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I was wondering what sites are similar to NCIX/Newegg but for Germany and/or Europe. I just moved here and in the coming months, I would like to buy a beast computer. I don't like premade computer websites, but rather ones that either let you build the PC yourself or let you pick specific parts and, for a fee, will build it yourself.
I also haven't researched much about high-end PCs for 3-4 years (since my last PC) and wanted to know if there were any tips or advice I should be aware of.
My goal and price-range is aiming to play Battlefield 4 at extreme settings (I love good graphics!), I was considering of having it be able to stream as well, but to be honest; I don't really care or think it'll be too expensive anyways.
- How much would a PC cost here with the specs/interest below?
- Should I try to get Windows 7 on my PC or is Win8 actually better? (I prefer a desktop and not that app-like OS thing
- Is it worth getting two graphics card? I am not looking to do any liquid cooling or anything, just put 4-5 fans on it and keep it cool.
- NVIDIA or AMD?
That's all the questions I have so far, this is just a preliminary search and nothing serious yet, however I'd like to know my options/where to look.
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Windows 8 is better, you can just avoid the apps altogether.
SLI / Crossfire is worth it in some cases, maxing out AAA titles would be one of those cases.
Hardwareversand, Mindfactory, and Alternate are the ones that come to mind for Germany.
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Depends how high end you want to go for price, i'd probably go for unlocked haswell and a strong single GPU with the 7950/7970, 770/780 existing and the 9 series radeon cards coming soon bundled with bf4
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You're losing me mannn
Here is what my current rig has:
8 gigs of RAM
3.4 GHz - Phenom II x4 Black 965
ATI 5850 Radeon HD - 1 gig
23-inch ASUS Monitor - 1920x1080
4 Fans + Additional COOLERMASTER CPU Cooler
500 gigs HDD (could be more)
650W - Antec True Power
Comes with Wireless Adapter
Decent Speakers from Logitech
Mouse/Keyboard
Win7 64-bit
Definitely looking into getting two 23-inch monitors and I don't know what would the pros and cons of two graphic cards over one.
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Two GPUs means more power to drive higher resolutions and settings. Though you'll end up spending significantly more money and the setup will be noisier, hotter, and consume more power.
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it might be cheaper to just have the parts shipped from the US if you buy them all at once. The hardware prices in EU are way more expensive than in the US, and I highly doubt you'll ever find sales as good as newegg's. I actually just shipped my entire rig from New Jersey to Sweden with USPS (cost about $120). It arrived in 4 days and now it's working fine 
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On August 19 2013 07:12 Torte de Lini wrote:You're losing me mannn Here is what my current rig has: Show nested quote +8 gigs of RAM
3.4 GHz - Phenom II x4 Black 965
ATI 5850 Radeon HD - 1 gig
23-inch ASUS Monitor - 1920x1080
4 Fans + Additional COOLERMASTER CPU Cooler
500 gigs HDD (could be more)
650W - Antec True Power
Comes with Wireless Adapter
Decent Speakers from Logitech
Mouse/Keyboard
Win7 64-bit Definitely looking into getting two 23-inch monitors and I don't know what would the pros and cons of two graphic cards over one.
Are you planning to use an Eyefinity/Surround setup? I.e. gaming across two monitors?
Or are you planning on single gaming monitor + side monitor for browsing?
Your budget is going to increase substantially if you're talking about multi-monitor gaming resolutions :p
(E.g. dual 1080P's becomes 3840 x 1080; 4.14MPixels. This is roughly close to the 4.096MPixels found at 2560x1600, so if you want, you can quickly scan benchmarks that are run at that resolution, because that's what you will end up driving).
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single monitor for gaming
On August 19 2013 07:36 skyR wrote:
Two GPUs means more power to drive higher resolutions and settings. Though you'll end up spending significantly more money and the setup will be noisier, hotter, and consume more power.
ill pass then :D thanks for making it simple
On August 19 2013 08:26 Erik.TheRed wrote:it might be cheaper to just have the parts shipped from the US if you buy them all at once. The hardware prices in EU are way more expensive than in the US, and I highly doubt you'll ever find sales as good as newegg's. I actually just shipped my entire rig from New Jersey to Sweden with USPS (cost about $120). It arrived in 4 days and now it's working fine
for real? what about import tax and difference in socket voltages?
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My goto onlineshops are mindfactory.de and alternate.de when it comes to hardware. Alternate should have an English section while mindfactory is only available in German. I'd like to recommend geizhals.eu aswell for price comparison when buying single items.
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For an overview of competition if you want the best price for a single part:
http://geizhals.de
http://amazon.de
http://ebay.de
If you want to buy parts for a whole PC, look at these:
http://mindfactory.de
http://hardwareversand.de
http://alternate.de
These are just the first ones that come to mind. There are more shops for buying a whole PC, and if you research the prices for parts on geizhals.de, you'll stumble upon those in the search results.
It's probably best to buy everything at a single place as they are all in heavy competition and the shipping costs will make buying from multiple places lose against the shop with the best overall prices. If you just want to buy a single part, like another fan or something, amazon.de and ebay.de are the best as you'll find sellers with very low or no shipping costs there.
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On August 19 2013 08:55 Torte de Lini wrote:single monitor for gaming Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 07:36 skyR wrote:
Two GPUs means more power to drive higher resolutions and settings. Though you'll end up spending significantly more money and the setup will be noisier, hotter, and consume more power. ill pass then :D thanks for making it simple Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 08:26 Erik.TheRed wrote:it might be cheaper to just have the parts shipped from the US if you buy them all at once. The hardware prices in EU are way more expensive than in the US, and I highly doubt you'll ever find sales as good as newegg's. I actually just shipped my entire rig from New Jersey to Sweden with USPS (cost about $120). It arrived in 4 days and now it's working fine for real? what about import tax and difference in socket voltages?
most PSUs will work up to 240 volts so power conversion shouldn't be an issue. As for import taxes, I suppose it depends on your situation. I built my PC a year ago and on the customs form I wrote in "student supplies" for the merchandise type (where the other options are gift, merchandise, etc). Then when I went to pick up the package from a tobacco store in Stockholm they just asked me to show my passport and that was it. I suppose if the parts are new and you aren't claiming them as student supplies then there is a risk that they might charge you import tax, but you'll want to look into that before ordering.
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At mindfactory.de you can choose parts and have them build it / you can build it yourself. Prices are standard to cheap, their stock is huge and they deliver fast. Build 2 Pc's with them now and never really had a problem. But caution: The prices on mindfactory change on a daily basis. If you've got your build finished and possibly want to save a buck or two, watch the prices for a week and see how low it might go. My Pc was originally 900€, then the next day 970€. But the next day it went down to 870€. So quite the difference.
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Actually hourly basis, Xiron. It changes all the freaking time! I think they might have a nifty super advanced system where they buy stock from various suppliers and then put the lowest priced one they have onto their page. The software then changes their prices all the time after every single box of stuff gets sold off.
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Hey guys, any answers regarding the other questions?
As for the PC, would it be cheaper and better to buy within Germany or just use NCIX/Newegg and ship it?
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The other questions were already answered?
Nvidia versus AMD is based on price and preference.
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Oh right!
Sorry, I forgot!
So 1,000 euros about for a good PC (nearly top of the line)
I'm going with NVidia I think this time
Win8 is better
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the prices for hardware are about 10% higher in germany compared to the states.
on top of that you have thinking of taxes, shipping and in case of warranty issues again shipping costs,
so, no, its not worth it at all.
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I am thinking of just going with NCIX, have my PC build there and then have it shipped over here.
What do you guys think? So it'll be from Ontario to Berlin, Germany.
The only thing I would need to do is buy the proper outlet cord for my PC power.
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Seems a bit dodgy shipping across the world, Germany already has the best hardware prices in europe
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I tried to see how much you'd have to pay for customs.
It seems there's a 17.5% fee for a package with value of at most 700 €.
If it's more than 700 €, it gets complicated and I can't be arsed to look into how that works exactly. On the overview page for those regulations, there's 19% tax for imported goods mentioned, some customs fee depending on the value, and another weird tax also depending on the value. It'll fuck up the price of the PC.
I'm guessing you'd have to see how to get around paying any of that or it won't make sense to get it shipped to you from outside the EU.
I got this from here: http://www.zoll.de/DE/Privatpersonen/Post-Internet/Sendungen-aus-einem-Nicht-EU-Staat/Zoll-und-Steuern/Abgabenerhebung/abgabenerhebung_node.html
Clicking on "English" somewhere at the top, the English page you'll get to seems to be more about traveling and stuff.
Just for completeness sake, while looking around, some page mentioned how to travel with stuff in person. Taking something on a flight as luggage, if coming back home from abroad, you can import 430 € of stuff into Germany without paying anything. I have no idea if that's also the case if you aren't a resident in Germany.
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I'm currently in Berlin and I am a resident right now.
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If you order from the US/CAN you have to pay german taxes on the parts as well.
You can add another 20% + shipping if you order parts from the US. If the order is held back by custom authority you´ll have to pay a fee according to the value to get it back.
If you order stuff from outside the EU you have to announce it to german custom authorities.
So basicly order for 1000$ + 100$ shipping, german/eu customs is at least +200$.
Go buy from hardwareversand.de, or mindfactory. While food might be cheap in germany, everything else from clothes to Hardware is more expensive, becuase someone has to make the low us prices possible :D
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Food aint cheap here, it just feels cheap because of how small the portions are :x
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You can wait until EU and US have their taxfree buying pact fixed. But that would be at least another 10 years 
Buying from the US is not reallly an option, I looked it up, you can savely add 30% with all fees and taxes, and you have to announce the order to your "Zollamt" or get the package from there, paying cash.
Even if you fly back, buy a Laptop you may be asked to pay taxes at the airport custom authority in Berlin.
They actually check because Hardware/Clothing is reeeaaaally cheap in the US compared to EU.
(You pay the dollar prices in Euro and more)
Oh German customs is greedy :
you have to play
(order+shipment)*1.19 + Fees depending on shipment, so you pay 19% taxes on the shipping too.
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