Then some of the latency won't work on desktop, or at least it can't be "as good" as potential. Windows 7 with classic theme is blind testably lower latency than aero theme, but sadly you can't disable it on w8.
60-144 gap in smoothness is as big as 25 to 60, while in latency it removes almost 10 milliseconds of max latency (1000/60 = 16.667, 1000/144 = 6.944)
to add 10ms of latency from screen refresh, you'd have to be at ~37.5hz instead of 60hz, but if you look at it as a percentage of latency instead of an absolute number, it'd show as a bigger effect.
Double check that you're playing the games in fullscreen and not windowed fullscreen, remove FPS limits and then as a final resort try setting your screen to 60hz and see if you immediately get the impulse to rip your eyes out of their sockets. I can't really diagnose further, you could have some issue but it's also understandable if you don't, and you're just not very sensitive to smoothness or latency. That is extremely subjective, one or both or them are almost irrelevant to some people (some console players, for example) while it means the world to others
Well the one last thing I have to exhaust is that the CD that came with the monitor doesn't allow me to install the Nvidia drivers since they aren't "compatible". Although when I check Nvidia Geforce Experience my driver is a more recent version (340.52 vs the 331.82 that came with the CD).
I'll have to keep it until Monday before I can return it, so I'm hoping there's some small detail I may have missed that's not making it work. I'm going to ask my roommates later to see if they can tell the difference either. Just sucks if I have to return it though since I'll have to pay the return shipping and restock fee, but I guess it's better than not having tried it at all.
I did that but I didn't notice a difference in-game.
What I did find weird this morning though was when I set up my 60 hz next to my 144 hz monitor, I could tell the difference when using testufo.com. I could distinctly tell the 60 hz was blurring or trailing behind in its image and the 144 hz was pretty smooth (in addition to the fact that testufo recognizes which monitor I'm using, but even if I didn't see the numbers I could blindtest which was which).
It does make me wonder if that CD was crucial or not (I don't believe it is since I'd be downgrading in versions) or if my settings in-game are wrong somehow because if I can tell the difference from the example aforementioned I should be able to see it in-game...I'll take a screenshot of my settings later when I get back from work and edit this post to have someone double-check it (wouldn't be the first time I missed something dumb).
I guess worst case scenario I return it and pick up a Dell P2314H or U2414H for a pretty cheap price at my uni's tech store down the street.
Try some games with more drastic, faster movement. I'd have not really recommended or said high refresh was as important for a MOBA. A little lower latency does help and especially for mousing, but there's diminishing returns on higher refresh rates for motion perception, especially if the motion is not that fast.
The synthetic kind of examples in testufo are about the ceiling of how much the refresh rate can matter for motion. If your usage doesn't approach that, then you don't need the best motion performance for a good experience.
That actually makes a lot of sense when you explain it like that.
Edit: Though when I watch Nightblue3's stream (LoL streamer) his gameplay looks really smooth compared to mines. I'm guessing this is what Cyro sees on 144 hz? Unless his stream settings are just different than most other streamers (though he doesn't look like he's playing at 60 in my eyes).
Sorry if this is annoying for you guys (especially you Cyro haha), I just want to make sure that I didn't fuck up somewhere along the process because it seems like my eyes can tell the difference but it's just not showing in my games for some reason.
Second Edit: This is what I have for LoL settings. Replace windowed mode with Full Screen and the resolution to 1920x1080 (had to go to windowed to take a screen shot).
Edit: Though when I watch Nightblue3's stream (LoL streamer) his gameplay looks really smooth compared to mines. I'm guessing this is what Cyro sees on 144 hz?
No, my game is waaaaaaaaaaay smoother than that. LoL is a perfect case for ease of benefitting from 144hz because it has consistent frametimes and you can walk into lane with 500fps on an overclocked 2nd-4'th gen core CPU.
It doesn't show the most benefit with camera not moving, but i'd have no trouble calling out if i was at 100hz or 144hz by moving the camera for a second or two.
probably the best case for high refresh rate and also strobe backlight that i saw was NATURAL SELECTION 2, it's an FPS game with RTS elements and one faction has several units which you have to play in first person with extremely fast movement and constant camera turning
I only have one short vid of it atm with bad quality and i have not played for ages, but it's really cool. If you have not set up lightboost hack w/ toastyx strobelight and properly compared stuff with testufo working, you should probably do that~
On September 07 2014 04:12 Sovano wrote: Ya idk then lol...I guess I give up. Thanks for trying to help.
Though when I watch Nightblue3's stream (LoL streamer) his gameplay looks really smooth compared to mines
this is my main concern, because while viewing a stream can in some circumstances make a game like smoother for the viewer than for the person playing i think - that should never happen when you're playing at 300fps on a 144hz screen and the guy is only streaming 60.
Not annoying at all, i'm still stuck between if you have a big issue with hardware/software or if you just don't really feel smoothness/latency that much, because it could be either
If you want, i could go make some 120fps vs 60fps video and send it to you, that wouldn't be a problem. Not quite 144 because OBS has some artificial limitation here, but 30 vs 60 vs 120 is extremely obvious to me
Sure if you think that'd help illustrate your point you can PM me them.
Edit: Didn't see the edit to your previous post. I didn't set up LB yet since I wasn't really noticing motion blur, but I can do that once I figure out how to.
I didn't set up LB yet since I wasn't really noticing motion blur
Removing around 11/12'ths of the motion blur from 60hz vs strobed lighboost @10% 120hz is a little noticable. Unless you regularly use a CRT, you probably have no idea what you're missing there
Motion blur is terribly obvious when playing FPS, on CS:GO when I'm spraying I basically can't see anything because the screen shaking from the shooting just blurs everything. It's also really blurry when peeking corners quickly... You should definitely see a difference on any fps if you're moving the mouse quickly
any particular go-to brand for cheap entry level stuff? my ~7yo lcd's taking its time to power on at boot and making scratchy/clicky noises while doing so which coincide with the monitor's power light flickering, which makes me think that failure's fairly imminent - am looking at this:
which looks to have the same amount of real estate/resolution combination i have at present, i'm only using dvi anyway and don't do any intensive gaming so don't really care about crazy response times. any reason to go for anything pricier? could probably go up to £100 or so as i'm on a budget but don't really want to if i'm not going to notice any outstanding differences/get hugely increased reliability. thanks for input!
Dark transitions are noticeably slow and streaky on a VA for most people (depending on the exact panel and overdrive and so on, but think 30+ ms for some transitions but probably closer to 10 ms generally), no matter what the "6 ms" or whatever says, definitely worse than IPS and co. techs, never mind cheap TN. However, you do get great blacks and decent viewing angles.
It's hard to say if it'd bother you or not, especially when there are no reviews on stuff in this range to determine the kind of overdrive used.
IPS options are available in your budget, but the BenQ is probably fine. It's even flicker-free (no PWM backlighting) to boot. I'd say to get it and report back how it goes.
I have the BenQ GW2255, which I'm fairly confident is using the exact same VA panel as that VW2245Z (manufacturers love using different model names for different market regions....). I doubt AUO or whoever has two separate 21.5" VA panels in production....
The image quality is fantastic (measured with i1 Display pro) and the dark transitions are certainly noticeable. I don't mind because I don't game as much anymore, and the overdrive otherwise does its job decently (in 'High' mode; 'Premium' is useless, it overshoots like crazy). And the trade-off for the image quality is worth it to me. Overall I'd judge the motion clarity to be very acceptable and not distracting for the majority of content. YMMV. EDIT #2: And I'd imagine it would still be at least as fast as a 7yr old TN, right? Someone with more years of experience in monitors can comment.
3655:1 Contrast (!!!!!) - most IPS and TN still hover around ~1000:1 This is all with no ICC calibration, just when set to Standard mode with Gamma mode 1 in the menu: Looks like it was well calibrated to 2.2 gamma (it tracks closer to 2.1 which is fine for VA) and 6500K color temp (perfect tracking there) Grayscale accuracy is very high, 0.52 average Primary & secondary Colors deltaE 3.67 [CIE2000] (only the Blue primary is at 5.4; rest of saturations are mostly under 4 and it's not really noticeable to me next to a calibrated IPS) HCFR Color Checker GCD dE 2.01
If you're not familiar with hundreds of monitor reviews, this is superb performance for any consumer monitor, especially at this dirt cheap price point.
Dell P2314H (1080p 23" AH-IPS, VESA mount, height / swivel / tilt / rotate stand, no PWM, little-to-no reverse ghosting, low response times for IPS, very low input tlag) for $155 after promo code:
Does anyone know any decent monitor stand options? Must have height adjustment. Standard 100mm VESA. Not a desk mount/arm.
So far, best I can seem to find are: - 3M Easy-Adjust Monitor Stand (MS110MB) (and some identical-looking potential rebrands) - MonMount (and a similar-looking monoprice which apparently requires loosening and re-tightening screws to make adjustments, no thanks)
... and not much else. Tried checking monoprice and other searches but coming up short on options. Ideally I'd prefer one of the Dell, BenQ, or Asus stands or something similar. I find the 2 above ugly.
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