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UPDATE: bought Razer Abyssus. Sensor amazing, grip amazing, but buttons too stiff. Might return. 
Hi,
After using a free mouse that came with a low end desktop that I bought 7+ years ago, I am finally thinking of getting a replacement. Being such a SC2 fan, this new mouse will of course, need to cater specifically to increasing the gg rate of my opponents. I've read the Ultimate Mouse Guide and there isn't much that seem to specifically relate to SC2, so I've decided to post my own thread.
After seeing all those products from Razer, Steelseries, etc. I haven't really found exactly what I was looking for, so I was hoping you guys can provide some suggestions.
What I am looking for:
Preferably, no side buttons. Every goddam gaming mouse just have to have those side buttons. When I play SC2, I hold my mouse with ONLY my fingers, at the exact position that those side buttons are. If I can't find one without them, I will probably end up disabling those buttons and fill them with glue so I don't end up pressing them
As little ergonomic shape as possible. A lot of razer's mice have those "curves" where the mice is slimmer in the middle. Again, since I use my fingers to grasp my mouse, I would prefer if the mouse is wider in the middle, otherwise I feel like I'm just grasping empty air.
Not sure if this is a noticeable factor: friction against the mousepad. Do all the high end mice glide smoothly across the mousepad? With my current shitty mouse, if I tried to move it across the mousepad with one finger I would have to use some force
Cord. Must have cord. =)
Anyways, that's pretty much what I am looking for. Although I do have a question regarding dpi of the mouse: If a mouse has super high dpi, it means it is more sensitive to smaller movements right? However, how would dpi relate to the speed of movements (eg. Moving the mouse rapidly across the screen)? Would higher dpi result in more accuracy for faster movements?
Since Starcraft is such a high apm game, and I myself have 250 apm (SC2 time) for terran, and 300+ for zerg, I feel like being able to make FAST motions is sometimes more important than making ACCURATE motions. So would dpi be as relevant when it comes to the speed of motions? (I guess you can just try to answer this: imagine a robot moves a low dpi mouse and a high dpi mouse in the shape of a star hundreds of times a second, would both mouse end up tracing perfect stars on the screen?)
Well, thanks for your time!
FROGSAREDOGS
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youve got the idea of dpi wrong. dpi is basically ''accurate sensitivity'' It honestly doesn't mean a whole lot as most top end players have their setting on <1800 dpi, and if you go higher your wrist will be hurt.
anyways, there isn't any upside to having a 8200 dpi mouse over a 1600 dpi mouse. read up more on dpi (dots per inch, sometimes called counts per inch) if you want a better explanation.
as far as mouses go, zowie mico and razer abyssus are both solid choices and cost efficient. if you like bigger mice, steelseries sensei is good too. a lot of people like Logitech mice such as the g9x, but i have no experiences with it so i will not speak for it.
i use a steelseries sensei[raw] rubberized edition right now and it does me fine. about the friction, that won't be a problem as long as you have a decent mousepad. hope i helped, top masters terran here if it means anything to you.
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If a mouse has super high dpi, it means it is more sensitive to smaller movements right? However, how would dpi relate to the speed of movements (eg. Moving the mouse rapidly across the screen)? Would higher dpi result in more accuracy for faster movements?
DPI is a measure of how many pixels your mouse cursor moves per inch of movement. If your screen resolution is 1920x1080 for example and you have a DPI of 1920, you will cross the width of the monitor, left to right, in one inch of mouse movement, assuming there is no positive/negative acceleration and the sensor is good. The most accurate you can be is pixel perfect, and with the right settings, all mice have this, higher DPI just allows you to cross the screen in less mouse movement while still being able to select individual pixels (if you multiply a low dpi by 2 for example, your mouse will skip over half of the pixels so you can't select them)
Most high end mice use teflon feet, so they will have a similar feel, depends on the mousemat though. Different mats perform better with different sensors, for optical you usually want black cloth and lazer, a plastic pad. There's not many good lazer mice though.
Most people use too high DPI. If you are used to a "lower" DPI (i would STRONGLY reccomend 600-1200dpi for sc2 on 1920x1080, without accel or multiplication) then your speed is not really limited at all; It's not like if you have 2000dpi, it's easier to touch the edge of the screen. You can basically just reach anywhere, almost instantly. It's a big misconception that lower dpi is "slower" mostly from people who are not used to it or using it properly, and if you want godlike mechanics, you should go straight go 600-1200dpi range. If you are used to 800 for example, you can snap anywhere on your screen and 1200 will seem unusably fast to you. I have some videos of using 720dpi on 1920x1200 for example if you want to see them, and there's at least a few other people great with mouse that can back up using these DPI ranges.
I guess you can just try to answer this: imagine a robot moves a low dpi mouse and a high dpi mouse in the shape of a star hundreds of times a second, would both mouse end up tracing perfect stars on the screen?
Yes but with half of the DPI, the star would be half as long, half as tall unless you gave it more movement.
About above reccomendations, avoid the sensei and g9x if you're looking for the best performance. I hear the Mico also has a jump bug (and its >800dpi was interpolated?) The g100s looks pretty good for you, wo1fwood posted a review of it here on TL.
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It's hard to know what mouse will suit you unless you try out different mice yourself (personally I've bought a few different mice to see what suits me best), but I can recommend the Zowie MiCO which was designed with the help of pro sc2 players from StarTale. It's small and lightweight, so good for controlling with just the fingers.
More dpi is not better. The MiCO has options for 400, 800 and 1600 dpi, but the 1600 option is not good for this mouse (has accuracy flaws). The majority of pro sc2 players use 800 dpi, 6/11 windows mouse speed, 51-54% sensitivity in sc2. Having a high dpi or sensitivity won't make you faster (common misconception) and it will be much harder to micro really well.
@Cyro my MiCO seems to run flawless at 800dpi, no jumps. I think it's a fairly high end sensor even if it's not the best available. Edit: apparently I'm wrong. Every MiCO has a jump bug.
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Have you looked at the Razer Abyssus. I use a Razer Lachesis because I have a claw grip and use side buttons in SC2 but I think the Abyssus has no side buttons and I have so far been happy with my Razer mouse (some people hate them though). You aren't going to find a "StarCraft II mouse" specifically and it is raw BS if companies claim they made an SC2 mouse. It really comes down to what you like the feel of though. SteelSeries also has mice without side buttons and no curves. I think the best one based on your specs would be the SteelSeries Kinzu I have heard complaints about acceleration on them (not sure if it is legit though). Many TL SC2 players use the Abyssus and many other pro gamers ( I don't have any examples though ) use SteelSeries mice so I wouldn't worry too much about the capabilities of these mice at a high level.
As far as DPI is concerned it is just a ploy companies use to sell mice. On lower end mice DPI may be sub par but if you get a good gaming mouse your accuracy and speed will be really good regardless of whether you mouse is 3200 DPI or 6400 DPI so don't fall into that trap.
Pics of Abyssus and Kinzu here ...
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uUpihX0.jpg) Kinzu ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tDVjqZo.png) Abyssus
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The mice i would recommend are Zowie MiCO and Razer Abyssus. Abyssus has a better sensor (higher tracking speed etc.) but MiCOs sensor is good with 400 or 800 dpi. 1600dpi on MiCO is "fake" and works pretty badly. Abyssus has a slider switch on the bottom of the mouse, which you can use to set the dpi to 450, 1800 or 3500. You can then use the drivers to set "sensitivity" lower, which makes the dpi actually smaller. The 1800 settings has the best performance, so i use that and then set the driver sensitivity to 4.5 which makes it 810dpi.
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Hey everyone, thanks for the replys.
It seems that dpi isn't that big of an issue. That's good to know. The abyssus and the kinzu seems like the best fit atm...
ALTHOUGH, I just saw the Razer Spectre and holy crap it has the exact shape that I am looking for lol
http://www.razerzone.com/ca-en/store/starcraft-ii-razer-spectre
Has anyone had experience with it? How is it quality wise?
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Laser, so a bad sensor. Abyssus has kinda the same shape, but way better sensor.
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Well, what you buy depends on if you're looking for something "ok" or if you want to put work into improving your mouse accuracy and speed, If you're just looking for a good shell - most stuff will work "ok", but the majority of mice (even "high end" ones) have problems that make them bad or really bad choices for somebody looking to become great with a mouse - and that's never a bad thing, you can never be "good enough" with interface devices.
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Do NOT get a Razer Spectre. I had one and the sensor is so bad I actually threw it in the trash (should have sold it in retrospect). Go for the Abyssus
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Are there still older firmware versions of the Abyssus floating around shops with the unfixable jitter issue? That was a lot of my reason for not buying one 1.5 years ago
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Not sure. My Abyssus is brand new and seems to run perfect. There's no jitter whatsoever. edit: yet again I have to correct myself sorry. After further testing, there does seem to be some jitter.
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On May 30 2013 18:54 Cyro wrote:
Are there still older firmware versions of the Abyssus floating around shops with the unfixable jitter issue? That was a lot of my reason for not buying one 1.5 years ago
Well the latest firmware is v2.45 i believe and i heard people not having any problems with mirror edition.
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Yea but you can't update it, back when i wanted to buy the newer firmwares had been out for a while, but there were still a lot of older firmwares going around and razer refused to even acknowledge the problem, you just had to kinda play lottery with them
don't want to derail thread though
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Dammit so Spectre is a no go... BTW has anyone seen/heard of/used this KTEC KTM-9500+ Plus "Progamer" Gaming Mouse?
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You probably, probably don't want one of those. Why are you looking at $100 mice?
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I find that standard mice from logitech or w/e you can buy for like 15 bucks at walmart are just as good as mice from razer, etc, unless you're after a very certain shape for your hand. Most of the high DPI stuff is not necessary at all (see korean gamers using $1 mice)
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A lot of cheap mice are trash, but a lot of expensive ones are bad too
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The Logitech G1 or G100s sound like they would fit the bill for you. I have the exact same preferences and I use a matte-finished G1. I wouldn't trade it for anything else. You can still get the glossy finished G1 for relatively cheap on eBay (though nowhere near the $18 I paid for mine a year or two back. The matte one is quite expensive now. I was lucky I got mine for $30. Now they're over $50). You should be able to find the G100s locally, depending where you are.
Edit: As others have said, try to keep DPI nice and low. High DPI just causes wrist issues and is in no way more accurate. I use 1000 DPI (that is the only setting my mouse has. It is literally perfect for me).
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