranteed. Supporting Components: $490 (case, storage, power supply, optical drive, RAM) + Show Spoiler +Core Components (and sound card): $738 (CPU, CPU-cooler, mobo, video card, sound card) + Show Spoiler +Total: $1618, giving you plenty of room for the odd upgrade/part disagreement with me, a secondary non-gaming monitor, a better desk chair (search TL for "chair thread" to get to SkyR's OTHER Tech Support masterpiece), good headphones, whatever.
The case is actually a ATX Mid Tower Case. Check for yourself.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352031
I have Steelseries Siberia V2 headphones. So I won't need speakers but I might check out sound card you listed. The monitor you listed is WAY too big for me and I have never heard of that brand name before. I have never had the best experience with AMD graphics cards and I have never had any problems with Nvidia. As for the cpu part, I really haven't made up my mind yet on the cpu and I do have a laptop that I can do all of my video editing on which has an I7 in it. And if I do go that route, I will go with 8GBs ram. I looked at the monitor that Myrmidon posted and I am going to spend a little more money on getting a better one. It's funny that you don't like windows 8 since it is faster than 7 especially with an SSD. Add the start8 from stardock and you have windows that everyone loved and know before 8 came out with the stupid ass layout. As for the keyboard and mouse...I will probably get a different keyboard but one with Cherry MX Blue in it and I really like the deathadder mouse(used it over at a friend's house)and I can get cheap it through him who works at bestbuy.
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Well, after breaking my laptop, deciding to try building a new desktop, and needing several days to educate myself on all these parts, I can safely agree that it's a significant learning experience for someone like me with very little tech knowledge.
I was hoping to use the "typical gamer" (~$865) template. I'm not sure, however, if I actually need to spend that much to reach the minimum level of performance I'm content with (basically, hearthstone, sc2, and dota 2 on medium settings); and if in fact I don't, if spending that extra money will dramatically improve the gaming experience and/or let me keep using the system an appreciably time longer than going for a much cheaper one would.
More specifically, looking over the parts, it seems like I could save the most on the storage: either getting a 120gb ssd instead of 250gb or not getting a ssd at all. Is this correct, and/or should I be looking elsewhere in the setup to save money?
Intel Core i5-4670: $220
MSI B85M-G43: $80
G.Skill Ripjaws 2x4GB: $60
Sapphire Radeon HD7870 GHz Edition OC 2GB: $185 (and newegg says it comes with 2 free games!)
Samsung 840 250GB: $175
Western Digital Blue 500GB: $55
Rosewill Capstone 450: $60
Corsair Carbide 200R: $60
Total: $895
What is your budget?
Hoping to get under $1000 incl. peripherals and software, though 100-200 over is acceptable
What is your monitor's native resolution?
I need to buy a monitor too...
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Primarily SC2, Dota2, and Hearthstone, and possibly civ 5, far cry 3, Deus ex, mass effect 3. I'm comfortable with flashy games on medium, though of course I enjoy higher.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Nothing demanding.
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes. At first glance I don't like the look of Windows 8 though.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, everything besides a mouse - monitor, speakers, keyboard, cd/dvd drive
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None
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Dropping the SSD is the easiest way to save money. Some small things you could also do is:
Change the case to NZXT Source 210 for $40, I personally think it's a better case than 200R.
Drop the 2x4GB for a 2x2GB Ram kit as I believe the motherboard has 4 Ram slots so you could buy another 2x2GB kit later if needed. That should save $30.
Go with a cheaper Graphics card as only the 'possibly' games are demanding.
The i5-4570 is $10 cheaper.
For monitor I suggest the ASUS vs229h-p for $130. It doesn't come with built in speakers though.
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On September 04 2013 12:06 jubil wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, after breaking my laptop, deciding to try building a new desktop, and needing several days to educate myself on all these parts, I can safely agree that it's a significant learning experience for someone like me with very little tech knowledge.
I was hoping to use the "typical gamer" (~$865) template. I'm not sure, however, if I actually need to spend that much to reach the minimum level of performance I'm content with (basically, hearthstone, sc2, and dota 2 on medium settings); and if in fact I don't, if spending that extra money will dramatically improve the gaming experience and/or let me keep using the system an appreciably time longer than going for a much cheaper one would.
More specifically, looking over the parts, it seems like I could save the most on the storage: either getting a 120gb ssd instead of 250gb or not getting a ssd at all. Is this correct, and/or should I be looking elsewhere in the setup to save money?
Intel Core i5-4670: $220
MSI B85M-G43: $80
G.Skill Ripjaws 2x4GB: $60
Sapphire Radeon HD7870 GHz Edition OC 2GB: $185 (and newegg says it comes with 2 free games!)
Samsung 840 250GB: $175
Western Digital Blue 500GB: $55
Rosewill Capstone 450: $60
Corsair Carbide 200R: $60
Total: $895
What is your budget?
Hoping to get under $1000 incl. peripherals and software, though 100-200 over is acceptable
What is your monitor's native resolution?
I need to buy a monitor too...
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Primarily SC2, Dota2, and Hearthstone, and possibly civ 5, far cry 3, Deus ex, mass effect 3. I'm comfortable with flashy games on medium, though of course I enjoy higher.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Nothing demanding.
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes. At first glance I don't like the look of Windows 8 though.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, everything besides a mouse - monitor, speakers, keyboard, cd/dvd drive
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None
Yes, you could drop down to a 120GB SSD or skip it entirely.
The Fractal Design Arc Mini for $60 is better at the same price: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=67628&promoid=1190 If you don't care about the case than you can save money here by dropping down to a Fractal Design Core 1000 or similar for $30-$40.
You can get a less expensive motherboard as well, Asrocks or H81's.
You can get the Core i5 4570 for ~$30 less instead: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CO8TA4I/
Less expensive graphics card is also an option, a Radeon HD7790 or GTX 650 Ti for ~$130 would be capable of playing most games on medium-high.
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On September 04 2013 12:39 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 04 2013 12:06 jubil wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, after breaking my laptop, deciding to try building a new desktop, and needing several days to educate myself on all these parts, I can safely agree that it's a significant learning experience for someone like me with very little tech knowledge.
I was hoping to use the "typical gamer" (~$865) template. I'm not sure, however, if I actually need to spend that much to reach the minimum level of performance I'm content with (basically, hearthstone, sc2, and dota 2 on medium settings); and if in fact I don't, if spending that extra money will dramatically improve the gaming experience and/or let me keep using the system an appreciably time longer than going for a much cheaper one would.
More specifically, looking over the parts, it seems like I could save the most on the storage: either getting a 120gb ssd instead of 250gb or not getting a ssd at all. Is this correct, and/or should I be looking elsewhere in the setup to save money?
Intel Core i5-4670: $220
MSI B85M-G43: $80
G.Skill Ripjaws 2x4GB: $60
Sapphire Radeon HD7870 GHz Edition OC 2GB: $185 (and newegg says it comes with 2 free games!)
Samsung 840 250GB: $175
Western Digital Blue 500GB: $55
Rosewill Capstone 450: $60
Corsair Carbide 200R: $60
Total: $895
What is your budget?
Hoping to get under $1000 incl. peripherals and software, though 100-200 over is acceptable
What is your monitor's native resolution?
I need to buy a monitor too...
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Primarily SC2, Dota2, and Hearthstone, and possibly civ 5, far cry 3, Deus ex, mass effect 3. I'm comfortable with flashy games on medium, though of course I enjoy higher.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Nothing demanding.
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes. At first glance I don't like the look of Windows 8 though.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, everything besides a mouse - monitor, speakers, keyboard, cd/dvd drive
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None Yes, you could drop down to a 120GB SSD or skip it entirely. The Fractal Design Arc Mini for $60 is better at the same price: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=67628&promoid=1190 If you don't care about the case than you can save money here by dropping down to a Fractal Design Core 1000 or similar for $30-$40. You can get a less expensive motherboard as well, Asrocks or H81's. You can get the Core i5 4570 for ~$30 less instead: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CO8TA4I/Less expensive graphics card is also an option, a Radeon HD7790 or GTX 650 Ti for ~$130 would be capable of playing most games on medium-high.
On September 04 2013 12:34 iTzSnypah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Dropping the SSD is the easiest way to save money. Some small things you could also do is:
Change the case to NZXT Source 210 for $40, I personally think it's a better case than 200R.
Drop the 2x4GB for a 2x2GB Ram kit as I believe the motherboard has 4 Ram slots so you could buy another 2x2GB kit later if needed. That should save $30.
Go with a cheaper Graphics card as only the 'possibly' games are demanding.
The i5-4570 is $10 cheaper.
For monitor I suggest the ASUS vs229h-p for $130. It doesn't come with built in speakers though.
Thank you both very much for the suggestions. With dropping the SSD and getting the Radeon HD7790 I'm very satisfied with the cost, and as I understand things, I can always add an SSD or buy a better GPU sometime in the future if necessary.
I was wondering though, about what makes those other cases better - more ventilation, more sturdy, better configuration? I've no particular attachment to the one I originally had, just curious about how to compare them since I've never really rooted around in one before.
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If you're comparing the Arc Mini and 200R then the Arc Mini has rubber gourmets, built-in fan controller, modular HDD cages, and an included top exhaust fan. All of which are missing from the 200R. And yes, the Arc Mini will have better airflow due to its mesh front, having an extra fan over the 200R, and being able to remove the unused secondary HDD cage.
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On September 04 2013 07:55 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I'm about to get Fractal Design Define Mini and Noctua NH-D14 for <80€ from my cousin, I just need to upgrade from my 13 year old server case with noisy 80mm fans -.- This would necessitate the purchase of a mATX mobo. Now, it seems AM3+ platform is dead, so getting a 70€ mATX motherboard for my 965 seems a bit of a waste. I am planning on upgrading in 1-2 years anyways once I'm back from abroad.
So, all this in mind, there seems to be 3 differing courses of action available:
1. Get the AM3+ mobo. Upgrade later on to FX8350 or bite the bullet and build a whole new system.
2. Get FM2 mobo and a CPU close or slightly more powerful than the existing processor.
3. Wait until 2014 and get FM2+ mobo and processor. (and hope the NH D-14 fits on FM2+)
Which one do you think would be the best long term option? I guess it's not a super serious question, I just enjoy getting the most value out of my parts/builds. I think I'm starting to lean on 3, especially if FM2 is dead too?( Carrizo going to be compatible with FM2+)
Can't believe I left this out: I'd be ready to spend about 200€ on a new mobo and processor. I want 4-cores and a motherboard I can use in the future. I doubt I will need the performance of the OC'able Intel CPU's. If the FX8350 is such a small improvement from my phenom, I'm thinking it's a waste investing in that architecture.
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On September 04 2013 11:10 Tivu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 09:36 MisterFred wrote:Off the top of my head: kind of crappy monitor, not much reason to pay for the "Pro" suffix for a Samsung 840, more RAM than you can use, overpowered PSU, small case. I think that's an mATX case, too small for the mobo you list. Now, completely ignoring your list, here's what I'd do with your budget. Well I'll put in Win 8 instead of 7 for you (spit spit). First off: peripherals, OS, and monitor to get those out of the way. Subtotal: $521 Note you might also want some speakers since it seems like you're starting totally from scratch. Take them out if you don't need them for whatever reason. + Show Spoiler +Monitor: QNIX QX2710 LED Evolution Ⅱ (~$290) A 27" 2560x1440 PLS monitor. Better than the dinky crap monitor you selected. You'll find this on E-bay (should be plenty of resellers), since they're purchased in South Korea then shipped here. Big size, good reviews, good resolution. Somewhat risky if only because, well, you're purchasing through e-bay. There are other options to consider. But this is what I'd go with, heh. Also, see Myrmidon's post. OS: Windows Ew ($100) Note you want the 64-bit OEM version. Buy wherever you can find it on sale for under $100. Mouse: Mionix Naos 3200 ($61 - bestest mouse ever. Trust me, you never knew you needed a pinky rest 'til you had one) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57406&vpn=NAOS3200&manufacture=MionixKeyboard: Razer Blackwidow ($70) I wouldn't get a mechanical keyboard at all myself, but I'm cheap like that. Even so, we're compromising, because I couldn't bring myself to pay $70 more for the back-lighting & 10-key addition of the Blackwidow Ultimate). Even if I did get a mechanical keyboard, it'd probably be some other one, but I don't feel like shopping forever and maybe there's something about Razer/Blackwidow you really like. http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57406&vpn=NAOS3200&manufacture=MionixCheap Speakers: $15 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1NV0RS4183Not just speakers, but also an FM radio! BUT WAIT, THERE"S MORE!!!!!11one!! Not only is this radio capable of playing computer beeps, but it can also heat your aromatherapy oil! (I am not kidding.) If that's not enough, this handy-dandy do it all device will function as a night light, with your choice of colors! It beeps, it scares away scawwy night monsters, it heals your chi, what can't this magic device do? Sound quality not guaranteed. Supporting Components: $490 (case, storage, power supply, optical drive, RAM) + Show Spoiler +Core Components (and sound card): $738 (CPU, CPU-cooler, mobo, video card, sound card) + Show Spoiler +Total: $1618, giving you plenty of room for the odd upgrade/part disagreement with me, a secondary non-gaming monitor, a better desk chair (search TL for "chair thread" to get to SkyR's OTHER Tech Support masterpiece), good headphones, whatever. The case is actually a ATX Mid Tower Case. Check for yourself. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352031http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352031 I have Steelseries Siberia V2 headphones. So I won't need speakers but I might check out sound card you listed. The monitor you listed is WAY too big for me and I have never heard of that brand name before. I have never had the best experience with AMD graphics cards and I have never had any problems with Nvidia. As for the cpu part, I really haven't made up my mind yet on the cpu and I do have a laptop that I can do all of my video editing on which has an I7 in it. And if I do go that route, I will go with 8GBs ram. I looked at the monitor that Myrmidon posted and I am going to spend a little more money on getting a better one. It's funny that you don't like windows 8 since it is faster than 7 especially with an SSD. Add the start8 from stardock and you have windows that everyone loved and know before 8 came out with the stupid ass layout. As for the keyboard and mouse...I will probably get a different keyboard but one with Cherry MX Blue in it and I really like the deathadder mouse(used it over at a friend's house)and I can get cheap it through him who works at bestbuy.
The monitor listed by Myrmidon is excellent, particularly if you don't want the large size of 27". It's also rather cheap for what it does, which is nice (but note promo code may expire today). If you're going with a 1920x1080 monitor, I would change my GPU recommendation to a 770 anyway. I have windows 8, and I disagree that it is easy to recreate the full interface experience of windows 7, but to each their own. If you've tried a deathadder and liked it, have fun. Note that there are various versions of deathadders over the years, so you might check exactly which one your friend has. It's a good mouse (just not the bestest).
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More data on ivy-e temps
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That's all stock i believe, but seems pretty accurate picture. Unlisted version of prime, probably avx1 (almost certainly) which is best comparison between architectures, u14s with two 140mm fans, 24c ambient
Pretty interesting. At first i was kinda shocked by people not reacting to the great temperatures with solder, but after thinking about it, i was wrong to expect that, the general mindset is being pissed off at intel for crazy temperatures on a new CPU when they release and being "meh" when they ship a CPU that's not on fire, and that's probably a better mindset than the one i had. It's still exciting, though, after the pretty catastrophic desktop releases.
There needs to be standards for temperature testing, especially between CPU's and with Haswell, because TDP is pretty randomly set on Haswell and you can go waaay way over what people would expect at stock settings in power usage. The basic idea right now - everybody overclocking is selectively ignoring the stuff that blows up power usage and temps, because you'd need water just to keep the chip running stock volts and clocks fine if you did that and it doesn't make sense
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I think people would be more excited by the temperature benefits if
a) the enthusiast community didn't already all have SB-E chips if they're into that many cores and thus would see little upgrade benefit
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b)IB-E wasn't so delayed that people are already looking forward to the next generation.
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It's not about IB-E though, it's about how well solder works vs glue+TIM on chips we've known to be hot. IB-E is boring as shit, ivy bridge being cooler than sandy without using a hammer or a razor blade is sweet stuff. Intel going back on their word and using solder is also sweet
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Intel can kiss their s2011 sales goodbye if they ever crawfish on the solder front :p
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If you don't mind saving the gift card for later, I'd say this MSI Twin Frozr IV model also at $400 (though price may run out soon, like in hours) is most likely better:
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=84358&promoid=1190
Zotac's cooler is nothing special; this round of MSI Nvidia Twin Frozr cards is maybe the best out of all the custom designs, if you care at all about some combination of temperatures and noise.
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Gj, really well done!!!
For those interested, integrated GPU of Sandy bridge I5-2470 (unsure of number) is not enough to run Rome Total War 2. It struggles ALOT with lowest settings (and that's with a resolution weaker than 1920x1080)
It may not come out as a surprise, but I just wanted to say it ^^. The integrated GPU is plenty enough to play decently games like League of Legends or even Starcraft 2
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i5-2400. I don't know where you think HD2000 graphics is good enough for SC2. Have you never had a discrete graphics card?
I've played SC2 on a Atom powered netbook (for the luls) and I got a solid 1 frame per 2 seconds.
Also how is Memory throughput calculated? GPU-Z says my 7850 has a throughput of 153.6GB/s while my calculation (effective clock*bit-width) has it at 122.88GB/s (GDDR5, 256-bit, 4800MHz effective). The reason why is jubil said he was getting a 7790 and I was comparing memory throughput of comparable cards as I'm guessing next gen games are going to need a lot more throughput.
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((256/8)*4800)/1000 = 153.6
You divide by 8 because the bus width is in bits, you want bytes.
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On September 05 2013 09:14 iTzSnypah wrote:
i5-2400. I don't know where you think HD2000 graphics is good enough for SC2. Have you never had a discrete graphics card?
I've played SC2 on a Atom powered netbook (for the luls) and I got a solid 1 frame per 2 seconds.
Also how is Memory throughput calculated? GPU-Z says my 7850 has a throughput of 153.6GB/s while my calculation (effective clock*bit-width) has it at 122.88GB/s (GDDR5, 256-bit, 4800MHz effective). The reason why is jubil said he was getting a 7790 and I was comparing memory throughput of comparable cards as I'm guessing next gen games are going to need a lot more throughput.
To clarify... I was speaking about my friend's computer. My friend is using the integrated GPU and was able to play SC2. You can argue all you want, but the facts remain ; his computed can run SC2 with low graphics. By decent, I don't mean perfectly, but it was playable. RTW2 isn't playable right now. So that's why I posted, in case someone was wondering if integrated GPU from I5-2xxx can run it or not.
I'm going to bring my old HD5770 to test it tomorrow and see if he can run RTW 2 with it. I'll write back how things go.
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