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So I'm pretty new to overclocking, but I really want to push my setup a little more than usual. However, I tried to use AMD's OverDrive program to automatcally overclock (since I'm pretty damn dumb and new) and it just makes my computer feel like a trotting horse (read: slow).
Is something wrong with this program or am I just dumb. There's a button inside my MoBo that has overclock written on it, but now I feel like I'm in a cartoon.
Any idea?
(I'll be right back, just gotta drop off my term paper)
Edit: so I guess AMD OverDrive sucks balls
Okay, well first off: how do I reverse what I did? Do I just restart my computer.
Secondly, I've wanted to overclock because my computer has been feeling sluggish and I'm feeling that I'm a bit behind towards what games generally ask for (I'm a bit of a graphics whore).
Here are my specs: Win7 64-bit
AMD Phenom II x4 964 3.4GHz (Quad-Core)
4gigs of Ram
ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
m4A87TD ASUS MoBo
I also am using something bigger to cool my CPU or something: Hper 212 Plus (Cooler Master)
My PSU is 650.
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Automatic and software OCs tend to suck for CPU. Better to do some basic research and just do it yourself for proper control.
Couple of important things: What's your CPU, motherboard, and CPU cooler?
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You're not dumb, just crazy overclocking without any idea of what you're doing.
First you should search for an overclock thread about your specific CPU, it will make things a lot easier and you can try to just copy working settings of another user that worked for him (may not work for you but it's a good thing to start off with) of course after you read a little bit especially about which setting does what.
OCing through software is "doing it by yourself" and it doesn't tend to "suck" for CPU. In fact it makes it a lot easier to stutter step your way upwards with the clock-speed until your load-test fails. And then, when you have found good and stable settings you apply them in the bios.
Really no point in explaining it any further here.
Check f.e. overclock.net and hardocp.com for the needed information (there's a good chance a overclocking thread on your CPU exists in which you will find all the intel you need) while trying to avoid the Guru3d forums and any German forums in general.
Make sure your motherboard has a good power-design and that your motherboard-chipset is a good one to overclock and that you have a proper aftermarket cooler so heat doesn't become an issue for any economical overclock (If you have a good air-cooler you won't run into heat-limitation unless you go for extreme OCs which tend to give you 100-200MHz more at the price of a lot higher voltage).
Have fun.
Edit: About the computer feeling slow. This is why you not only should check for stability but also for performance. When overclocking my i7 I had several settings that were stable in Intelburntest (or any Linpack based test in general) and Prime but gave me less performance or even a really throttled feeling. It can not only because by too low voltages but also by too high voltages.
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On March 23 2012 22:52 hokuspokus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
You're not dumb, just crazy overclocking without any idea of what you're doing.
First you should search for an overclock thread about your specific CPU, it will make things a lot easier and you can try to just copy working settings of another user that worked for him (may not work for you but it's a good thing to start off with) of course after you read a little bit especially about which setting does what.
OCing through software is "doing it by yourself" and it doesn't tend to "suck" for CPU. In fact it makes it a lot easier to stutter step your way upwards with the clock-speed until your load-test fails.
Really no point in explaining it any further here.
Check f.e. overclock.net and hardocp.com for the needed information (there's a good chance a overclocking thread on your CPU exists in which you will find all the intel you need) while trying to avoid the Guru3d forums and any German forums in general.
Make sure your motherboard has a good power-design and that your motherboard-chipset is a good one to overclock and that you have a proper aftermarket cooler so heat doesn't become an issue for any economical overclock (If you have a good air-cooler you won't run into heat-limitation unless you go for extreme OCs which tend to give you 100-200MHz more at the price of a lot higher voltage).
Have fun.
Mediocre advice. Check your motherboard manufacturers forums first, they'll frequently have safer information for learning from. Overclocking through dummy OCs tends to involve random-ass voltages, and software can have issues interacting well with the BIOS. It's better to do the early steps (the normal, basic, day-to-day overclocking) through your BIOS. Enthusiasts will use software tools to build on top of the day-to-day level stuff in BIOS, but for what you're talking, you want to do it properly.
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On March 23 2012 22:57 JingleHell wrote:
Check your motherboard manufacturers forums first
What in gods name? Worst advice unless you have a EVGA mainboard.
I'm sure you more or less know what you're doing but seeing your non existent cable management makes me rethink : D.
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On March 23 2012 23:01 hokuspokus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 22:57 JingleHell wrote:
Check your motherboard manufacturers forums first
What in gods name?
If you don't think it's a good idea to get information that's specific to the motherboard for a beginner, you really shouldn't be giving advice on this stuff. Allow me to show you an example.
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=235
Don't bother directing any more comments at me, as you're not worth more mod history, and you're clearly trying to flamebait me out of the discussion.
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Yeah, that's why I said ONLY if it's an EVGA because they have good forums.
Let's not make it a nerd battle, but your chaotic undersupplied (650w corsair for 2 gtx 480, while it does match the energy requirements barely, your PSU runs almost capped under full load) low-OCed system really isn't a good testimonial of your PC-knowledge.
Giving the PSU headroom is not inefficient, in fact it is MORE efficient because the maximum efficiency of your PSU is probably at 50-60% load so the only thing you do is to risk that your PSU will die earlier and run at less efficiency than if you had used a 750w PSU (saving energy..).
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On March 23 2012 23:10 hokuspokus wrote:
Yeah, that's why I said ONLY if it's an EVGA because they have good forums.
Let's not make it a nerd battle, but your chaotic undersupplied (650w corsair for 2 gtx 480, while it does match the energy requirements barely, your PSU runs almost capped under full load) low-OCed system really isn't a good testimonial of your PC-knowledge.
Giving the PSU headroom is not inefficient, in fact it is MORE efficient because the maximum efficiency of your PSU is probably at 50-60% load so the only thing you do is to risk that your PSU will die earlier and run at less efficiency than if you had used a 750w PSU (saving energy..).
This discussion has nothing to do with Jinglehell's computer, nor has it anything to do with optimal loading values for various powersupplies.
If you want to discuss the OP then do so, but there is no reason to demean a rather well known tech support poster or his equipment.
And using the bios to manually set voltage and multipliers/baseclock is the way to overclock efficiently and effectively, not some pathetic automatic software.
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Holy shit, a lot of discussion!
Can you overclock a GPU? In my mind, I say yes, but now I'm not so sure.
Let me get you guys all the relevant information needed!
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On March 23 2012 22:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
[overclocking] [since I'm pretty...new]
Overclocking requires knowledge. Without it you can reduce your system stability which in turn can lead to data loss and other more severe problems.
I suggest that you either avoid overclocking or read a couple guides about it before attempting anything.
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On March 23 2012 23:36 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 23:10 hokuspokus wrote:
Yeah, that's why I said ONLY if it's an EVGA because they have good forums.
Let's not make it a nerd battle, but your chaotic undersupplied (650w corsair for 2 gtx 480, while it does match the energy requirements barely, your PSU runs almost capped under full load) low-OCed system really isn't a good testimonial of your PC-knowledge.
Giving the PSU headroom is not inefficient, in fact it is MORE efficient because the maximum efficiency of your PSU is probably at 50-60% load so the only thing you do is to risk that your PSU will die earlier and run at less efficiency than if you had used a 750w PSU (saving energy..). This discussion has nothing to do with Jinglehell's computer, nor has it anything to do with optimal loading values for various powersupplies. If you want to discuss the OP then do so, but there is no reason to demean a rather well known tech support poster or his equipment. And using the bios to manually set voltage and multipliers/baseclock is the way to overclock efficiently and effectively, not some pathetic automatic software.
Seeing as my post is the most helpful and substantiated so far, I was reacting to his bash post calling my advice mediocre and adding nothing but "look at your mainboard manufacturers forums". You can do that, but good luck finding helpful advice in the Msi, Asus, Gigabyte, etc. forums.
I recommended him other, overclock-focused forums where you not only have a user-core that knows a lot more about overclocking than people in the tech-support forum of a Starcraft community, but also a high chance of having a topic on his specific CPU with a lot of user-experience to profit off of and probably many people with even the same mainboard as he has.
In the meantime what did you do besides your bashpost?
Edit:
GPU-Overclocking is very easy and will be done through software like MSI-Afterburner/EVGA-precision (they're basically the same) while everything you have to do is slide the bars for Core and Ram up (many people tend to go easy on the ram as it is badly cooled in most cases and doesn't have any temp-sensors). I wouldn't recommend it though until you have gathered some experience with your CPU because:
1. Without overvolting your GPU (depending on which one you have) you won't notice much of a performance difference in most cases and seeing that you have a unoverclocked AMD CPU you will be limited by it anyway in SC2 so no need for overclocking your graphics card.
2. You will always have to watch your GPU-temps in gaming as it makes it a lot easier for your GPU to overheat especially with your graphics card "dusting up" over time.
2. GPU-overclocking requires
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Okay, well first off: how do I reverse what I did? Do I just restart my computer.
Secondly, I've wanted to overclock because my computer has been feeling sluggish and I'm feeling that I'm a bit behind towards what games generally ask for (I'm a bit of a graphics whore).
Here are my specs: Win7 64-bit
AMD Phenom II x4 964 3.4GHz (Quad-Core)
4gigs of Ram
ATI Radeon HD 5850 Series (XFX)
m4A87TD ASUS MoBo
I also am using something bigger to cool my CPU or something: Hper 212 Plus (Cooler Master)
My PSU is 650.
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As you have overclocked through Overdrive (besides fiddling around with it for a short time with a Phenom X4965BE rig that I built for a friend a long while ago and reading some guides I haven't had any more experience with it) none of the settings you changed were set in the Bios.
Just open Overdrive again and click "Discard".
Your CPU won't be as easy to overclock as a 2500k or 2600k, any retard can get those to 4.5GHz easily. Your Phenom (if it is a Black Edition and has the newer C3 stepping - download CPU-Z to check that) will be capped at 3.8-4GHz so maybe all the hassle isn't really worth it.
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Thanks! Will do!
My computer is still a big sluggish though, I think I might need to reformat ): It's been two years. The problem is, is that I have a ton of files on here that I want to keep (Steam Game files, I just dont have the bandwidth to redownload them all). My external harddrive is full, but I have a laptop available to transfer.
So if you don't mind me asking, how do I connect my Laptop to my PC so I can just transfer a buttload of files.
and then maybe after a fresh reformat, I can try overclocking?
I also have 4 fans in addition to the cpu cooler
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Do it per LAN or WLAN, it's at least faster than USB 2.0, otherwise go for USB. It's probably still going to take a few hours.
I've found a neat beginners guide to AMD overclocking on overclock.net made at a time where your CPU was up to date, you may want to read that first and then you can make use of the overclocking threads in the oc.net or other forums.
Going into those threads without basic understanding will probably only lead to confusion and more and more questions will pop up for you.
http://www.overclock.net/t/902756/amd-overclock-guide-for-newbs
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Okay!
How do I enable this LAN or something between my two computers? Is it through an ethernet cable?
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On March 23 2012 23:40 Torte de Lini wrote:
Holy shit, a lot of discussion!
Can you overclock a GPU? In my mind, I say yes, but now I'm not so sure.
Let me get you guys all the relevant information needed!
Just picking up on this question as it wasn't answered. Yes, you can overclock a GPU. In contrast to CPU-overclocking, the GPU overclocks typically *do* use software such as AMD Overdrive (for AMD GPUs obviously) to overclock. Options for overclocking a GPU are generally more limited, there's often less room for improvement and you typically don't have access to things like voltage control. In addition, upgrading the cooling on your CPU is a simple matter and hundreds of coolers of various models are readily available. Upgrading cooling on a GPU, while possible, is something that's more tricky.
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On March 24 2012 00:15 Torte de Lini wrote:
Okay!
How do I enable this LAN or something between my two computers? Is it through an ethernet cable?
Do you have a router in your network? In other words, do several (2 or more) machines make use of the same internet connection? If so, you're already in a LAN (= Local Area Network), and all you need to do is share the relevant folders (there's a wizard for this in Windows).
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On March 24 2012 00:22 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:15 Torte de Lini wrote:
Okay!
How do I enable this LAN or something between my two computers? Is it through an ethernet cable? Do you have a router in your network? In other words, do several (2 or more) machines make use of the same internet connection? If so, you're already in a LAN (= Local Area Network), and all you need to do is share the relevant folders (there's a wizard for this in Windows).
Yes, we're on the same router. I'm connected via ethernet, the laptop is wireless.
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low-OCed system really isn't a good testimonial of your PC-knowledge.. Why would even say that? Some chips simply do not OC as well as others (he might have been unlucky, lazy, whatever). You can have 2x 2500K's and the other may go way higher than the other with reasonable voltage.
I had C3 965BE chip and I (and my friend who's even more experienced in OC'ing) got stuck at 3,7GHz (300MHz increase  ) no matter what we did (with different setups), it wasn't stable above that. It is an performance upgrade regardless, even if not huge at that. OPs cooler can easily run 965 at 3,7GHz with minimal voltage increase. Probably extra voltage ain't needed at all.
My x6 chip is a bit better OC'er ( http://i4.aijaa.com/b/00797/9843741.jpg stable, 2.8GHz stock clocks). Will need to get better cooler tho if I want to push it higher though.. Granted X6 tend's to be better OC'er than X4 CPUs.
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On March 23 2012 22:36 JingleHell wrote:
Automatic and software OCs tend to suck for CPU. Better to do some basic research and just do it yourself for proper control.
Couple of important things: What's your CPU, motherboard, and CPU cooler?
He is overclocking gpu...
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Overclocking your CPU:
The newer Phenoms with C3 stepping can be OC'd with the multiplier to around 300-400MHz (depends on the cpu), everything above wont be stable for a long time. Normally you will higher the CPU voltage to gain stability again, but the big problem is, that those Phenoms are pretty sensitive to higher Voltages and will easily lose stability again. So the Overclocking potential isnt anywhere near the classic Intel CPUs.
You can adjust everything in your BIOS and if the CPU fails to boot, clear BIOS with removing the battery.
Overclocking your GPU:
Use MSI Afterburner and google ppl's experience with that graficcard
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On March 24 2012 19:13 ErikPel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 22:36 JingleHell wrote:
Automatic and software OCs tend to suck for CPU. Better to do some basic research and just do it yourself for proper control.
Couple of important things: What's your CPU, motherboard, and CPU cooler? He is overclocking gpu...
Is something wrong with this program or am I just dumb. There's a button inside my MoBo that has overclock written on it, but now I feel like I'm in a cartoon.
This implies an interest in CPU overclocking.
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On March 24 2012 22:45 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 19:13 ErikPel wrote:On March 23 2012 22:36 JingleHell wrote:
Automatic and software OCs tend to suck for CPU. Better to do some basic research and just do it yourself for proper control.
Couple of important things: What's your CPU, motherboard, and CPU cooler? He is overclocking gpu... Show nested quote +Is something wrong with this program or am I just dumb. There's a button inside my MoBo that has overclock written on it, but now I feel like I'm in a cartoon. This implies an interest in CPU overclocking. Not to mention that with that GPU he would gain more fro CPU OC anyway. SC2 is CPU intensive.
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On March 24 2012 23:17 Thezftw wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 22:45 JingleHell wrote:On March 24 2012 19:13 ErikPel wrote:On March 23 2012 22:36 JingleHell wrote:
Automatic and software OCs tend to suck for CPU. Better to do some basic research and just do it yourself for proper control.
Couple of important things: What's your CPU, motherboard, and CPU cooler? He is overclocking gpu... Is something wrong with this program or am I just dumb. There's a button inside my MoBo that has overclock written on it, but now I feel like I'm in a cartoon. This implies an interest in CPU overclocking. Not to mention that with that GPU he would gain more fro CPU OC anyway. SC2 is CPU intensive.
May call it CPU intensive, may call it one of the worst engines of modern gaming. I prefer the latter.
SC2 engine isn't even able to use 2 cores to full potential. It's very... single core intensive, lol.
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